To some people, "outsiders" are gay people. I do not hate them one bit. Yet, others do. Those people most likely learned to hate them from their parents/church/people they spent time with.

So, you've hated women your entire life?

I actually agree with Spider that the feeling of hate is natural. However, I don't believe that everything natural is good.

And for the person who claimed that bigotry against homosexuals doesn't hurt anybody, what world are you living in? The name Ryan White comes to mind. And so many others.

i never said she was wrong for what she believes, i said she was wrong for not letting others believe what they want. can you see the difference there? i'm guessing no, because we are even having this conversation, but i'll try one last time...

not always, spider is right on this... while most hate is taught from their surroundings, some kids are just born with it. with the singing kid here however, i feel it was taught to him from the church itself, but that is what they believe and were taught by their parents.

hate is a natural emotion... just as being happy is ... same as being scared, or cautious. kids may learn some forms of hate, but the root of it is still there... did you hate any bugs as a kid? did you hate spiders or snakes? did you hate going to the doctor? your trying to say the parents taught them that kind of hate?

I agree that "hate comes natural", but that statement should be qualified...Everyone is born with the "capacity" to hate, but not the "instinct" to hate...Hate stems from cultural factors, learned biases, and lack of understanding...Parents are not the only ones who can teach their children to hate, life teaches hate...I think a parents responsibility is to teach their child how and why NOT to hate...

You'll have to keep trying...

She never said she wouldn't let people believe what they want.

You changed "respect" to "belief" as if that makes your claim any stronger. Fact is, you called her a hypocrite for not "respecting" other's beliefs while you do not respect hers...

Re-read what she wrote and tell me if you can see the difference... Probrably not...

Just had that discussion with my son and he agrees with you.

The hate I am talking about is the kind that is portrayed by racists and homophobics.

Hate is a powerful word and is overused in many cases....

I hate Strawberries......how can you hate strawberries.

I hate Homosexuals ...that is a whole different kettle of fish.


I do not hate anybody by the way

I agree with that completely. Xenophobia helped us to get where we are, but it is counter to the society that we are trying to build today. I'm just making a point that xenophobia is genetic to people whose ancestors lived in areas where outsiders sometimes visited. We shouldn't be too hard on the xenophobic, as those survival traits helped us build society today.

I agree with everything but the bold part. Many people carry genes that make them xenophobic. It's a survival trait, just like sickle cell is a survival trait or dark skin or facial hair.

I think it's obvious that the kid didn't even know what he was saying. I doubt he has any emotions behind what he was saying, other than pride for the attention he received.

That's a real knee slapper, but I don't know if it deserved seven "rofl".

I think this is more appropriate:

Actually, I would like to change my mind and say I believe you are right again Spider...I believe the "instinct" to hate also comes with the package...Leave research completely out of the arguement and common sense will tell you it is too easy to give in to hate so it must be a natural instinct.... We have all experienced it to some degree, we are just not that willing to own up ....

Hate is not a natural instinct. It is a learned behavior.
Most well balanced children are curious and outgoing by nature.
We have to teach our children to be wary of strangers offering candy don't we?

In 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 the Apostle Paul states, "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."(ESV)

In the above-quoted statement, Paul mentions certain behaviors that are condemned by God. Is it an act of hatred to tell others what Paul said about those particular behaviors?

As I see it, plenty of people don't want to hear or read that certain behaviors are unacceptable to God. So, they "shoot the messenger" by accusing the messenger of hatred.

Having said that, I still consider the incident mentioned in the OP to be inappropriate and ungracious. I would have been appalled if I had witnessed something like that in a church.

In the above-quoted statement, Paul gives a small sample of sinful behaviors that are the products of godlessness. If Paul had expanded that list to include every sinful behavior, then the list would include something that every god-fearing person is guilty of.

The incident mentioned in the OP is troublesome to me because it refers to 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, but it leaves out 1 Corinthians 6:11. In his statement, Paul says that some of the Christians in Corinth had been guilty of the above-mentioned sinful behaviors, but those Christians were no longer condemned by God because "you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

In other words, not one sinful behavior mentioned by Paul is the unpardonable sin, not even homosexual behavior. Thus, it is an error to claim that a person who engages in homosexual behavior can never receive spiritual redemption. In the New Testament, salvation does not depend on one's sexual orientation. That is why it is possible for someone sexually attracted to others of the same gender to be a Christian.

Everyone seems to understand what I was saying except for Moe.

Be careful what you say cause the kids might repeat it.This kid is an example of this.

I reject your reality and accept my own.

I just can't buy into anyone being born hateful....
infants, babies, children are the purest
most innocent of our species.
We destroy their trust and unconditional love by
being lousy examples..teaching them to hate.

There is that parameter of children born to loving, supportive yet structured families that maim, hurt, and harm other to incomprehension of their own families as to why these children act the way they do. People are born without compassion, people are born with instinct to kill, and people are also born loving and caring. Children born with sentiments, but there is the nurture aspect as well. The nuturing comprehension remains dependent upon how the child receives that information based on the natural personality.