Topic: FACT SHEET: 45 YEARS OF OCCUPATION
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Mon 06/11/12 05:02 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 06/11/12 05:04 PM
When I say that explosives of some kind took down the twin towers, you "so called scientists" always say:

"There was no evidence of explosives of any kind found."

So now you are saying "Lack of evidence is not evidence?"

Make up your minds.

So now can you prove that the twin towers came down without the use of any explosives?

Can you prove that there were absolutely NO EXPLOSIVES AT ALL involved?




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Mon 06/11/12 05:04 PM


Lack of evidence is not evidence, this is, of course, true. (I never said it was.) But I do not need evidence to prove someone or something did or does not exist, speaking scientifically.


I just can't help it. This is so funny on so many levels.laugh


It should be for you because it is something you have said often.
If you make a claim that something exists, or existed-- that is when you need evidence.

Where would you get evidence for something that does not exist?laugh


I don't believe that I have said that once. Please quote one since you find so many.

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Mon 06/11/12 05:05 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 06/11/12 05:06 PM



Lack of evidence is not evidence, this is, of course, true. (I never said it was.) But I do not need evidence to prove someone or something did or does not exist, speaking scientifically.


I just can't help it. This is so funny on so many levels.laugh


It should be for you because it is something you have said often.
If you make a claim that something exists, or existed-- that is when you need evidence.

Where would you get evidence for something that does not exist?laugh


I don't believe that I have said that once. Please quote one since you find so many.


For 9/11

"There was no evidence of explosives of found."

I hear that stuff on the science forum constantly.


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Mon 06/11/12 05:05 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 06/11/12 05:27 PM
Here is a better article about the copper mine they found. I read it and I'm not surprised that they don't really have any actual artifact that suggests who owned or operated the copper mine. I might add, that copper mines in that area and in Africa are not that uncommon.

That it may have been owned by the Biblical Solomon is just someone's wishful thinking. The mine itself could have been owned by anyone and the stories of Solomon could have still been pure fiction.

Also, no one has yet ever pinned down the actual time that King David lived. The reason is .... because he didn't.


King Solomon's (Copper) Mines?

http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/newsrel/soc/10-22KingSolomon.asp

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Mon 06/11/12 05:13 PM



What would I be "prejudice" against? The Jewish religion? --Not possible since I know nothing about it, and I don't have any concern over what gods people want to worship ---The race of white European Jews? ---Not possible since they are just as white as me. We are both Caucasians, the same race. No prejudice there.


Well at least I agree that you know nothing about it!

laugh

So why would you try to discuss Jews if you don't know anything about
the religion?!?



Because apparently being a "Jew" today has little to do with Judaism.
Most of being a Jew in Israel has to do with having a white European Jewish mother. They don't care what religion you practice.

I know plenty of people who do not practice Judaism and yet still claim to be "Jewish." Well if that is what they want to claim, far be it from me to tell them they are not. It is apparently not about their religion.



Racially, you are simply wrong. The interesting results of the DNA
analysis accepted all over the world by all credible scientists
shows that Jews of all races have a common genetic ancestry traced
to the middle east. But you feel you know better than the biologists
and geneticists and the demographers. Although you have studied none
of it and only fall back on classic antisemitic stereotypical canards.


European Jews are white skinned anyone can see that if they have eyes. I think I know Caucasian when I see it. I have no need to "study" any biased genetic ancestry traced to anywhere, and I have no reason to believe any such thing. I don't feel I "know better" than some unknown "biologist or geneticist" but I am certainly smart enough to know what "race" is. You should learn what it is.

It is about skin color and not about tribal genes or DNA. DUH!!!laugh


I am sorry if this appears too frank but I think you really should
understand that this is how you are interacting here and in similar
threads.
flowerforyou



You don't know what you are talking about.


slaphead

Jews are those who practice the relgion Judaism. Almost all of them
share a common genetic trait which links them biologically. You have
no qualifications to discuss race or biology and you are spouting
complete nonsense.

