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Topic: Why not sex on the first date?
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Mon 01/21/13 05:40 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 01/21/13 05:49 PM
Okay getting back to the Original post:

Texas:

I've read in this forum a number of times that women decide whether or not they want to have sex with a man within only a few seconds. If this is true, why would you want to put it off? Are you afraid he'll think poorly of you if you have sex too soon? That he won't respect you? Or is it some kind of power play/head game?


The first sentence is true!! Get that strait please. But it does not mean that just because she "wants" to have sex with a man, or thinks she might say yes, eventually, that anything has actually been DECIDED where it concerns her actions.

YOU SAID TO ME:

So, what you're actually saying is she's still undecided.


I said exactly what I mean and then you reword it into something else which is NOT what I said.

Yes, she HAS DECIDED that she might say yes. She has decided that she is attracted to the man and wants to (might) have sex with him. This does NOT mean that she has DECIDED to do it. Got it?

Now, between that first meeting, and until such time she does say "yes" to sex, the man can and often says or does something that totally screws up his chances. She changes her mind from "maybe yes" to "probably not."

A woman does NOT usually make the decision to have sex with a man in the first few moments of meeting him then follow through with it.

What happens is she simply knows, within a few minutes, whether or not she MIGHT say yes, or whether or not she would never say yes.

Therefore a woman knows. It is either "maybe" or "hell no." within the first few minutes.




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Mon 01/21/13 05:48 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 01/21/13 05:53 PM
Well, it's my view that we do not have free will. We act on instincts. However, like Newton's laws of gravity, the free will hypothesis will get you by most of the time.

What I understand is that when people decide to do something, they do everything they can to do it. If a woman is looking for reasons NOT to have sex, she's undecided about it. If she was sure, she'd look for reason to do it.


What I believe is that a person's "free will" (or will) is used in direct proportion to their consciousness.... which is relative. Human consciousness lies somewhere between an amoeba and the universal mind, or god consciousness. The "will" exists. Whether or not it is "free" depends on consciousness.

As for "deciding to do something" you are right. The decision precedes the act of doing it.

Where a woman and sex is concerned, you have two chances. They are "maybe" or "no way in hell." She knows which one you are dealing with, --->you don't.






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Mon 01/21/13 06:36 PM
Sure a woman will decide ...but that doesn't mean she won't change her mind...
She thinks...Hell No. Then the guy is nice and smart .... Ok maybe
She thinks..oh yea lets go...then he opens his mouth and JERK....HELL NO
She thinks...Oh God if this guy so much as touches me I'm gonna be straddling him in the back seat of his car devil ...

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Mon 01/21/13 06:40 PM
Good question!

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Mon 01/21/13 07:14 PM

Sure a woman will decide ...but that doesn't mean she won't change her mind...
She thinks...Hell No. Then the guy is nice and smart .... Ok maybe
She thinks..oh yea lets go...then he opens his mouth and JERK....HELL NO
She thinks...Oh God if this guy so much as touches me I'm gonna be straddling him in the back seat of his car devil ...



laugh laugh laugh

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Tue 01/22/13 04:08 AM
Well, the hypothesis is that first-order desires are like instincts and that it is having desires about our desires and not just acting wantonly where there is mere freedom of action that seperates us from other animals. It has been argued that reason is the source of motivation that makes us "free" and that what are important are values rather than desires but it seems that values may only be desires.

Be that as it may, it seems to be a rational process and we do identify with certain values or goals that shape our lives. Now, when values or volitions are formed and when they are translated into action seem to be seperate events or can be seperate events at least, so there is the question as to whether there is a "higher rational self" or if this is just a fiction. Either way, we clearly do have desires that we seem to identify with and want to act upon even though we do not always just act upon them. Take a woman that does meet somebody that she decides that she wants to have sex with. You might say that she is unsure if she does not just do it but she might be sure in the sense that it is something that she feels that she really wants to do it but fear for instance might be preventing her.

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Tue 01/22/13 08:35 AM

Okay getting back to the Original post:

Texas:

I've read in this forum a number of times that women decide whether or not they want to have sex with a man within only a few seconds. If this is true, why would you want to put it off? Are you afraid he'll think poorly of you if you have sex too soon? That he won't respect you? Or is it some kind of power play/head game?


The first sentence is true!! Get that strait please. But it does not mean that just because she "wants" to have sex with a man, or thinks she might say yes, eventually, that anything has actually been DECIDED where it concerns her actions.

YOU SAID TO ME:

So, what you're actually saying is she's still undecided.


I said exactly what I mean and then you reword it into something else which is NOT what I said.

Yes, she HAS DECIDED that she might say yes. She has decided that she is attracted to the man and wants to (might) have sex with him. This does NOT mean that she has DECIDED to do it. Got it?

Now, between that first meeting, and until such time she does say "yes" to sex, the man can and often says or does something that totally screws up his chances. She changes her mind from "maybe yes" to "probably not."

A woman does NOT usually make the decision to have sex with a man in the first few moments of meeting him then follow through with it.

What happens is she simply knows, within a few minutes, whether or not she MIGHT say yes, or whether or not she would never say yes.

Therefore a woman knows. It is either "maybe" or "hell no." within the first few minutes.


So, she's decided to think about it some more. She's "decided she may have sex." A definite possibility of a firm maybe.

All this is just a bunch of words that come down to she hasn't decided yet. Which is fine. There are a lot of things to think about and she should take her time about it.

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Tue 01/22/13 12:29 PM
The more time you give a woman the more of a chance she will change her mind!

:banana:

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Tue 01/22/13 04:09 PM

The more time you give a woman the more of a chance she will change her mind!

