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No always means no! Yeah... I'm confused on why this is confusing? Guys if a woman says NO... forget what her body says.. The police will only accept what she said!! And what confuses me is why is it that a woman can be a cock tease and not suffer her share of punishment. I am not condoning rape but to condone a woman's bad behavior is just as hypocritical. A fishing worm does not want to be bait yet a few women out there think it is funny to bait men. Not all women deserve what they get since they did nothing to earn it but what of the woman who instigates trouble, gets it, and cries rape? Example, remember last year that Lacrosse team that was accused by a woman of raping her and then it was proven she was not raped, made the whole thing up, and ruined a bunch of lives... This is how I see this who NO argument being twisted on itself. No means no EXCEPT WHEN A WOMAN IS BEING A TEASE INTENTIONALLY! Then No means NOTHING at least to me no matter how people want to word the law. I just want it clear that people who use the law to victimize others are raping people with the law! Again the Lacrosse team example! I deleted my earlier response because I felt it was too personal but maybe it needs to be said. Andy, your line of thinking is the same rationale my rapist gave to me when he was done. He explained this to me as he drove me back to my dorm room. I was crying and bleeding. But I guess I deserved what I got for making out with him. Unfortunately, it's impossible to know what some men will consider being a tease vs. making out a bit and then stopping. If you are going to insist upon raping a woman after a certain point perhaps you could let her know ahead of time where exactly that line is so she doesn't accidentally cross it. Thanks, a former victim. Unfortunately, It really needed to be said on this thread! Ruth! 
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I do have to wonder exactly what is considered a tease, too. I would also hope that a guy who cannot handle doing anything and stopping would speak up beforehand and say that in the beginning.
So, people should talk about limits before anything happens. Sure. However, even if the woman says she's ready to have sex, she can still change her mind. And if she does that, he needs to listen. |
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No always means no! Yeah... I'm confused on why this is confusing? Guys if a woman says NO... forget what her body says.. The police will only accept what she said!! And what confuses me is why is it that a woman can be a cock tease and not suffer her share of punishment. I am not condoning rape but to condone a woman's bad behavior is just as hypocritical. A fishing worm does not want to be bait yet a few women out there think it is funny to bait men. Not all women deserve what they get since they did nothing to earn it but what of the woman who instigates trouble, gets it, and cries rape? Example, remember last year that Lacrosse team that was accused by a woman of raping her and then it was proven she was not raped, made the whole thing up, and ruined a bunch of lives... This is how I see this who NO argument being twisted on itself. No means no EXCEPT WHEN A WOMAN IS BEING A TEASE INTENTIONALLY! Then No means NOTHING at least to me no matter how people want to word the law. I just want it clear that people who use the law to victimize others are raping people with the law! Again the Lacrosse team example! I deleted my earlier response because I felt it was too personal but maybe it needs to be said. Andy, your line of thinking is the same rationale my rapist gave to me when he was done. He explained this to me as he drove me back to my dorm room. I was crying and bleeding. But I guess I deserved what I got for making out with him. Unfortunately, it's impossible to know what some men will consider being a tease vs. making out a bit and then stopping. If you are going to insist upon raping a woman after a certain point perhaps you could let her know ahead of time where exactly that line is so she doesn't accidentally cross it. Thanks, a former victim. Unfortunately, It really needed to be said on this thread! Ruth!
I've been there Ruth |
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I do have to wonder exactly what is considered a tease, too. I would also hope that a guy who cannot handle doing anything and stopping would speak up beforehand and say that in the beginning.
So, people should talk about limits before anything happens. No, I think Men who can't control their sexual urges should. 