You have missed the point of the genetic evidence and try repeatedly
to insinuate that the Jews from Europe (even though they also
practice the same Judaism and are genetically linked to other Jews around
the world) are significantly "less Jewish" which is just hogwash.

laugh

But of course you know nothing about Judaism or Jews so it makes no
sense for you to attack them. Yet you do it repeatedly. At least
you acknowledge that you have no basis for your attacks.

drinker


The basis for my criticism is Zionism. If you are claiming that a Jew is a person that practices Judaism then those who claim to be "Jewish" and yet do not practice Judaism are liars.

If you are claiming that all these Jews who allegedly practice Judaism are related or the same "race" then you are just blind.



Jews practice Judaism and also have children. Children of Jewish
people are also born Jewish. They also share a genetic tie.

laugh

whoa

Modern DNA analysis does in fact show that Jews from a number of
different races and cultures from all over the world including
European Jews, Russsian Jews, American Jews, Mexican Jews, Iranian
Jews, African Jews and Asian Jews have common middle eastern
ancestry. You just choose to ignore the verified scientific results
of the DNA analysis because of your pre-existing prejudice against
Jews.

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Mon 06/11/12 05:19 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 06/11/12 05:21 PM




What would I be "prejudice" against? The Jewish religion? --Not possible since I know nothing about it, and I don't have any concern over what gods people want to worship ---The race of white European Jews? ---Not possible since they are just as white as me. We are both Caucasians, the same race. No prejudice there.


Well at least I agree that you know nothing about it!

laugh

So why would you try to discuss Jews if you don't know anything about
the religion?!?



Because apparently being a "Jew" today has little to do with Judaism.
Most of being a Jew in Israel has to do with having a white European Jewish mother. They don't care what religion you practice.

I know plenty of people who do not practice Judaism and yet still claim to be "Jewish." Well if that is what they want to claim, far be it from me to tell them they are not. It is apparently not about their religion.



Racially, you are simply wrong. The interesting results of the DNA
analysis accepted all over the world by all credible scientists
shows that Jews of all races have a common genetic ancestry traced
to the middle east. But you feel you know better than the biologists
and geneticists and the demographers. Although you have studied none
of it and only fall back on classic antisemitic stereotypical canards.


European Jews are white skinned anyone can see that if they have eyes. I think I know Caucasian when I see it. I have no need to "study" any biased genetic ancestry traced to anywhere, and I have no reason to believe any such thing. I don't feel I "know better" than some unknown "biologist or geneticist" but I am certainly smart enough to know what "race" is. You should learn what it is.

It is about skin color and not about tribal genes or DNA. DUH!!!laugh


I am sorry if this appears too frank but I think you really should
understand that this is how you are interacting here and in similar
threads.
flowerforyou



You don't know what you are talking about.


slaphead

Jews are those who practice the relgion Judaism. Almost all of them
share a common genetic trait which links them biologically. You have
no qualifications to discuss race or biology and you are spouting
complete nonsense.

You have missed the point of the genetic evidence and try repeatedly
to insinuate that the Jews from Europe (even though they also
practice the same Judaism and are genetically linked to other Jews around
the world) are significantly "less Jewish" which is just hogwash.

laugh

But of course you know nothing about Judaism or Jews so it makes no
sense for you to attack them. Yet you do it repeatedly. At least
you acknowledge that you have no basis for your attacks.

drinker


The basis for my criticism is Zionism. If you are claiming that a Jew is a person that practices Judaism then those who claim to be "Jewish" and yet do not practice Judaism are liars.

If you are claiming that all these Jews who allegedly practice Judaism are related or the same "race" then you are just blind.



Jews practice Judaism and also have children. Children of Jewish
people are also born Jewish. They also share a genetic tie.

laugh

whoa

Modern DNA analysis does in fact show that Jews from a number of
different races and cultures from all over the world including
European Jews, Russsian Jews, American Jews, Mexican Jews, Iranian
Jews, African Jews and Asian Jews have common middle eastern
ancestry. You just choose to ignore the verified scientific results
of the DNA analysis because of your pre-existing prejudice against
Jews.



