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I made a career out of 'working' with men, not imitating them...i happen to like being feminine. But...i did have to work with them to gain their confidence in me and their respect to actually listen to the advice i gave to them. At times i had to be firm and speak to them in the only way they were able to absorb the information in a sometimes pressured environment with blood p!ssing out everywhere, or limbs broken or dislocated...because in those circumstances, it didn't bode well to be a girly girl. You found what worked for you and went with it. Being tougher sometimes, rather than a girly girl isn't imitating men. It's doing what works to get the job done. I see no problem at all with that. |
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But what I am saying to you is I do know these things and I know them first hand...It's generational Sing ...You had to BE there...I'm not talking about women wearing pants cause their job required it, I'm talking about women wearing pants to compete with men wearing pants because the men had the jobs women wanted and needed!..As for talking like men, women, myself included, still do it!... Attitude imitation means expressing apathy while feeling empathy, acting strong while feeling weak....Having the opposite or a different attitude, but expressing the same attitude because you had to if you wanted to keep your job...Labor laws were not written to kill boredom SingMe... Men and women are always going to compete for jobs. People compete for jobs. I'm not sure how one talks like a man, though. Or a woman, for that matter. Examples would help! True, men and women are always going to compete for jobs  However, that was not always the case...
As to the rest of your post, it tells me things are definitely moving in the right direction.... 
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I made a career out of 'working' with men, not imitating them...i happen to like being feminine. But...i did have to work with them to gain their confidence in me and their respect to actually listen to the advice i gave to them. At times i had to be firm and speak to them in the only way they were able to absorb the information in a sometimes pressured environment with blood p!ssing out everywhere, or limbs broken or dislocated...because in those circumstances, it didn't bode well to be a girly girl. 
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But what I am saying to you is I do know these things and I know them first hand...It's generational Sing ...You had to BE there...I'm not talking about women wearing pants cause their job required it, I'm talking about women wearing pants to compete with men wearing pants because the men had the jobs women wanted and needed!..As for talking like men, women, myself included, still do it!... Attitude imitation means expressing apathy while feeling empathy, acting strong while feeling weak....Having the opposite or a different attitude, but expressing the same attitude because you had to if you wanted to keep your job...Labor laws were not written to kill boredom SingMe... Men and women are always going to compete for jobs. People compete for jobs. I'm not sure how one talks like a man, though. Or a woman, for that matter. Examples would help! True, men and women are always going to compete for jobs However, that was not always the case...
As to the rest of your post, it tells me things are definitely moving in the right direction....
You and I often think very differently based on what I've seen in the forums, so examples of what you're talking about would help me see what you're actually thinking here. You mentioned earlier women imitating men, so an example of how you think a woman is trying to imitate a man by talking like him would help. |
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To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the beginning of time, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven’t changed at all – they had things just the way they wanted them – but women have been forced to change dramatically.
In a nutshell, women are strong. They’re also knowing. That’s because they've been raised to think of men as partners, not bosses. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men to reach their highest potential Now the men have everywhere to go. It is precisely this dynamic – women and men as equals – that has enhanced the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, love can still go awry inspite of the fact that feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s. But what if the dearth of good men, and ongoing battle of the sexes, is – hold on to your seats – is not anyones fault? You’ll never hear that in the media. All the articles and books (and television programs, for that matter) put equality front and center. Now none must take a back seat. But after decades of change American men and women are finally working together for a common interest.. Fixed it...... 
 
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To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the beginning of time, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven’t changed at all – they had things just the way they wanted them – but women have been forced to change dramatically.
In a nutshell, women are strong. They’re also knowing. That’s because they've been raised to think of men as partners, not bosses. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men to reach their highest potential Now the men have everywhere to go. It is precisely this dynamic – women and men as equals – that has enhanced the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, love can still go awry inspite of the fact that feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s. But what if the dearth of good men, and ongoing battle of the sexes, is – hold on to your seats – is not anyones fault? You’ll never hear that in the media. All the articles and books (and television programs, for that matter) put equality front and center. Now none must take a back seat. But after decades of change American men and women are finally working together for a common interest.. Fixed it......