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No always means no! Yeah... I'm confused on why this is confusing? Guys if a woman says NO... forget what her body says.. The police will only accept what she said!! And what confuses me is why is it that a woman can be a cock tease and not suffer her share of punishment. I am not condoning rape but to condone a woman's bad behavior is just as hypocritical. A fishing worm does not want to be bait yet a few women out there think it is funny to bait men. Not all women deserve what they get since they did nothing to earn it but what of the woman who instigates trouble, gets it, and cries rape? Example, remember last year that Lacrosse team that was accused by a woman of raping her and then it was proven she was not raped, made the whole thing up, and ruined a bunch of lives... This is how I see this who NO argument being twisted on itself. No means no EXCEPT WHEN A WOMAN IS BEING A TEASE INTENTIONALLY! Then No means NOTHING at least to me no matter how people want to word the law. I just want it clear that people who use the law to victimize others are raping people with the law! Again the Lacrosse team example! the Lacrosse Team thing was unfortunate because there was a liar trying to make money and an idiot prosecutor trying to make a name for himself. That has nothing to do with this topic. And you know as well as I do that there are NUTBALLS out there who think if a woman wears her skirt a little too short.. She's a cock tease! |
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I do have to wonder exactly what is considered a tease, too. I would also hope that a guy who cannot handle doing anything and stopping would speak up beforehand and say that in the beginning.
So, people should talk about limits before anything happens. Sure. However, even if the woman says she's ready to have sex, she can still change her mind. And if she does that, he needs to listen. No argument there. If a woman first says "Yes" and later says "No", then the man probably should get away from her, because the woman is sending a mixed message. |
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What a great thread Sing.
It has brought to light the misogynistic ideals that have hung around from by gone times that say a man can't control himself so a woman has to. It has brought to light that a woman can walk down the street butt *** naked and she may get arrested but she should never have to fear being raped. |
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I'm sorry that happened to you, Ruth. I do have to wonder exactly what is considered a tease, too. I would also hope that a guy who cannot handle doing anything and stopping would speak up beforehand and say that in the beginning. Thanks, Emily. It was a very long time ago and it's not something I think about very often. But it seemed like it needed to be shared under the circumstances. |
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I do have to wonder exactly what is considered a tease, too. I would also hope that a guy who cannot handle doing anything and stopping would speak up beforehand and say that in the beginning.
So, people should talk about limits before anything happens. No, I think Men who can't control their sexual urges should.
Speaking of real men.... Johnn. 
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What constitutes a tease:
From the perspective of a male pig... Wearing a Beefer cut mini skirt, no panties, hanging all over me and kissing on me especially when I never met her before... Constantly bending over in front of me in a way that displays a certain part of the female anatomy and looking back at me smiling all the time... Please tell me women don't do this... I DARE YOU. Telling me I am going to have a good or great time. A good time to me is sex. A great time is the sex was good. having fun on a date is different from me having a good time... prostitutes promise a good time. They never promise fun at least the ones I know or knew. Unless it is freezing effing cold and a matter of surviving getting in my bed especially wearing damn near nothing if anything at all. First of all if the answer is NO I would rather sleep on the couch or in my own bed alone thank you! Promising she wants to FUCQ my brains out and never making good on that promise. Constantly shoving her breasts in my face... Putting her hands on me where they really should not be going if she does not want to wake the sleeping dragon... Nothing tells me "lets have sex" better than having a woman's hands on my balls! Whispering in my ear she wants to have my baby. So how shall I spell out what constitutes teasing a man? I think I did a nice job here... A self respecting woman does not act easy, cheap, or slutty. And to women who want to be a sex object, You wave the flag expect the enemy to come calling! Why is it people want to have things their way and never think of the potential consequences of their actions? You are aware that female romance novels likewise give men the wrong impression. A lot of men read them in the hopes it will give them a leg up on how women think... Don't even get me started on that Metrosexual Twilight Crap! Ann Rice and her homosexual Vampires were more than enough. |