I think everyone has also heard that all people of the entire earth have a common ancestry that leads back to Africa and the Middle east which are very close to each other.

That means nothing at all.

The "middle east" may well have been the cradle of all mankind, so all people could be traced back there.

This does NOT MEAN that anyone can just decide to go in there after thousands of years and say, "Hey I'm back!" Move out, we are taking over this place!!"

That is what the European white race of "Jews" are doing. That is called "Zionism."

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Mon 06/11/12 06:13 PM
Edited by s1owhand on Mon 06/11/12 06:17 PM





What would I be "prejudice" against? The Jewish religion? --Not possible since I know nothing about it, and I don't have any concern over what gods people want to worship ---The race of white European Jews? ---Not possible since they are just as white as me. We are both Caucasians, the same race. No prejudice there.


Well at least I agree that you know nothing about it!

laugh

So why would you try to discuss Jews if you don't know anything about
the religion?!?



Because apparently being a "Jew" today has little to do with Judaism.
Most of being a Jew in Israel has to do with having a white European Jewish mother. They don't care what religion you practice.

I know plenty of people who do not practice Judaism and yet still claim to be "Jewish." Well if that is what they want to claim, far be it from me to tell them they are not. It is apparently not about their religion.



Racially, you are simply wrong. The interesting results of the DNA
analysis accepted all over the world by all credible scientists
shows that Jews of all races have a common genetic ancestry traced
to the middle east. But you feel you know better than the biologists
and geneticists and the demographers. Although you have studied none
of it and only fall back on classic antisemitic stereotypical canards.


European Jews are white skinned anyone can see that if they have eyes. I think I know Caucasian when I see it. I have no need to "study" any biased genetic ancestry traced to anywhere, and I have no reason to believe any such thing. I don't feel I "know better" than some unknown "biologist or geneticist" but I am certainly smart enough to know what "race" is. You should learn what it is.

It is about skin color and not about tribal genes or DNA. DUH!!!laugh


I am sorry if this appears too frank but I think you really should
understand that this is how you are interacting here and in similar
threads.
flowerforyou



You don't know what you are talking about.


slaphead

Jews are those who practice the relgion Judaism. Almost all of them
share a common genetic trait which links them biologically. You have
no qualifications to discuss race or biology and you are spouting
complete nonsense.

You have missed the point of the genetic evidence and try repeatedly
to insinuate that the Jews from Europe (even though they also
practice the same Judaism and are genetically linked to other Jews around
the world) are significantly "less Jewish" which is just hogwash.

laugh

But of course you know nothing about Judaism or Jews so it makes no
sense for you to attack them. Yet you do it repeatedly. At least
you acknowledge that you have no basis for your attacks.

drinker


The basis for my criticism is Zionism. If you are claiming that a Jew is a person that practices Judaism then those who claim to be "Jewish" and yet do not practice Judaism are liars.

If you are claiming that all these Jews who allegedly practice Judaism are related or the same "race" then you are just blind.



Jews practice Judaism and also have children. Children of Jewish
people are also born Jewish. They also share a genetic tie.

laugh

whoa

Modern DNA analysis does in fact show that Jews from a number of
different races and cultures from all over the world including
European Jews, Russsian Jews, American Jews, Mexican Jews, Iranian
Jews, African Jews and Asian Jews have common middle eastern
ancestry. You just choose to ignore the verified scientific results
of the DNA analysis because of your pre-existing prejudice against
Jews.



I think everyone has also heard that all people of the entire earth have a common ancestry that leads back to Africa and the Middle east which are very close to each other.

That means nothing at all.

The "middle east" may well have been the cradle of all mankind, so all people could be traced back there.

This does NOT MEAN that anyone can just decide to go in there after thousands of years and say, "Hey I'm back!" Move out, we are taking over this place!!"