I was imitating yOu  Hi!!!! You're home!!! 
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To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the beginning of time, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven’t changed at all – they had things just the way they wanted them – but women have been forced to change dramatically.
In a nutshell, women are strong. They’re also knowing. That’s because they've been raised to think of men as partners, not bosses. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men to reach their highest potential Now the men have everywhere to go. It is precisely this dynamic – women and men as equals – that has enhanced the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, love can still go awry inspite of the fact that feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s. But what if the dearth of good men, and ongoing battle of the sexes, is – hold on to your seats – is not anyones fault? You’ll never hear that in the media. All the articles and books (and television programs, for that matter) put equality front and center. Now none must take a back seat. But after decades of change American men and women are finally working together for a common interest.. Fixed it......
I was imitating yOu Hi!!!! You're home!!!
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To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the beginning of time, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven’t changed at all – they had things just the way they wanted them – but women have been forced to change dramatically.
In a nutshell, women are strong. They’re also knowing. That’s because they've been raised to think of men as partners, not bosses. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men to reach their highest potential Now the men have everywhere to go. It is precisely this dynamic – women and men as equals – that has enhanced the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, love can still go awry inspite of the fact that feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s. But what if the dearth of good men, and ongoing battle of the sexes, is – hold on to your seats – is not anyones fault? You’ll never hear that in the media. All the articles and books (and television programs, for that matter) put equality front and center. Now none must take a back seat. But after decades of change American men and women are finally working together for a common interest.. Fixed it......
Now that's what i call a Handy-man Leigh...you lucky girl :-) |
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To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the beginning of time, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven’t changed at all – they had things just the way they wanted them – but women have been forced to change dramatically.
In a nutshell, women are strong. They’re also knowing. That’s because they've been raised to think of men as partners, not bosses. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men to reach their highest potential Now the men have everywhere to go. It is precisely this dynamic – women and men as equals – that has enhanced the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, love can still go awry inspite of the fact that feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s. But what if the dearth of good men, and ongoing battle of the sexes, is – hold on to your seats – is not anyones fault? You’ll never hear that in the media. All the articles and books (and television programs, for that matter) put equality front and center. Now none must take a back seat. But after decades of change American men and women are finally working together for a common interest.. Fixed it......
Now that's what i call a Handy-man Leigh...you lucky girl :-) 
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I think at this point in my life, I approach relationships and dating as a learning experience. Its about the enjoyment of getting to know the woman, and just let her be her damn self, whatever that may be, I expect the same. If we naturally fit together somehow with our personality differences and outlook on life, It can all be good. Who wants to fit in this Box. I don't. I think we are capable of different situations for different partners, or maybe Im just adaptable and like change somewhat. I can have ideals, but they are flexible. I wouldn't be afraid to marry, the conditions would be much different then when I was say 20. I think this comment by the OP was written and targeted for a purpose. Its just one opinion, from a particular point of view. 
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I was just trying to figure out what you actually thought, rather than just using words from the author. OK, here is what I think: It is wrong for anti-male sexual prejudice to be given a pass by women if they aren't going to give anti-female sexual prejudice a pass, too. Promoting gender equality means speaking against all sexual prejudice, not just the kind that negatively affects one's particular gender. Yes, I completely agree and this is why I said I agreed to a certain extent with the original article. Male bashing is a problem in this country and its generally accepted as funny. However, woman bashing is not funny and not acceptable. I became more aware of this problem as my sons were growing up. The answer isn't to allow men to bash women. The answer is to stop bashing men and give proper respect to both genders as human beings. And, that's my .02 cents. Edit: unfortunately, there are still too many men who laugh at rape jokes and songs about ******* and hoes to say there is no longer a need for feminism. I also have two daughters. |
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I think at this point in my life, I approach relationships and dating as a learning experience. Its about the enjoyment of getting to know the woman, and just let her be her damn self, whatever that may be, I expect the same. If we naturally fit together somehow with our personality differences and outlook on life, It can all be good. Who wants to fit in this Box. I don't. I think we are capable of different situations for different partners, or maybe Im just adaptable and like change somewhat. I can have ideals, but they are flexible. I wouldn't be afraid to marry, the conditions would be much different then when I was say 20. I think this comment by the OP was written and targeted for a purpose. Its just one opinion, from a particular point of view.