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No always means no! Yeah... I'm confused on why this is confusing? Guys if a woman says NO... forget what her body says.. The police will only accept what she said!! And what confuses me is why is it that a woman can be a cock tease and not suffer her share of punishment. I am not condoning rape but to condone a woman's bad behavior is just as hypocritical. A fishing worm does not want to be bait yet a few women out there think it is funny to bait men. Not all women deserve what they get since they did nothing to earn it but what of the woman who instigates trouble, gets it, and cries rape? Example, remember last year that Lacrosse team that was accused by a woman of raping her and then it was proven she was not raped, made the whole thing up, and ruined a bunch of lives... This is how I see this who NO argument being twisted on itself. No means no EXCEPT WHEN A WOMAN IS BEING A TEASE INTENTIONALLY! Then No means NOTHING at least to me no matter how people want to word the law. I just want it clear that people who use the law to victimize others are raping people with the law! Again the Lacrosse team example! the Lacrosse Team thing was unfortunate because there was a liar trying to make money and an idiot prosecutor trying to make a name for himself. That has nothing to do with this topic. And you know as well as I do that there are NUTBALLS out there who think if a woman wears her skirt a little too short.. She's a cock tease! the Lacrosse incident DOES INDEED fit this topic perfectly! Like I said there are men here who will agree with anything a woman says hoping to get the inside track between your legs. It is called a Sympathy Play. That is not me. I am not going to agree with anything that rubs me wrong. And some of the concepts behind some of the arguments here are shallow, self serving, and fall short of being fair! I got friends who are nudists, As in they prefer to not wear any clothing. Why is it I can be around naked women all day long and not be sexually aroused at all yet when one rubs on me the wrong way my little soldier (little? Yeah, as if!) is standing at attention ready for battle? First of all I have to hold the ON switch to my crotch to the OFF position becasue of all the sexually frustrating women I keep coming across. First of all a mini skirt is nothing and means nothing. But the last thing I need to see is some women waving her pu$$y in the air and acting like a female fox trying to get all the males in the area worked up so she can get them all to service her. A lot of the problem is women present themselves like sluts and sometimes unintentionally but usually they plan it. Women THRIVE to attract attention like most men do. But how you wiggle the worm is what the problem is! Not the Bait itself! So please read my previous reply so I hope you can see what I am saying with more clarity than others have... |
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Edited by
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Fri 12/28/12 05:38 PM
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No always means no! Yeah... I'm confused on why this is confusing? Guys if a woman says NO... forget what her body says.. The police will only accept what she said!! And what confuses me is why is it that a woman can be a cock tease and not suffer her share of punishment. I am not condoning rape but to condone a woman's bad behavior is just as hypocritical. A fishing worm does not want to be bait yet a few women out there think it is funny to bait men. Not all women deserve what they get since they did nothing to earn it but what of the woman who instigates trouble, gets it, and cries rape? Example, remember last year that Lacrosse team that was accused by a woman of raping her and then it was proven she was not raped, made the whole thing up, and ruined a bunch of lives... This is how I see this who NO argument being twisted on itself. No means no EXCEPT WHEN A WOMAN IS BEING A TEASE INTENTIONALLY! Then No means NOTHING at least to me no matter how people want to word the law. I just want it clear that people who use the law to victimize others are raping people with the law! Again the Lacrosse team example! the Lacrosse Team thing was unfortunate because there was a liar trying to make money and an idiot prosecutor trying to make a name for himself. That has nothing to do with this topic. And you know as well as I do that there are NUTBALLS out there who think if a woman wears her skirt a little too short.. She's a cock tease! the Lacrosse incident DOES INDEED fit this topic perfectly! Like I said there are men here who will agree with anything a woman says hoping to get the inside track between your legs. It is called a Sympathy Play. That is not me. I am not going to agree with anything that rubs me wrong. And some of the concepts behind some of the arguments here are shallow, self serving, and fall short of being fair! I got friends who are nudists, As in they prefer to not wear any clothing. Why is it I can be around naked women all day long and not be sexually aroused at all yet when one rubs on me the wrong way my little soldier (little? Yeah, as if!) is standing at attention ready for battle? First of all I have to hold the ON switch to my crotch to the OFF position becasue of all the sexually frustrating women I keep coming across. First of all a mini skirt is nothing and means nothing. But the last thing I need to see is some women waving her pu$$y in the air and acting like a female fox trying to get all the males in the area worked up so she can get them all to service her. A lot of the problem is women present themselves like sluts and sometimes unintentionally but usually they plan it. Women THRIVE to attract attention like most men do. But how you wiggle the worm is what the problem is! Not the Bait itself! So please read my previous reply so I hope you can see what I am saying with more clarity than others have... I see. I'll leave this alone now. Andy, I feel very sorry for you. Very sorry. I hope that someday you see that you are the only one standing between you and a healthy, happy relationship with a woman. Good luck to you. I sincerely mean that. |
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Edited by
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I do have to wonder exactly what is considered a tease, too. I would also hope that a guy who cannot handle doing anything and stopping would speak up beforehand and say that in the beginning.
