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We can tell by some of the posts that there are those who are not ready for recovery and as with any addiction or affliction of the mind, they have to be ready in order for it to help them. I will say though that had I had someone to help me through my "recovery" from religion it would have gone a lot smoother. Religion/family using religion/society using religion lays a wammy on your ***. They start so young with the fear of god that it seems to be a part of you and it isn't, it was an indoctrination from almost birth. You seem to be suffering from some sort of trauma. I would really like to know what harm religion has caused you. Why do you feel the need to try to turn people away from it? The trauma of religion itself is enough to cause anyone to get away from it, if they are quick enough to catch what it is and what it does. 
I would never try to turn anyone away from anything  but it is nice to find and interact with those who feel the same or similar to me.
My threads are designed for those who feel the same as me or may be on the verge of mind growth to get to where I am in their spiritual growth. Of course all points of view are welcome at all times. It is not my fault nor any of my control as to how the religious take my thread. |
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We can tell by some of the posts that there are those who are not ready for recovery and as with any addiction or affliction of the mind, they have to be ready in order for it to help them. I will say though that had I had someone to help me through my "recovery" from religion it would have gone a lot smoother. Religion/family using religion/society using religion lays a wammy on your ***. They start so young with the fear of god that it seems to be a part of you and it isn't, it was an indoctrination from almost birth. You seem to be suffering from some sort of trauma. I would really like to know what harm religion has caused you. Why do you feel the need to try to turn people away from it? The trauma of religion itself is enough to cause anyone to get away from it, if they are quick enough to catch what it is and what it does.
I would never try to turn anyone away from anything but it is nice to find and interact with those who feel the same or similar to me.
My threads are designed for those who feel the same as me or may be on the verge of mind growth to get to where I am in their spiritual growth. Of course all points of view are welcome at all times. It is not my fault nor any of my control as to how the religious take my thread. What makes you so sure it's spiritual growth and not just different views and perceptions on life? Why not let others be happy on their own path in life? |
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We can tell by some of the posts that there are those who are not ready for recovery and as with any addiction or affliction of the mind, they have to be ready in order for it to help them. I will say though that had I had someone to help me through my "recovery" from religion it would have gone a lot smoother. Religion/family using religion/society using religion lays a wammy on your ***. They start so young with the fear of god that it seems to be a part of you and it isn't, it was an indoctrination from almost birth. You seem to be suffering from some sort of trauma. I would really like to know what harm religion has caused you. Why do you feel the need to try to turn people away from it? The trauma of religion itself is enough to cause anyone to get away from it, if they are quick enough to catch what it is and what it does.
I would never try to turn anyone away from anything but it is nice to find and interact with those who feel the same or similar to me.
My threads are designed for those who feel the same as me or may be on the verge of mind growth to get to where I am in their spiritual growth. Of course all points of view are welcome at all times. It is not my fault nor any of my control as to how the religious take my thread. What makes you so sure it's spiritual growth and not just different views and perceptions on life? Why not let others be happy on their own path in life? Because I have outgrown religion and it is a freeing place to be. Everyone is capable of this kind of growth I believe but could be wrong but they must choose it. I do not stop anyone from their happiness nor do any of my posts. Others choose to read and respond, I don't twist their arm. No one on the outside of you (their actions, their words, etc..)determines your happiness, it all dwells inside of you. 
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We can tell by some of the posts that there are those who are not ready for recovery and as with any addiction or affliction of the mind, they have to be ready in order for it to help them. I will say though that had I had someone to help me through my "recovery" from religion it would have gone a lot smoother. Religion/family using religion/society using religion lays a wammy on your ***. They start so young with the fear of god that it seems to be a part of you and it isn't, it was an indoctrination from almost birth. You seem to be suffering from some sort of trauma. I would really like to know what harm religion has caused you. Why do you feel the need to try to turn people away from it? The trauma of religion itself is enough to cause anyone to get away from it, if they are quick enough to catch what it is and what it does.
I would never try to turn anyone away from anything but it is nice to find and interact with those who feel the same or similar to me.
My threads are designed for those who feel the same as me or may be on the verge of mind growth to get to where I am in their spiritual growth. Of course all points of view are welcome at all times. It is not my fault nor any of my control as to how the religious take my thread. What makes you so sure it's spiritual growth and not just different views and perceptions on life? Why not let others be happy on their own path in life? Because I have outgrown religion and it is a freeing place to be. Everyone is capable of this kind of growth I believe but could be wrong but they must choose it. I do not stop anyone from their happiness nor do any of my posts. Others choose to read and respond, I don't twist their arm. No one on the outside of you (their actions, their words, etc..)determines your happiness, it all dwells inside of you.
