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More like a war on behavior.
I don't really support the notion that its only men who's stayed the same. Sure the male mindset remains untouched (eat, have power/money, sleep, phuck, "give me my space") it seems but not all men who don't subject themselves to be permanently defined by a heartbreak or big occupational failure do change and grow and hopefully become a more better version of themselves. I figure the ones who are stagnant are just eternally afraid. This editorial is so full of hack, its hard to go further. |
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More like a war on behavior. Oh? Is it only men who behave badly? No, of course not. Single women also contribute to the reason for their singleness. |
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More like a war on behavior. Oh? Is it only men who behave badly? No, of course not. Single women also contribute to the reason for their singleness. Women are single because of Men. 
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More like a war on behavior. Oh? Is it only men who behave badly? No, of course not. Single women also contribute to the reason for their singleness. Women are single because of Men.
Actually women are single because of a man's ex-relationships. Its a 3-way phucked up tree. |
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Women are single cause we CAN.....
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A thread in the "Chit Chat" forum is titled "To the real women out there". The expression "real women" pertains to something that Suzanne Venker talks about.
As the author of three books on the American family and its intersection with pop culture, I’ve spent thirteen years examining social agendas as they pertain to sex, parenting, and gender roles. During this time, I’ve spoken with hundreds, if not thousands, of men and women. And in doing so, I’ve accidentally stumbled upon a subculture of men who’ve told me, in no uncertain terms, that they’re never getting married. When I ask them why, the answer is always the same.
Women aren’t women anymore. |
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Here is an excerpt from an article titled "The war on men" written by author Suzanne Venker. Please note that the author is a woman. To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the sexual revolution, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven’t changed much – they had no revolution that demanded it – but women have changed dramatically.
In a nutshell, women are angry. They’re also defensive, though often unknowingly. That’s because they've been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise) and climbed up to take what they were taught to believe was rightfully theirs. Now the men have nowhere to go. It is precisely this dynamic – women good/men bad – that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry. Heck, men have been to blame since feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s. But what if the dearth of good men, and ongoing battle of the sexes, is – hold on to your seats – women’s fault? You’ll never hear that in the media. All the articles and books (and television programs, for that matter) put women front and center, while men and children sit in the back seat. But after decades of browbeating the American male, men are tired. Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren't happy, it’s men’s fault. I have read enough posts on this website to believe what Suzanne Venker says. What say you? So, you know lots of women who are angry and defensive because they believe men are the enemy? Why have they said they think men are the enemy? What exactly do you believe they're angry and defensive about? Dodo, still waiting for a response on this. |
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A thread in the "Chit Chat" forum is titled "To the real women out there". The expression "real women" pertains to something that Suzanne Venker talks about. As the author of three books on the American family and its intersection with pop culture, I’ve spent thirteen years examining social agendas as they pertain to sex, parenting, and gender roles. During this time, I’ve spoken with hundreds, if not thousands, of men and women. And in doing so, I’ve accidentally stumbled upon a subculture of men who’ve told me, in no uncertain terms, that they’re never getting married. When I ask them why, the answer is always the same.
Women aren’t women anymore. In what way? They stopped settling for less than they deserve? What is her point in talking to today's man? |
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Women are single cause we CAN..... I'm probably the only woman who finds any truth in the article in question. And I stand by my original statement. BUT, this is true. Like many single women, I am single because I don't need a man. Therefore the addition of said man will have to be because I found someone I could not live without. I may very well find him one day. But if I don't, make no mistake about it, I will have a happy and fulfilling life just the same. Sans the anger and bitterness. Life is too short for such nonsense.  
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Edited by
Kahurangi
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Sun 11/25/12 07:03 PM
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Here is an excerpt from an article titled "The war on men" written by author Suzanne Venker. Please note that the author is a woman. To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the sexual revolution, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven’t changed much – they had no revolution that demanded it – but women have changed dramatically.