That is what the European white race of "Jews" are doing. That is called "Zionism."


Except you also do not know your history of the region and fail to
understand that these same Jews were present in Israel and in the
neighboring countries all along. Many of the Jews in Israel were
there all along, forced to and from neighboring countries like Iran and
Jordan and Iraq and Syria and then welcomed their fellow persecuted
Jewish refugees from WWII in their time of desperate need back
home.

It was Turkish just prior to that...

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Mon 06/11/12 06:45 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 06/11/12 06:54 PM
Except you also do not know your history of the region and fail to understand that these same Jews were present in Israel and in the
neighboring countries all along. Many of the Jews in Israel were
there all along, forced to and from neighboring countries like Iran and
Jordan and Iraq and Syria and then welcomed their fellow persecuted
Jewish refugees from WWII in their time of desperate need back
home.

It was Turkish just prior to that...



These very same Jews? That's really hilarious.laugh laugh laugh

Lets be clear about what Jews you are referring to.... White, black or brown?



They would have to be hundreds of years old to have been there all along, or have any rights to the land..... rofl rofl

No, they were NOT "there all along." laugh For generations they lived elsewhere. That's right.....elsewhere... for GENERATIONS.

Everyone in the entire world can trace their DNA back to the Middle East and Africa. That does not mean that everyone in the world "lived there all along."

That is where the ape man first ventured out of the African Jungle and decided to live on the ground. Hey all of our ancestors can be traced back to Africa and the Middle east. So freaking what???

From there, in case you didn't notice, people lived a lot of different places.

This does NOT MEAN that anyone can just decide to go in there after thousands of years and say, "Hey move out, we are taking over this place because I think my ancestors used to live here!!"

Get serious. You people and all of this nonsense does not make any logical sense at all. Its COMPLETELY ridiculous.








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Mon 06/11/12 07:34 PM
laugh

Ancient Israel is famous. It was the original homeland for the Jews.
They founded it and it was one of the great civilizations of antiquity
and one of the earliest documented societies.

The Jews built Jerusalem and the Temple mount and Hebron. Jews farmed
the soil of the Jordan valley and resisted the Romans.

Jews have lived there ever since.

Only natural that they return home when threatened to a place where
they are free and safe from religious persecution and attempts at
genocide and screwball antisemitism.

Jews share a close genetic link. Even Jews of all colors.

laugh

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Mon 06/11/12 07:56 PM

laugh

Ancient Israel is famous. It was the original homeland for the Jews.
They founded it and it was one of the great civilizations of antiquity
and one of the earliest documented societies.

The Jews built Jerusalem and the Temple mount and Hebron. Jews farmed
the soil of the Jordan valley and resisted the Romans.

Jews have lived there ever since.

Only natural that they return home when threatened to a place where
they are free and safe from religious persecution and attempts at
genocide and screwball antisemitism.

Jews share a close genetic link. Even Jews of all colors.

laugh






None of that has anything to do with the current Zionist political movement. It's just stuff they use for propaganda purposes.

And what a crock of crap.

Even the meaning of the term "Jew" has changed since ancient times. It is not even a religion anymore for most people who call themselves Jewish.

So go tell it to the wall.






metalwing's photo
Mon 06/11/12 08:09 PM

When I say that explosives of some kind took down the twin towers, you "so called scientists" always say:

"There was no evidence of explosives of any kind found."

So now you are saying "Lack of evidence is not evidence?"

Make up your minds.

So now can you prove that the twin towers came down without the use of any explosives?

Can you prove that there were absolutely NO EXPLOSIVES AT ALL involved?






I actually have posted the answer to that several times. The columns rotated right before failure as would happen in catenary failure. There is no version of explosives being used that would cause column rotation and the rotation is proof of the catenary. The rotation is clearly caught on various videos and if you didn't understand that any of the other times, there isn't much chance you will understand it now. Science is not your strong suit.

Positive proof that the towers fell a certain way tells the story. The FACT that there is absolutely no contrary evidence is something you just don't understand. There is apparently nothing about the event that you understand just like this topic.

