A couple of things here:

1. About history, and the lack of existing documents proving it, yes it would have been a long time ago you are right msharmony. But here's the thing, if God wanted us to be able to trace back its' own history, the most important history that our souls would depend on knowing and understanding, why on earth would it allow any of it to go missing?

If YOU wanted your kids to have a history of your family, would you not take great care to ensure that all the important things were preserved? Of course you would! Yet God somehow failed to do this? I find that ridiculous and insulting of a divine being, that'd it somehow be incapable of that.

2. It was brought up earlier that the language has changed since Biblical times when it comes to understanding the Bible. Again I will simply ask you, if God wanted us to be able to understand these eternal truths, truths that again our souls rested on knowing, would it not ensure that ALL generations had a simple means to understand it, without having to do a million different things? If it didn't, it's either incompetent, or just plain deceitful, and God is neither of those things to me. Why would it make it all so complicated for knowing we had to know this? It wouldn't.

So with that line of thinking, then MORALS can go out the window as well.
Where did we possibly get them.
We made them up ourselves since most of us are good humans?

Me, myself and I have should become even much more prevalent.
Since we have nothing to answer to but self and the laws we have made, since there is none other.

Cool, lets go on a rampage...to get what we've been missing and want.

If you really think we need a damn book to tell us how to live, then I feel really sad for you. Morality comes from within, and we ALL know when we do wrong, and that's TRUE wrong not what some book or preacher tells us is wrong.

None of that is needed, and that you think it is, shows you how little faith you have in yourself, and how easily led you are.

Babies and little kids need strict rules, we're neither of those. It's high time we grow up and take responsibility for ourselves and our lives instead of letting others run them.

Yep, morals are built in, and I guess were evolving so that morals have increased over time

I have enough faith in myself to do and say whatever I want, just like you.

Led? maybe on path that I believe is worth continuing to understand, and since my instinct of GOD is built in, I am following my true self.

I don't agree with many church practices or the crap that has gone on in religion. Man has screwed that up and much else.

I actually think it would be much easier to forget about it, do what I "think" I would want to at that time, moral or otherwise.

But I will follow you, if you don't walk to fast and in a circle please...

If you know man has screwed up religion, why would you accept that a book written by men would have the full truth of God in it, since you appear to believe that.

Nope sorry theres no ancient egyptian evidence of Moses,the exodus,the 10 plagues or jewish slaves.You can read all the Jewish articles you want but it's fact "There is no ancient egyptian evidence of anything about jewish slaves,the plagues,the exodus or Moses"So basically this is a one sided story by the Jews.

That's a hollow one-sided rebutal by the atheists. What have you got against Jews?

Why do assume that it must be "the full truth of God".

nothing my exmother-in-law i still keep in touch with is Jewish and so is my superintendent.

In the Christian religion what else is it supposed to be if not that?

It could be the partial truth of God.
Or the complete untruth of God.


Why do you assume it has to be the full truth?

Does it say it in the Bible somewhere?

It's claimed to be the word of God is it not? If that's the case, it would be assumed to me that it's believed to be the truth of God as well.

..yet another misperception..

*sigh*

Kliesto, I do believe there is much truth to it and focus on what is good with it, I do believe it's worth understanding as much as any history book that has been written (by men). I have read many other posts and seem to remember that you have had some negative experiences with "religion". I do believe your very intellectual/smart and sense those experiences are getting in your way like others I have heard, including myself.

I have also had some very negative experiences, but I believe its worth digging deeper. I don't discount that a GOD exists.

I have learned much in my path along the way, and still have a long way to go.
I don't know it all or pretend to. I hate hypocrisy, money sucking liars, fakes and all others that use it for gain. I myself at points have been a hypocrite and I think I do have a "good" heart. So I give each individual a chance. I don't judge others.

I'm in search for the truth. Its a learning path, not so much a destination I'm after.

That is because they were taught so by misogynist religious men.

If it weren't so there would be an equivalent to slut for a man.

As long as they have an equivalent to "slut" in their language, they are under the influence of a misogynistic religion. Atheist have bought it too. It was so ingrained in our society that people don't even question why a sexual woman is persecuted for it.

Keep writing, you just help prove my point over and over again,

Religion doesn't equal nor make morality happen. That is the misconception taught us by the not as intelligent men of the past.

A sexual woman is not anything more than a woman just as a sexual man is the man.

The controlling method of making a woman unsexual until told by a man it is correct to do so is a misogynist teaching from men of our past who are not as smart as we are. So therefore it should be disregarded as inapplicable at any time really but especially now. We are smarter than they were.

We can tell by some of the posts that there are those who are not ready for recovery and as with any addiction or affliction of the mind, they have to be ready in order for it to help them.

I will say though that had I had someone to help me through my "recovery" from religion it would have gone a lot smoother.

Religion/family using religion/society using religion lays a wammy on your ***.

They start so young with the fear of god that it seems to be a part of you and it isn't, it was an indoctrination from almost birth.

Who makes the claim and do you believe everything you hear?

You seem to be suffering from some sort of trauma. I would really like to know what harm religion has caused you. Why do you feel the need to try to turn people away from it?