But, what makes you so sure you have outgrown religion? Were you ever religious? |
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Edited by
Peter_Pan69
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Wed 03/28/12 03:23 PM
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ya know whats even more fascinating is the fact that the egyptians never mention anything about Moses,the exodus or even having jewish slaves through their hieroglyphs or any scriptures at all. Research some more. I believe a monolith has an inscription of a king who defeated "The House of David" as well as a few others... That's a hollow one-sided rebutal by the atheists. What have you got against Jews? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_Stele *edit* My bad, you want evidence of slaves and Moses... |
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We can tell by some of the posts that there are those who are not ready for recovery and as with any addiction or affliction of the mind, they have to be ready in order for it to help them. I will say though that had I had someone to help me through my "recovery" from religion it would have gone a lot smoother. Religion/family using religion/society using religion lays a wammy on your ***. They start so young with the fear of god that it seems to be a part of you and it isn't, it was an indoctrination from almost birth. You seem to be suffering from some sort of trauma. I would really like to know what harm religion has caused you. Why do you feel the need to try to turn people away from it? The trauma of religion itself is enough to cause anyone to get away from it, if they are quick enough to catch what it is and what it does.
I would never try to turn anyone away from anything but it is nice to find and interact with those who feel the same or similar to me.
My threads are designed for those who feel the same as me or may be on the verge of mind growth to get to where I am in their spiritual growth. Of course all points of view are welcome at all times. It is not my fault nor any of my control as to how the religious take my thread. What makes you so sure it's spiritual growth and not just different views and perceptions on life? Why not let others be happy on their own path in life? Because I have outgrown religion and it is a freeing place to be. Everyone is capable of this kind of growth I believe but could be wrong but they must choose it. I do not stop anyone from their happiness nor do any of my posts. Others choose to read and respond, I don't twist their arm. No one on the outside of you (their actions, their words, etc..)determines your happiness, it all dwells inside of you.
But, what makes you so sure you have outgrown religion? Were you ever religious? Yes, oh the horror 
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Sorry, it was unpleasant for you.
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Sorry, it was unpleasant for you.
Only unpleasant when I saw it for what it is and became angry that people were pushing it on other people using fear and guilt. So here we are back at outgrowing religion and needing religious recovery. For those who are ready of course. |
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In the Christian religion what else is it supposed to be if not that? It could be the partial truth of God. Or the complete untruth of God. Why do you assume it has to be the full truth? Does it say it in the Bible somewhere? It's claimed to be the word of God is it not? If that's the case, it would be assumed to me that it's believed to be the truth of God as well. Who makes the claim and do you believe everything you hear? Majority of religious lol, the entire Christian religion is based in part on that fact. I don't believe the Bible to be in the least divinely inspired myself, long since let go of that idea. I see it as merely a book, with maybe little bits of truth, as all religions will have, but a lot of lies as well. |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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And then after all your research fails, which it will. Christianity has been destroying that which went against their religion for a long time. You will have to go on what you can believe is the most healthy for yourself, because you have no business determining what others believe or how they live and then..... You may need recovery from the terrible influences that religion has had in your life. You will not discover them all at once. Heck it will go so deep that you will have to realign some core beliefs that were taught you by religion. Start with THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SLUT because there is no such thing on the male side. Religion taught you that a woman should not be sexual unless given permission by a man to do so. And there are many more... Does anyone have any that come to mind to add to the list? So with that line of thinking, then MORALS can go out the window as well. Where did we possibly get them. We made them up ourselves since most of us are good humans? Me, myself and I have should become even much more prevalent. Since we have nothing to answer to but self and the laws we have made, since there is none other. Cool, lets go on a rampage...to get what we've been missing and want. If you really think we need a damn book to tell us how to live, then I feel really sad for you. Morality comes from within, and we ALL know when we do wrong, and that's TRUE wrong not what some book or preacher tells us is wrong. None of that is needed, and that you think it is, shows you how little faith you have in yourself, and how easily led you are. Babies and little kids need strict rules, we're neither of those. It's high time we grow up and take responsibility for ourselves and our lives instead of letting others run them. Yep, morals are built in, and I guess were evolving so that morals have increased over time I have enough faith in myself to do and say whatever I want, just like you. Led? maybe on path that I believe is worth continuing to understand, and since my instinct of GOD is built in, I am following my true self. I don't agree with many church practices or the crap that has gone on in religion. Man has screwed that up and much else. If you know man has screwed up religion, why would you accept that a book written by men would have the full truth of God in it, since you appear to believe that. Kliesto, I do believe there is much truth to it and focus on what is good with it, I do believe it's worth understanding as much as any history book that has been written (by men). I have read many other posts and seem to remember that you have had some negative experiences with "religion". I do believe your very intellectual/smart and sense those experiences are getting in your way like others I have heard, including myself. I have also had some very negative experiences, but I believe its worth digging deeper. I don't discount that a GOD exists. I have learned much in my path along the way, and still have a long way to go. I don't know it all or pretend to. I hate hypocrisy, money sucking liars, fakes and all others that use it for gain. I myself at points have been a hypocrite and I think I do have a "good" heart. So I give each individual a chance. I don't judge others. I'm in search for the truth. Its a learning path, not so much a destination I'm after. Fair enough answer, let me ask you this then. It seems to me you equate a belief in God to a belief in the Bible, would that be accurate to say? If that's the case, I think you are making a common misconception. I too know that God exists, HOWEVER because God exists doesn't mean the Bible has to be accurate. There may be bits and pieces of it having truth, and those things are good, but one must be very careful to not fall for a lot of the lies within it also. We would all be much better I think to understand that there is not one religion out there, nor one single book that has the nature God entirely accurate. God is far too unlimited to be limited in such a way. It is much bigger than all of it put together. The best thing for us as a society to do would be to realize this, take all the good and throw away the bad, taking great care to know the difference. All of these ideas that God demands this, or God does that, are merely man trying to be God, and are not at all an accurate reflection of who God really is. The divine is hardly like a lot of us are taught. I think if more people understood this and let themselves out of their comfort zones as to what they believe God to be, we'd have a much less divided world than we currently do, because a lot of the control the modern religions have would disscipate in short order. |
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Sorry, it was unpleasant for you.