You seem to have a need to prove all science wrong apparently because you don't understand any of it.... which makes your post saying "scientifically speaking" really funny.:smile:

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Mon 06/11/12 08:21 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 06/11/12 08:23 PM


When I say that explosives of some kind took down the twin towers, you "so called scientists" always say:

"There was no evidence of explosives of any kind found."

So now you are saying "Lack of evidence is not evidence?"

Make up your minds.

So now can you prove that the twin towers came down without the use of any explosives?

Can you prove that there were absolutely NO EXPLOSIVES AT ALL involved?






I actually have posted the answer to that several times. The columns rotated right before failure as would happen in catenary failure. There is no version of explosives being used that would cause column rotation and the rotation is proof of the catenary. The rotation is clearly caught on various videos and if you didn't understand that any of the other times, there isn't much chance you will understand it now. Science is not your strong suit.


Its not your strong suit either.

Positive proof that the towers fell a certain way tells the story. The FACT that there is absolutely no contrary evidence is something you just don't understand. There is apparently nothing about the event that you understand just like this topic.


There is no "positive proof." Even according to the official reports of building #7 the facts are not right. The 12th floor did not burn long enough or hot enough.

You seem to have a need to prove all science wrong apparently because you don't understand any of it.... which makes your post saying "scientifically speaking" really funny.:smile:


Hotroddelux thinks, for some reason, that I am obligated to prove that King David did NOT exist.

But, unless someone can actually prove or provide credible evidence that King David did exist, then I am perfectly justified in making the claim that King David is pure fiction and did not exist.

He seems to think that just because it was written in a book that we should assume that those characters were real and anyone claiming that they were not real should have to present evidence.

Hey you guys can't have it both ways, sorry.

Science is no big mystery metalwing. I understand plenty of it. I just don't believe the people investigating 9/11 are being honest. Sorry. I believe they fabricated the data and are mostly just guessing.

I believe that the "science" used for 9/11 is fraudulent. (The data was fabricated.)








metalwing's photo
Mon 06/11/12 08:32 PM



When I say that explosives of some kind took down the twin towers, you "so called scientists" always say:

"There was no evidence of explosives of any kind found."

So now you are saying "Lack of evidence is not evidence?"

Make up your minds.

So now can you prove that the twin towers came down without the use of any explosives?

Can you prove that there were absolutely NO EXPLOSIVES AT ALL involved?






I actually have posted the answer to that several times. The columns rotated right before failure as would happen in catenary failure. There is no version of explosives being used that would cause column rotation and the rotation is proof of the catenary. The rotation is clearly caught on various videos and if you didn't understand that any of the other times, there isn't much chance you will understand it now. Science is not your strong suit.


Its not your strong suit either.

Positive proof that the towers fell a certain way tells the story. The FACT that there is absolutely no contrary evidence is something you just don't understand. There is apparently nothing about the event that you understand just like this topic.


There is no "positive proof." Even according to the official reports of building #7 the facts are not right. The 12th floor did not burn long enough or hot enough.

You seem to have a need to prove all science wrong apparently because you don't understand any of it.... which makes your post saying "scientifically speaking" really funny.:smile:


Hotroddelux thinks, for some reason, that I am obligated to prove that King David did NOT exist.

But, unless someone can actually prove or provide credible evidence that King David did exist, then I am perfectly justified in making the claim that King David is pure fiction and did not exist.

He seems to think that just because it was written in a book that we should assume that those characters were real and anyone claiming that they were not real should have to present evidence.

Hey you guys can't have it both ways, sorry.

Science is no big mystery metalwing. I understand plenty of it. I just don't believe the people investigating 9/11 are being honest. Sorry. I believe they fabricated the data and are mostly just guessing.

I believe that the "science" used for 9/11 is fraudulent. (The data was fabricated.)










You don't understand any of it and cannot hold an intelligent discussion about it, but you do try diligently to spread as much false information as possible.