Thanks, Ruth. Your posts are always full of insight and reason as well.
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Thanks, Ruth. Your posts are always full of insight and reason as well.
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Male bashing is a problem in this country and its generally accepted as funny. However, woman bashing is not funny and not acceptable. I became more aware of this problem as my sons were growing up.
The answer isn't to allow men to bash women. The answer is to stop bashing men and give proper respect to both genders as human beings. And, that's my .02 cents. 
for the author of the above-quoted statements. Edit: unfortunately, there are still too many men who laugh at rape jokes and songs about ******* and hoes to say there is no longer a need for feminism. I also have two daughters.
Gee, I wonder what kind of men do that kind of stuff. |
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I was just trying to figure out what you actually thought, rather than just using words from the author. OK, here is what I think: It is wrong for anti-male sexual prejudice to be given a pass by women if they aren't going to give anti-female sexual prejudice a pass, too. Promoting gender equality means speaking against all sexual prejudice, not just the kind that negatively affects one's particular gender. Yes, I completely agree and this is why I said I agreed to a certain extent with the original article. Male bashing is a problem in this country and its generally accepted as funny. However, woman bashing is not funny and not acceptable. I became more aware of this problem as my sons were growing up. The answer isn't to allow men to bash women. The answer is to stop bashing men and give proper respect to both genders as human beings. And, that's my .02 cents. Edit: unfortunately, there are still too many men who laugh at rape jokes and songs about ******* and hoes to say there is no longer a need for feminism. I also have two daughters. Is taking the p!ss out of male and female tendacies and oddities considered bashing? If so, then i have to re-hash my humour, because i find the little things that is gender specific quite amusing at times. Like when men scratch their onions or when ladies look as if they're going to keel over in the too high heels they're tottering around in. There are some things that both genders do that we can laugh at without calling it 'bashing' isn't there? |
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Is taking the p!ss out of male and female tendacies and oddities considered bashing? If so, then i have to re-hash my humour, because i find the little things that is gender specific quite amusing at times. Like when men scratch their onions or when ladies look as if they're going to keel over in the too high heels they're tottering around in. There are some things that both genders do that we can laugh at without calling it 'bashing' isn't there? I always cry when you scratch my onions. BTW, we don't scratch the onions, we are either scratch the area around them or moving them slightly for comfort |
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Well that explains why men fidget alot in budgie smugglers :-)
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Thank you, DD. I guess we found something we agree on.
K, life would not be worth living without humor and we are all better people when we don't take ourselves too seriously. Light hearted fun and joking about each other's shortcomings is not bashing. I think it's a common sense issue and if we have to start listing "approved" and "unapproved" jokes in PDF format for everyone to print out, we are in big trouble.
Mutual respect, sensitivity and a thick skin go a long way toward making life more pleasant for everyone. |
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I did say "IF" there somewhere i think Yeah. What he boasted is iffy.
What you, Kahurangi or anyone thinks of my abilities to attract young ladies for sexual partners has no effect on reality. The mother of my second son is 28 years younger than myself. This is a fact. Here's a photo of the three of us. 
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Totally agree Ruth...but what one person finds amusing, another person will find offensive. I suppose it also comes down to being able to accept the fact that we just can't please everybody all the time.
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