So, people should talk about limits before anything happens. Sure. However, even if the woman says she's ready to have sex, she can still change her mind. And if she does that, he needs to listen. Allow me to quote from the Movie Full Metal Jacket... Private Pyle, I suppose you are the kind of person who would fucq a man in the a$$ and not have the courtesy of at least giving him a reach around! -Master Gunnery Sergeant Hartman How does this apply? WELLLLLLLLLLL, the least you can do for a guy you just dumped the no word on a hand job to at least relive him of the frustration you just dumped on him. OH NO! ALL I EVER EFFING GOT WAS THE CRYING GAME AND BEING CALLED A LOT OF MEAN NAMES WHEN I HAD TO STOP! Please, I stood on the edge of raping a couple of women who actually broke the rules of conduct but at least "I" was the bigger man. But if I have to force myself on a woman I actually am wasting myself on a pig who does not deserve the pearls cast before her! You act like cutting a guy off cold turkey is nice, acceptable, or your privilege. Whatever. Leave him and move on. Be honorable and don't act like we are machines. That would cut back on a lot of rape. If you are going to draw lines draw them up front. Most of the time women are under some impression they can invoke spontaneous changes on others and expect us to just go with those changes. Sorry but life itself does not work that way! |
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No always means no! Yeah... I'm confused on why this is confusing? Guys if a woman says NO... forget what her body says.. The police will only accept what she said!! And what confuses me is why is it that a woman can be a cock tease and not suffer her share of punishment. I am not condoning rape but to condone a woman's bad behavior is just as hypocritical. A fishing worm does not want to be bait yet a few women out there think it is funny to bait men. Not all women deserve what they get since they did nothing to earn it but what of the woman who instigates trouble, gets it, and cries rape? Example, remember last year that Lacrosse team that was accused by a woman of raping her and then it was proven she was not raped, made the whole thing up, and ruined a bunch of lives... This is how I see this who NO argument being twisted on itself. No means no EXCEPT WHEN A WOMAN IS BEING A TEASE INTENTIONALLY! Then No means NOTHING at least to me no matter how people want to word the law. I just want it clear that people who use the law to victimize others are raping people with the law! Again the Lacrosse team example! the Lacrosse Team thing was unfortunate because there was a liar trying to make money and an idiot prosecutor trying to make a name for himself. That has nothing to do with this topic. And you know as well as I do that there are NUTBALLS out there who think if a woman wears her skirt a little too short.. She's a cock tease! the Lacrosse incident DOES INDEED fit this topic perfectly! Like I said there are men here who will agree with anything a woman says hoping to get the inside track between your legs. It is called a Sympathy Play. That is not me. I am not going to agree with anything that rubs me wrong. And some of the concepts behind some of the arguments here are shallow, self serving, and fall short of being fair! I got friends who are nudists, As in they prefer to not wear any clothing. Why is it I can be around naked women all day long and not be sexually aroused at all yet when one rubs on me the wrong way my little soldier (little? Yeah, as if!) is standing at attention ready for battle? First of all I have to hold the ON switch to my crotch to the OFF position becasue of all the sexually frustrating women I keep coming across. First of all a mini skirt is nothing and means nothing. But the last thing I need to see is some women waving her pu$$y in the air and acting like a female fox trying to get all the males in the area worked up so she can get them all to service her. A lot of the problem is women present themselves like sluts and sometimes unintentionally but usually they plan it. Women THRIVE to attract attention like most men do. But how you wiggle the worm is what the problem is! Not the Bait itself! So please read my previous reply so I hope you can see what I am saying with more clarity than others have... I see. I'll leave this alone now. Andy, I feel very sorry for you. Very sorry. I hope that someday you see that you are the only one standing between you and a healthy, happy relationship with a woman. Good luck to you. I sincerely mean that. Sorry I don't do Sympathy. I sure don't want yours. I don't need it. When you have to live a life being treated like a bastard constantly and having people deal with me in bad faith on a daily basis, constantly being called upon when people only