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Mon 06/11/12 09:09 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 06/11/12 09:11 PM
Metalwing,

IF your scientific explanation of how the twin towers fell was really conclusive and "proof positive" then there would not be this massive number of engineers, professionals, scientists and thousands of average working people involved in the 9/11 truth movement disagreeing with that hypothesis.

If your scientific "proof" was any good or if had enough merit then no one could dispute it. Everyone would be satisfied.

There would be NO UNANSWERED QUESTIONS AT ALL.

But that is simply not the case.

Therefore, it is not convincing anyone. Using the mantra that "nobody understands" is not going to cut it anymore.



Conrad_73's photo
Tue 06/12/12 02:25 AM



When I say that explosives of some kind took down the twin towers, you "so called scientists" always say:

"There was no evidence of explosives of any kind found."

So now you are saying "Lack of evidence is not evidence?"

Make up your minds.

So now can you prove that the twin towers came down without the use of any explosives?

Can you prove that there were absolutely NO EXPLOSIVES AT ALL involved?






I actually have posted the answer to that several times. The columns rotated right before failure as would happen in catenary failure. There is no version of explosives being used that would cause column rotation and the rotation is proof of the catenary. The rotation is clearly caught on various videos and if you didn't understand that any of the other times, there isn't much chance you will understand it now. Science is not your strong suit.


Its not your strong suit either.

Positive proof that the towers fell a certain way tells the story. The FACT that there is absolutely no contrary evidence is something you just don't understand. There is apparently nothing about the event that you understand just like this topic.


There is no "positive proof." Even according to the official reports of building #7 the facts are not right. The 12th floor did not burn long enough or hot enough.

You seem to have a need to prove all science wrong apparently because you don't understand any of it.... which makes your post saying "scientifically speaking" really funny.:smile:


Hotroddelux thinks, for some reason, that I am obligated to prove that King David did NOT exist.

But, unless someone can actually prove or provide credible evidence that King David did exist, then I am perfectly justified in making the claim that King David is pure fiction and did not exist.

He seems to think that just because it was written in a book that we should assume that those characters were real and anyone claiming that they were not real should have to present evidence.

Hey you guys can't have it both ways, sorry.

Science is no big mystery metalwing. I understand plenty of it. I just don't believe the people investigating 9/11 are being honest. Sorry. I believe they fabricated the data and are mostly just guessing.

I believe that the "science" used for 9/11 is fraudulent. (The data was fabricated.)








you make the Claims!
About David,about 9/11,so it is incumbent to you to prove it with Facts,not assumptions you thought up yourself!
Nope physical Facts!
If you make claims,you're held to the same as anyone else!
Prove it with Objective,not Subjective Facts!

Optomistic69's photo
Tue 06/12/12 04:00 AM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Tue 06/12/12 04:17 AM



@ Slowhand
Children of Jewish people are also born Jewish....????




I was born of parents that were practicing Catholics ,that didn't make me a Catholic.

My Religious Upbringing was Catholic but I have not practiced Catholicism since I became an adult, so I am no more a Catholic than David was a Kinglaugh

What would a child be if a Jewish woman had a child with an Islamic Father. ? Chosen and Pure

Optomistic69's photo
Tue 06/12/12 04:04 AM




When I say that explosives of some kind took down the twin towers, you "so called scientists" always say:

"There was no evidence of explosives of any kind found."

So now you are saying "Lack of evidence is not evidence?"

Make up your minds.

So now can you prove that the twin towers came down without the use of any explosives?

Can you prove that there were absolutely NO EXPLOSIVES AT ALL involved?






I actually have posted the answer to that several times. The columns rotated right before failure as would happen in catenary failure. There is no version of explosives being used that would cause column rotation and the rotation is proof of the catenary. The rotation is clearly caught on various videos and if you didn't understand that any of the other times, there isn't much chance you will understand it now. Science is not your strong suit.


Its not your strong suit either.

