Right, resistance of occupation is not terrorism.

Fighting for freedom is not terrorism.

Occupation of what? The people in that area lived in mud huts before Israel came to exist. They were there because none of the Arab countries wanted them and treated them as non-humans. There was no government, hospitals, schools. Nothing but poverty and squalor. Now, at least they have an opportunity to progress and what have they done?
The only occupier of the Palestinians is their ignorance.

I cannot believe what I am reading

I believe that you believe that and in coming to that conclusion I have no desire to partake in any further stupid discussion with you.

I could produce photographic documentation but I Cannot be bothered my arse to do so.

Slan Leat anois

Believe it my friend.

Since the Palestinians continue to commit terrorist attack war
crimes solely aimed at killing innocent civilians they will have
to take responsibility for these attacks and accept a demilitarized
country. The Israelis cannot possibly be asked to trust those who
shoot rockets into their cities now to refrain if they are given
access to larger numbers of more powerful weapons.

No problem there are many countries which don't have much in the
way of an army and do not need it. The Palestinians certainly do
not need an army.

The Syrians, Jordanians and Egyptians could forge peace agreements
with both Israel and the Palestinians for example and be a positive
force for supporting peace for a change. These neighboring countries
could assist with water and power and other non-military goods and
could even assist by granting some land at their borders if it
would help to give the Palestinians extra space which Israel cannot
afford to give up given their miniscule size and severe security
needs.

Whenever the Arabs surrounding Israel lay down their arms there are
extended periods of peace in the region. They have done it before
and they can do it again. All they have to do is stop murdering
Israelis and they will have peace and can begin to build a better
future.

The life of every Palestinian in the West Bank is at the mercy of any soldier he or she meets. We are talking millions of people, who haven’t got the most basic protections that civilians everywhere enjoy. All Palestinians are tried by military tribunals, where the prosecution and the judges wear the same uniform – that of the IDF. Palestinians are not allowed to travel outside the West Bank without an army permit. They are subject to long lines at checkpoints and to arbitrary searches whenever they meet a soldier. Soldiers enter Palestinian homes at any time – day or night – without a warrant. When a Palestinian is wronged by a soldier, there is little point in filing a complaint, as the army doesn’t have the checks and balances a civilian authority has. Palestinians are not just Israelis with lesser rights; they are more like the prisoners of Israelis. I know this, because I have seen the occupation in action and I have been directly involved in it.
And the worst thought of all: A Palestinian man my age has not been free for a single day in his life.




I am an Independent journalist and editor.

I have worked for Tel Aviv's Ha-ir local paper, for Ynet.co.il and for the Maariv daily, where my last post was deputy editor of the weekend magazine. My work has recently been published in Haaretz, Yedioth Ahronoth, The Nation and other newspapers and magazines.

I was born in Ramat-Gan and today live and work in Tel Aviv. Before working as a journalist, I served four and a half years in the IDF.

The only occupier of the Palestinians is their ignorance.

In ancient history, textual evidence is often all we have. There is no physical evidence for the existance of Hannibal Barca apart from the texts of Livius, but no historian disputes he was an actual historical figure.



A ridiculous Red Herring.



Fallacious, see above.



See above, and I believe you mean archaeological, not geological.

QFT

QFT?

Quoted For Truth.

In recent years, the occupation has reached its most sophisticated level. It is the greatest national project Israel has launched. The best and the brightest take part in it: the high-tech industry invents new means of control and supervision over the local population (the army has become so good at this job, that Israel has exported much of the knowledge it gained in the West Bank and Gaza to other occupying countries); the best legal scholars come up with loopholes to allow the ongoing confiscation of assets and deprivation of rights; and the most skilled diplomats are taking part in a propaganda war meant to convince the world that the Palestinians are to blame for the occupation.

Astonishingly, the international community is buying this nonsense,



treating what is basically a massive-scale human rights violation as if it was a remote border dispute between two sovereign nations.