In a nutshell, women are angry. They’re also defensive, though often unknowingly. That’s because they've been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise) and climbed up to take what they were taught to believe was rightfully theirs. Now the men have nowhere to go. It is precisely this dynamic – women good/men bad – that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry. Heck, men have been to blame since feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s. But what if the dearth of good men, and ongoing battle of the sexes, is – hold on to your seats – women’s fault? You’ll never hear that in the media. All the articles and books (and television programs, for that matter) put women front and center, while men and children sit in the back seat. But after decades of browbeating the American male, men are tired. Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren't happy, it’s men’s fault. I have read enough posts on this website to believe what Suzanne Venker says. What say you? Bollox! But by all means....if it provides you with an excuse for not finding your ideal partner Dodo, then continue to believe her twaddle. First, I did find my ideal partner. She died two years ago, which is why I am a widower. Second, I started this thread simply to provide something to talk about. If you were to read Suzanne Venker's commentary, you would discover that Venker is talking about a reason that some men in the USA are giving for not wanting to get married. She paints women as self absorbed and men as victims of being shunted out in the cold and forgotten. From what i see, she continues to feed the insecurities of those men who feel they are being victimised. Seriously...do you really think she is sympathising with you on her way to the bank to cash her cheque she's recieved from sales of her book to men who want to believe that women have become the reason why they fail? Do you honestly think she provides a clear solution here? Pffft...'War on Men'...how is that ever going to be discussed when the title alone is outrageous. Edit...because i can |
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Women are single cause we CAN..... Yeah if some of us look as good as you then its a choice. 
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Edited by
indianadave4
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Sun 11/25/12 06:43 PM
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No, most women do not particularly teach this anti-men idealism. However, loud feminists have infiltrated and legally coerced the media to an extent that most times a man is in a sitcom, commercial or movie he is dumb, fat and an ignorant buffoon while the woman is hot, intelligent and seldom makes mistakes. This current generation has been raised with this "entertainment". While some may say it's only TV, movies, etc, the media has effects our culture and with it attitudes towards men. Boys raised to see that fathers are dumb and mothers are the only ones who have it together. Advertizements, many times, a single mother with two kids. Seeing a dad in the picture is less and less. Look at most commercials and this can be seen everyday. Yes, men are beginning to resent this along with women who support it. A few things wrong with this...Male writers outnumber female writers, especially in TV sitcoms and commercials, and women watch more TV than men...Women are also the biggest consumers because they typically shop for the whole damn family (usually after work and on weekends  )...That is why TV programing is "slightly" more geared to the female audience.... If men are beginning to resent this, they should take it up with the men who are paid mega bucks to write for TV...
If you reread my post I didn't say they controlled the media but they do heavily influence it. These women are extremely vocal. By the way you never addressed my comment about the content of entertainment. If women are the major viewers then the writers (men or women) are producing what they will watch: anti-men entertainment. If women didn't like it viewing numbers would go down thus a change in direction would be called for: MARKETING 101. As long as women watch it producers will produce it. We didn't see attacks on men like this until the late 70's when feminists called for women to take over the media. |
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So, you know lots of women who are angry and defensive because they believe men are the enemy? Why have they said they think men are the enemy? What exactly do you believe they're angry and defensive about? Dodo, still waiting for a response on this. 
But after decades of browbeating the American male, men are tired. Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren't happy, it’s men’s fault.
What Venker says in the above quote is something that I have seen on this site. Men have complained about them being mischaracterized by women. |
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So, you know lots of women who are angry and defensive because they believe men are the enemy? Why have they said they think men are the enemy? What exactly do you believe they're angry and defensive about? Dodo, still waiting for a response on this.
But after decades of browbeating the American male, men are tired. Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren't happy, it’s men’s fault.