Positive proof that the towers fell a certain way tells the story. The FACT that there is absolutely no contrary evidence is something you just don't understand. There is apparently nothing about the event that you understand just like this topic.


There is no "positive proof." Even according to the official reports of building #7 the facts are not right. The 12th floor did not burn long enough or hot enough.

You seem to have a need to prove all science wrong apparently because you don't understand any of it.... which makes your post saying "scientifically speaking" really funny.:smile:


Hotroddelux thinks, for some reason, that I am obligated to prove that King David did NOT exist.

But, unless someone can actually prove or provide credible evidence that King David did exist, then I am perfectly justified in making the claim that King David is pure fiction and did not exist.

He seems to think that just because it was written in a book that we should assume that those characters were real and anyone claiming that they were not real should have to present evidence.

Hey you guys can't have it both ways, sorry.

Science is no big mystery metalwing. I understand plenty of it. I just don't believe the people investigating 9/11 are being honest. Sorry. I believe they fabricated the data and are mostly just guessing.

I believe that the "science" used for 9/11 is fraudulent. (The data was fabricated.)








you make the Claims!
About David,about 9/11,so it is incumbent to you to prove it with Facts,not assumptions you thought up yourself!
Nope physical Facts!
If you make claims,you're held to the same as anyone else!
Prove it with Objective,not Subjective Facts!


Jeannie does not have to prove anything.
You disagree with her so lets have proof positive from you.



Optomistic69's photo
Tue 06/12/12 04:30 AM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Tue 06/12/12 04:31 AM

Metalwing,

IF your scientific explanation of how the twin towers fell was really conclusive and "proof positive" then there would not be this massive number of engineers, professionals, scientists and thousands of average working people involved in the 9/11 truth movement disagreeing with that hypothesis.

If your scientific "proof" was any good or if had enough merit then no one could dispute it. Everyone would be satisfied.

There would be NO UNANSWERED QUESTIONS AT ALL.

But that is simply not the case.

Therefore, it is not convincing anyone. Using the mantra that "nobody understands" is not going to cut it anymore.





The above post is worth re-posting.

Until there is total Transparency from those that Govern us Questions will always be asked.

As usual there are always more Questions than answers and those that Question the Questioners instead of Questioning the Perpetrators of Propaganda/Deceit/Cover-up.

To Quote Jeannie


"Therefore, it is not convincing anyone. Using the mantra that "nobody understands" is not going to cut it anymore."






s1owhand's photo
Tue 06/12/12 04:54 AM






What would I be "prejudice" against? The Jewish religion? --Not possible since I know nothing about it, and I don't have any concern over what gods people want to worship ---The race of white European Jews? ---Not possible since they are just as white as me. We are both Caucasians, the same race. No prejudice there.


Well at least I agree that you know nothing about it!

laugh

So why would you try to discuss Jews if you don't know anything about
the religion?!?



Because apparently being a "Jew" today has little to do with Judaism.
Most of being a Jew in Israel has to do with having a white European Jewish mother. They don't care what religion you practice.

I know plenty of people who do not practice Judaism and yet still claim to be "Jewish." Well if that is what they want to claim, far be it from me to tell them they are not. It is apparently not about their religion.



Racially, you are simply wrong. The interesting results of the DNA
analysis accepted all over the world by all credible scientists
shows that Jews of all races have a common genetic ancestry traced
to the middle east. But you feel you know better than the biologists
and geneticists and the demographers. Although you have studied none
of it and only fall back on classic antisemitic stereotypical canards.


European Jews are white skinned anyone can see that if they have eyes. I think I know Caucasian when I see it. I have no need to "study" any biased genetic ancestry traced to anywhere, and I have no reason to believe any such thing. I don't feel I "know better" than some unknown "biologist or geneticist" but I am certainly smart enough to know what "race" is. You should learn what it is.