Only unpleasant when I saw it for what it is and became angry that people were pushing it on other people using fear and guilt. So here we are back at outgrowing religion and needing religious recovery. For those who are ready of course. People will do that with anything though, why are you so against religion? What caused you to change your view? |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Wed 03/28/12 05:11 PM
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Sorry, it was unpleasant for you.
Only unpleasant when I saw it for what it is and became angry that people were pushing it on other people using fear and guilt. So here we are back at outgrowing religion and needing religious recovery. For those who are ready of course. People will do that with anything though, why are you so against religion? What caused you to change your view? I have outgrown it. Which requires a mindset that is free of fear by the way. It was a chain of events that lead to my mind realizing what religion is and what it is used for and how unhealthy it if for those who live by it. I am also observant. |
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Chain of events, like?
I'm just trying to better understand you. |
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ya know whats even more fascinating is the fact that the egyptians never mention anything about Moses,the exodus or even having jewish slaves through their hieroglyphs or any scriptures at all. Research some more. I believe a monolith has an inscription of a king who defeated "The House of David" as well as a few others... That's a hollow one-sided rebutal by the atheists. What have you got against Jews? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_Stele *edit* My bad, you want evidence of slaves and Moses... |
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All you showed was the 1993 finding of something with David on it not King David plus some say since there was no vowels used that DWD could of meant Dod.
Where in the hell did any of those show ancient egyptian writtings about moses,the plagues,jewish slaves and the exodus?Actually if you really wanna get into a deep issue there really is no evidence israel even existed during the Moses period. |
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Chain of events, like? I'm just trying to better understand you. I have rewrote this too many times now. It is too much information for this post plus I have a game starting in a few here so I say the start which was being born with a quick mind that had no fear so I questioned and analyzed everything ....to the most recent which was when I got extremely ill with MS and had to restart my desire to live. But it is really irrelevant to this anyway. If I say I have outgrown it, I have outgrown it. |
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I see...
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All you showed was the 1993 finding of something with David on it not King David plus some say since there was no vowels used that DWD could of meant Dod. Where in the hell did any of those show ancient egyptian writtings about moses,the plagues,jewish slaves and the exodus?Actually if you really wanna get into a deep issue there really is no evidence israel even existed during the Moses period. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiphrah |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 03/28/12 09:24 PM
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In my search for information I ran across an atheist site that offers recovery from religion for those who need help shaking the monkey of religion off their back. It makes sense that this could be helpful for many people as religion has been allowed to run rampant and has been deceptively taught as the only answer to morality, problem solving, recovery, grieving, etc... And in truth it only makes a person sicker in the end. Makes their lives more empty. I am going to check into it and see what kind of good stuff they have.
There was a short time when I considered myself to be an atheist. It was indeed a freeing concept. Then I found spirituality and went from atheist to agnostic. Don't know, don't really care. Presently, I like to think my spiritual essence will survive death and float to another dimension after I die but I don't know if it will or not. Maybe I exist in many forms and my consciousness is just moving around from one life form to another. Maybe I am the entire universe and my attention is simply focused on this single life form at this moment. I have to say, I just don't know. I am what I am, what ever that is. But I never believed the normal religion stuff, so I don't need to recover from it. I have had some amazing spiritual experiences but logic heads (scientist types) will say that all of that is just in your mind. Who knows, it may be. But if I can leave my body tonight and fly around the solar system, or dance across the clouds, no one need know. Its all in my mind anyway. |
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Here's what I think it is... They see someone whom they think is brainwashed. So they want to brainwash them too. Simple, everyone is trying to control everyone else... Not really. Or rather, I disagree from that viewpoint. Based on discussions I've had with friends who are atheists, the concept of actually getting someone to ditch theism is less of brainwashing someone and more as freeing the person from prior brainwashing. It's like taking away the fake world in the Matrix and showing what actually is or letting a kid know there's no Santa Claus. After all, many people who are atheists weren't convinced by others... they arrived at it through their own reasoning. They found that they didn't believe in the things they may or may not have once believed in or been taught. |
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