need me for something, living a lifetime alone even among others of "my own kind," and having women treat me like a beast of burden has molded me into the well rounded person you all see before you. Sorry being honest bothers you so much. Would you prefer I lie? Frankly I have become an a$$hole over the last couple of years and I really feel a lot better for it. I have been walked on by people SO Much I should change my first name to Welcome and my middle name to Matt. But now I cannot be perceived as weak becasue I am no longer "just being nice," like I was supposed to be to make everyone around me happy. I did so much to make other people happy I myself became miserable. Now I could care less. At least here I am not a Hypocrite! I just have no sympathy for stupidity any more. ESPECIALLY IF THAT STUPIDITY LEADS TO PERSONAL HARM! Also sorry of being Draconian bothers you. Actually why the hell am I apologizing? I am not sorry I am Draconian. I see a lot of the NO MEANS NO argument being used as a means to empower women and give them dominion over men. FOOLISH WOMEN, A FUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP IS ABOUT TRUST, COMMUNICATION, AND SHARING RESPONSIBILITY. NOT RIDING ON THE BACK OF A MAN LIKE HE IS A MOTORCYCLE. The day you see handlebars sticking out of the back of my head I will agree totally with all of you. Until then get used to me being an opinionated prick! |
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if both a man and woman are drunk when they have sex, are they both considered unable to consent?
and did they therefore 'rape' each other? ,,,just things that legally make you go,,,hmmmm ,,,,,carry on, |
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if both a man and woman are drunk when they have sex, are they both considered unable to consent? and did they therefore 'rape' each other? ,,,just things that legally make you go,,,hmmmm ,,,,,carry on, YOU OFFICIALLY ASCENDED TO GODHOOD WITH THIS ONE! I bow before your majesty! You just made the light of heaven shine! THANK YOU SO MUCH! Now I am going to fall on the floor laughing! 
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What constitutes a tease: From the perspective of a male pig... Wearing a Beefer cut mini skirt, no panties, hanging all over me and kissing on me especially when I never met her before... Constantly bending over in front of me in a way that displays a certain part of the female anatomy and looking back at me smiling all the time... Please tell me women don't do this... I DARE YOU. Telling me I am going to have a good or great time. A good time to me is sex. A great time is the sex was good. having fun on a date is different from me having a good time... prostitutes promise a good time. They never promise fun at least the ones I know or knew. Unless it is freezing effing cold and a matter of surviving getting in my bed especially wearing damn near nothing if anything at all. First of all if the answer is NO I would rather sleep on the couch or in my own bed alone thank you! Promising she wants to FUCQ my brains out and never making good on that promise. Constantly shoving her breasts in my face... Putting her hands on me where they really should not be going if she does not want to wake the sleeping dragon... Nothing tells me "lets have sex" better than having a woman's hands on my balls! Whispering in my ear she wants to have my baby. So how shall I spell out what constitutes teasing a man? I think I did a nice job here... A self respecting woman does not act easy, cheap, or slutty. And to women who want to be a sex object, You wave the flag expect the enemy to come calling! Why is it people want to have things their way and never think of the potential consequences of their actions? You are aware that female romance novels likewise give men the wrong impression. A lot of men read them in the hopes it will give them a leg up on how women think... Don't even get me started on that Metrosexual Twilight Crap! Ann Rice and her homosexual Vampires were more than enough. So, you got mad that a woman you didn't know previously was rubbing herself on you and whispering that she wants to have your baby didn't end up giving you the sex you wanted? Really? Most men would have backed away at the baby part. And what do romance novels have to do with this? What wrong impression to fictional novels give you? |