It is about skin color and not about tribal genes or DNA. DUH!!!laugh


I am sorry if this appears too frank but I think you really should
understand that this is how you are interacting here and in similar
threads.
flowerforyou



You don't know what you are talking about.


slaphead

Jews are those who practice the relgion Judaism. Almost all of them
share a common genetic trait which links them biologically. You have
no qualifications to discuss race or biology and you are spouting
complete nonsense.

You have missed the point of the genetic evidence and try repeatedly
to insinuate that the Jews from Europe (even though they also
practice the same Judaism and are genetically linked to other Jews around
the world) are significantly "less Jewish" which is just hogwash.

laugh

But of course you know nothing about Judaism or Jews so it makes no
sense for you to attack them. Yet you do it repeatedly. At least
you acknowledge that you have no basis for your attacks.

drinker


The basis for my criticism is Zionism. If you are claiming that a Jew is a person that practices Judaism then those who claim to be "Jewish" and yet do not practice Judaism are liars.

If you are claiming that all these Jews who allegedly practice Judaism are related or the same "race" then you are just blind.



Jews practice Judaism and also have children. Children of Jewish
people are also born Jewish. They also share a genetic tie.

laugh

whoa

Modern DNA analysis does in fact show that Jews from a number of
different races and cultures from all over the world including
European Jews, Russsian Jews, American Jews, Mexican Jews, Iranian
Jews, African Jews and Asian Jews have common middle eastern
ancestry. You just choose to ignore the verified scientific results
of the DNA analysis because of your pre-existing prejudice against
Jews.



I think everyone has also heard that all people of the entire earth have a common ancestry that leads back to Africa and the Middle east which are very close to each other.

That means nothing at all.

The "middle east" may well have been the cradle of all mankind, so all people could be traced back there.

This does NOT MEAN that anyone can just decide to go in there after thousands of years and say, "Hey I'm back!" Move out, we are taking over this place!!"

That is what the European white race of "Jews" are doing. That is called "Zionism."


Except you also do not know your history of the region and fail to
understand that these same Jews were present in Israel and in the
neighboring countries all along. Many of the Jews in Israel were
there all along, forced to and from neighboring countries like Iran and
Jordan and Iraq and Syria and then welcomed their fellow persecuted
Jewish refugees from WWII in their time of desperate need back
home.

It was Turkish just prior to that...



@ Slowhand
Children of Jewish people are also born Jewish....????

I was born of parents that were practicing Catholics ,that didn't make me a Catholic.

My Religious Upbringing was Catholic but I have not practiced Catholicism since I became an adult, so I am no more a Catholic than David was a King: laugh:

What would a child be if a Jewish woman had a child with an Islamic Father. ? Chosen and Pure



Well I would say you were born Catholic but later decided that
Catholicism wasn't for you. That's fine. I respect your choice.
Many if not most people do not reject the religion of their parents
when they grow up.

In marriages with people from two different religious backgrounds
usually the children are accepted by either religion and it is up
to the parents to decide which religion they wish to follow if any.
For most marriages between people with different religious beliefs
religion just isn't very important to them or otherwise they would
have found a mate with similar religious beliefs or one of the
parents would convert. So children of mixed marriages are both
religions and have genetic makeup from both religious groups.

There is no reason to deny that kids born to Jewish parents aren't
Jewish.

laugh

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Well I would say you were born Catholic but later decided that
Catholicism wasn't for you. That's fine. I respect your choice.
Many if not most people do not reject the religion of their parents
when they grow up.

In marriages with people from two different religious backgrounds
usually the children are accepted by either religion and it is up
to the parents to decide which religion they wish to follow if any.
For most marriages between people with different religious beliefs
religion just isn't very important to them or otherwise they would
have found a mate with similar religious beliefs or one of the
parents would convert. So children of mixed marriages are both
religions and have genetic makeup from both religious groups.

There is no reason to deny that kids born to Jewish parents aren't
Jewish.

laugh





I wasn't born Catholic...I was born..no stamp on my forehead

I didn't reject the religion of my parents...I simply rejected religion....I have been a free thinker since I reached the use of reason.

Religion is for those who need to be guided.

I have seen the light.drinker