:banana:


Some Women not all.laugh

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Tue 01/22/13 04:10 PM

Sure a woman will decide ...but that doesn't mean she won't change her mind...
She thinks...Hell No. Then the guy is nice and smart .... Ok maybe
She thinks..oh yea lets go...then he opens his mouth and JERK....HELL NO
She thinks...Oh God if this guy so much as touches me I'm gonna be straddling him in the back seat of his car devil ...



laugh rofl laugh

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Tue 01/22/13 08:24 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 01/22/13 08:32 PM


Okay getting back to the Original post:

Texas:

I've read in this forum a number of times that women decide whether or not they want to have sex with a man within only a few seconds. If this is true, why would you want to put it off? Are you afraid he'll think poorly of you if you have sex too soon? That he won't respect you? Or is it some kind of power play/head game?


The first sentence is true!! Get that strait please. But it does not mean that just because she "wants" to have sex with a man, or thinks she might say yes, eventually, that anything has actually been DECIDED where it concerns her actions.

YOU SAID TO ME:

So, what you're actually saying is she's still undecided.


I said exactly what I mean and then you reword it into something else which is NOT what I said.

Yes, she HAS DECIDED that she might say yes. She has decided that she is attracted to the man and wants to (might) have sex with him. This does NOT mean that she has DECIDED to do it. Got it?

Now, between that first meeting, and until such time she does say "yes" to sex, the man can and often says or does something that totally screws up his chances. She changes her mind from "maybe yes" to "probably not."

A woman does NOT usually make the decision to have sex with a man in the first few moments of meeting him then follow through with it.

What happens is she simply knows, within a few minutes, whether or not she MIGHT say yes, or whether or not she would never say yes.

Therefore a woman knows. It is either "maybe" or "hell no." within the first few minutes.


So, she's decided to think about it some more. She's "decided she may have sex." A definite possibility of a firm maybe.

All this is just a bunch of words that come down to she hasn't decided yet. Which is fine. There are a lot of things to think about and she should take her time about it.


You are either extremely dense or you just don't comprehend the subject you are attempting to discuss... which is about what a woman knows within only a few minutes of meeting a man.

Since you don't read or comprehend my answers, I am going to give up trying to explain it because you think you already have it figured out in your mind.

I have answered your questions as plainly and honestly as possible. You are not hearing it.

I say exactly what I mean and it is not just a "bunch of words" that mean she has not decided yet. Besides I never said she has "decided" to actually have sex within a few minutes. The statement was that she knows if she wants to have sex within a few minutes. How plain is that?

A "desire" to have sex is certainly not always followed by the "decision" to have sex.








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Tue 01/22/13 08:32 PM
Maybe she didn't shave her legs whoa

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Tue 01/22/13 08:40 PM
I don't honestly think it's gonna make much difference, if I even bother to explain. spock

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Tue 01/22/13 08:44 PM

Maybe she didn't shave her legs whoa



Or some other reason she is not ready.
A woman may meet a man at the P.T.A. meeting or in the super market... and of course she isn't going to jump his bones right there.

But even on that first brief meeting, it only takes a few minutes for the chemistry to kick in....and the woman knows and feels it. Often they will both feel it, but men tend to feel it with a lot of women so they sometimes confuse real chemistry with a rampant sex drive for anything wearing a skirt.










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Tue 01/22/13 09:46 PM
Why not sex on the first date?
because i need to make sure you're worthy of me. This is a female instinct.

Do we decide we would have sex with you within seconds?
Yes... its merely identifying there is a sexual attraction. It by no means says its time to have sex.

Really, pretty basic stuff. Lol

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Tue 01/22/13 11:38 PM
Tex assumes that women think like men do. She decided that she wants to have sex. She's up for it. She changes her mind. WTF? She didn't really want to have sex after all. She hadn't really made up her mind and it was only a maybe.

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Wed 01/23/13 08:25 AM


Why not sex on a first date? Is it some kind of power game? R u serious dude? I think a woman would be able to know if she would EVENTUALY sleep with a guy she likes. You have to keep a man on his toes, it is trashy, & slutty to give it up on a first date even a 2nd & 3rd date, Not my goodies anytime soon, if he cant respect that than buh-bye someone else will. Its Called RESPECT. Respect is something a lot of people are lacking these days.


So, if the woman holds out until the fourth date, she's not trashy and slutty?
nope

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Wed 01/23/13 10:05 AM
I prefer to have sex before the first date.

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Wed 01/23/13 10:14 AM

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Wed 01/23/13 03:24 PM

You are either extremely dense or you just don't comprehend the subject you are attempting to discuss... which is about what a woman knows within only a few minutes of meeting a man.

Since you don't read or comprehend my answers, I am going to give up trying to explain it because you think you already have it figured out in your mind.

I have answered your questions as plainly and honestly as possible. You are not hearing it.

I say exactly what I mean and it is not just a "bunch of words" that mean she has not decided yet. Besides I never said she has "decided" to actually have sex within a few minutes. The statement was that she knows if she wants to have sex within a few minutes. How plain is that?

A "desire" to have sex is certainly not always followed by the "decision" to have sex.


But, the question was never about desires. It was about actual sex.

You're telling me she decides in a few seconds, but may change her mind later. I'm saying if she's changing her mind, it wasn't made up yet. If there's one thing I know 100% sure about women, it's that once her mind is made up, it ain't changing.

She sees a guy that turns her on. She knows within a few seconds that she WOULD have sex with him IF everything else pans out the way she likes. So, she starts getting to know him. Only after getting to know him does she actually decide whether she will or won't have sex with him.

The only thing that happens in the first few seconds is she thinks "hot guy."

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