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What constitutes a tease: From the perspective of a male pig... Wearing a Beefer cut mini skirt, no panties, hanging all over me and kissing on me especially when I never met her before... Constantly bending over in front of me in a way that displays a certain part of the female anatomy and looking back at me smiling all the time... Please tell me women don't do this... I DARE YOU. Telling me I am going to have a good or great time. A good time to me is sex. A great time is the sex was good. having fun on a date is different from me having a good time... prostitutes promise a good time. They never promise fun at least the ones I know or knew. Unless it is freezing effing cold and a matter of surviving getting in my bed especially wearing damn near nothing if anything at all. First of all if the answer is NO I would rather sleep on the couch or in my own bed alone thank you! Promising she wants to FUCQ my brains out and never making good on that promise. Constantly shoving her breasts in my face... Putting her hands on me where they really should not be going if she does not want to wake the sleeping dragon... Nothing tells me "lets have sex" better than having a woman's hands on my balls! Whispering in my ear she wants to have my baby. So how shall I spell out what constitutes teasing a man? I think I did a nice job here... A self respecting woman does not act easy, cheap, or slutty. And to women who want to be a sex object, You wave the flag expect the enemy to come calling! Why is it people want to have things their way and never think of the potential consequences of their actions? You are aware that female romance novels likewise give men the wrong impression. A lot of men read them in the hopes it will give them a leg up on how women think... Don't even get me started on that Metrosexual Twilight Crap! Ann Rice and her homosexual Vampires were more than enough. So, you got mad that a woman you didn't know previously was rubbing herself on you and whispering that she wants to have your baby didn't end up giving you the sex you wanted? Really? Most men would have backed away at the baby part. And what do romance novels have to do with this? What wrong impression to fictional novels give you? And what fictitious world do you live in if I may ask? Now you are trying to justify a woman's bad behavior. You are likewise trying to make it OK for women to run around hurting men. Can I say that you are Scandalous? Am I allowed or will the Moderators get all pissed off at me??? |
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What constitutes a tease: From the perspective of a male pig... Wearing a Beefer cut mini skirt, no panties, hanging all over me and kissing on me especially when I never met her before... Constantly bending over in front of me in a way that displays a certain part of the female anatomy and looking back at me smiling all the time... Please tell me women don't do this... I DARE YOU. Telling me I am going to have a good or great time. A good time to me is sex. A great time is the sex was good. having fun on a date is different from me having a good time... prostitutes promise a good time. They never promise fun at least the ones I know or knew. Unless it is freezing effing cold and a matter of surviving getting in my bed especially wearing damn near nothing if anything at all. First of all if the answer is NO I would rather sleep on the couch or in my own bed alone thank you! Promising she wants to FUCQ my brains out and never making good on that promise. Constantly shoving her breasts in my face... Putting her hands on me where they really should not be going if she does not want to wake the sleeping dragon... Nothing tells me "lets have sex" better than having a woman's hands on my balls! Whispering in my ear she wants to have my baby. So how shall I spell out what constitutes teasing a man? I think I did a nice job here... A self respecting woman does not act easy, cheap, or slutty. And to women who want to be a sex object, You wave the flag expect the enemy to come calling! Why is it people want to have things their way and never think of the potential consequences of their actions? You are aware that female romance novels likewise give men the wrong impression. A lot of men read them in the hopes it will give them a leg up on how women think... Don't even get me started on that Metrosexual Twilight Crap! Ann Rice and her homosexual Vampires were more than enough. So, you got mad that a woman you didn't know previously was rubbing herself on you and whispering that she wants to have your baby didn't end up giving you the sex you wanted? Really? Most men would have backed away at the baby part. And what do romance novels have to do with this? What wrong impression to fictional novels give you? And what fictitious world do you live in if I may ask? Now you are trying to justify a woman's bad behavior. You are likewise trying to make it OK for women to run around hurting men. Can I say that you are Scandalous? Am I allowed or will the Moderators get all pissed off at me??? I'm not justifying anyone's behavior. You keep trying to justify date rape, though. |
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