Occupation of what? The people in that area lived in mud huts before Israel came to exist. They were there because none of the Arab countries wanted them and treated them as non-humans. There was no government, hospitals, schools. Nothing but poverty and squalor. Now, at least they have an opportunity to progress and what have they done?
The only occupier of the Palestinians is their ignorance.


Some Mud Hut This

That looks like Hot Springs Arkansas in 1903.

Just like Northern Ireland the Palestinian issue cannot be resolved by force, nor can it be made to disappear.

It will not be resolved, but it will disappear one day.

HotRodDeluxe said:



HotRodDeluxe,

So what's your point? Scriptural evidence is not evidence. I suppose you believe the world was made in seven days too.

I have no idea who Hannibal Barca was supposed to be. But unless he
was as an important historical figure, as Abraham, who has been
instrumental in the creation of three major religions of the world
today, that continue to war with and slaughter each other, I see no
reason for any historian to waste any time "disputing" the existence
of Hannibal Barca.

There are, however, many very credible historians who do dispute the
existence of King David and Abraham. You really should read "The
invention of the Jewish People" by Shlomo Sand, Professor of History
at Tel Aviv University. The book was in the best-seller list in
Israel for nineteen weeks, and reprinted three times.

Oh I bet you, being a history buff, have already read it.

"The Invention of the Jewish People" has now been translated into
more languages than any other Israeli history book.


Sand began his work by looking for research studies about forcible
exile of Jews from the area now bordered by modern Israel, and its
surrounding regions. He was astonished that he could find no such
literature, he says, given that the expulsion of Jews from the region
is viewed as a constitutive event in Jewish history. The conclusion
he came to from his subsequent investigation is that the expulsion
simply didn't happen, that no one exiled the Jewish people from the
region, and that the Diaspora is essentially a modern invention.

Controversial? Of course! There are a lot of people who don't want
this kind of information to be common knowledge.

The point being that scriptural evidence is often all there is extant regarding historical figures. I made that quite plain earlier.




No, I don't, and there is no need for such a bucolic response.




Hannibal, the Carthaginian general who crossed the alps and invaded Italy and almost brought the downfall of Rome. That being said, the logic behind the 'there is no physical evidence, then the figure doesn't exist' argument is false. You clearly missed my point.




Really? And who might they be?



Populist fringe history

Israel Bartal, dean of the Faculty of Humanities at the Hebrew University, in a commentary published in Haaretz, writes that Sand's basic thesis and statements about Jewish historiography are "baseless". Bartal answers to "Sand's arguments (...) that no historian of the Jewish national movement has ever really believed that the origins of the Jews are ethnically and biologically "pure" [and that] Sand applies marginal positions to the entire body of Jewish historiography and, in doing so, denies the existence of the central positions in Jewish historical scholarship." Bartal refers to Sand's overall treatment of Jewish sources as "embarrassing and humiliating." He adds that "The kind of political intervention Sand is talking about, namely, a deliberate program designed to make Israelis forget the true biological origins of the Jews of Poland and Russia or a directive for the promotion of the story of the Jews' exile from their homeland is pure fantasy." Bartel summarizes his critique of Sand's characterization of Jewish historiography as follows: "as far as I can discern, the book contains not even one idea that has not been presented earlier in their books and articles by what he insists on defining as "authorized historians" suspected of "concealing historical truth,"" and calls the overall work "bizarre and incoherent."[9] For a full updated version of Bartal's review see now Zion 76 (2011), pp. 509-521.



BA in Ancient History and the Classics with a GPA of 6.7 out of 7 in one of the most prestigious universities in the world.



So? 'Chariots of the Gods' enjoyed similar status, but is still a crock of ****.




He clearly ignored the Roman sources (Dio Cassius & Eusebius of Caesarea inter alios).



This often occurs when specious crap is published.

I wouldn't be too sure about that....