What Venker says in the above quote is something that I have seen on this site. Men have complained about them being mischaracterized by women. Well, I was asking for your thoughts in your own words, rather than what the author wrote, since you said you agreed. But, ok. Because some women have told you that something is fundamentally wrong with you and that they're not happy because of you, that all women are like this? |
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Edited by
Leigh2154
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Sun 11/25/12 07:50 PM
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No, most women do not particularly teach this anti-men idealism. However, loud feminists have infiltrated and legally coerced the media to an extent that most times a man is in a sitcom, commercial or movie he is dumb, fat and an ignorant buffoon while the woman is hot, intelligent and seldom makes mistakes. This current generation has been raised with this "entertainment". While some may say it's only TV, movies, etc, the media has effects our culture and with it attitudes towards men. Boys raised to see that fathers are dumb and mothers are the only ones who have it together. Advertizements, many times, a single mother with two kids. Seeing a dad in the picture is less and less. Look at most commercials and this can be seen everyday. Yes, men are beginning to resent this along with women who support it. A few things wrong with this...Male writers outnumber female writers, especially in TV sitcoms and commercials, and women watch more TV than men...Women are also the biggest consumers because they typically shop for the whole damn family (usually after work and on weekends )...That is why TV programing is "slightly" more geared to the female audience.... If men are beginning to resent this, they should take it up with the men who are paid mega bucks to write for TV...
If you reread my post I didn't say they controlled the media but they do heavily influence it. These women are extremely vocal. By the way you never addressed my comment about the content of entertainment. If women are the major viewers then the writers (men or women) are producing what they will watch: anti-men entertainment. If women didn't like it viewing numbers would go down thus a change in direction would be called for: MARKETING 101. As long as women watch it producers will produce it. We didn't see attacks on men like this until the late 70's when feminists called for women to take over the media. I didn't know I was required to address your comment on entertainment content....First of all, I think your statement about loud feminists infiltrating and legally coercing media composition is total BS..Composition is controlled by Nielsen ratings and ad time, not loud feminists ....Second, if media is the primary influence on how boys view their fathers (or men in general) I would say the fault lies with the fathers, not the 60" flat screen....As for commercials, you look at them...I stopped years ago because every one I saw portrayed women from housewives to executives as young and beautiful with perfect hair and perfect butts bending over a perfect table serving a perfect family that consisted of one perfect daughter with pink ribbons in her hair, a happy 10 year old boy with the perfect amount of freckles sprinkled across his perfect little upturned nose, and the most perfect man sitting at the head of the table happily carving a perfect standing rib roast....It was unbelievably perfect, if you know what I mean... 
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So, you know lots of women who are angry and defensive because they believe men are the enemy? Why have they said they think men are the enemy? What exactly do you believe they're angry and defensive about? Dodo, still waiting for a response on this.
But after decades of browbeating the American male, men are tired. Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren't happy, it’s men’s fault.
What Venker says in the above quote is something that I have seen on this site. Men have complained about them being mischaracterized by women. Well, I was asking for your thoughts in your own words, rather than what the author wrote, since you said you agreed. But, ok. Because some women have told you that something is fundamentally wrong with you and that they're not happy because of you, that all women are like this? I thought I'd clarified what I meant in my OP.
In the forums on this site, I have read posts reflecting the battle of the sexes as described in Venker's commentary. Why do you suppose that men here keep saying that they are seeking "real" women? |
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Why do you suppose that men here keep saying that they are seeking "real" women? Same reason women say they are looking for a "real" man?
Usually when I hear people saying they are looking for a "real" man or woman, I figure they are looking for a type of person they have created in their mind that they think is typical of what a "real" man or woman is like. The only thing that makes you a "real" man or woman is a penis or a vagina. Outside of that, everyone is an individual with different characteristics and personality traits. Instead of worrying about what everyone else needs and is looking for, just focus on what YOU want/need. That's all that matters in the end. Enough with the blame game. It's so old. |
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I thought I'd clarified what I meant in my OP.
In the forums on this site, I have read posts reflecting the battle of the sexes as described in Venker's commentary. Why do you suppose that men here keep saying that they are seeking "real" women? You had posted someone else's words that you said you agreed with, so I asked you questions based on that, hoping to get your thoughts in your own words. You'll have to ask them why they're seeking "real" women and what they mean by "real." Probably someone who fits their specific preferences. That "real" woman is going to be different for different men. |
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I know nazi lesbians wage war on men. I'm talkin about the ones who wear sleeveless flannel shirts, mining boots and a mesh truckers cap. |
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I know nazi lesbians wage war on men. I'm talkin about the ones who wear sleeveless flannel shirts, mining boots and a mesh truckers cap.
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