Dead men tell no tales.

I always thought a fair fight meant everyone had the same weapon too.

There is no such thing as a fair fight.

not in stand your ground states,,,,lol

reasonable force is no concern as long as someone can point to some POSSIBILITY they were going to be 'harmed'


you harm me, I can take your life,,,,,no fairness there

And the black panthers putting a bounty dead or alive on Zimmermann and Spike Lee tweeting Zimmermanns address is moral? Does things like this not add to the racial decide in this country? Advocating the murder of another person is not the way to bring justice in this case. When Zimmerman is murdered because of the doings of the panthers and Spike will charges be brought against them?

I hope so. IF that happens,,,,,


A day in court is what most people are fighting for for this young man,,, those advocating more killing do him no justice.

The DA will decide if charges should be brought, the grand jury will decide if the case should proceed to court. It's not up to the angry mobs or celebrities to decide what should happen.

And most of the calls haven't been for "A day in court", they are calling for Zimmerman to be convicted of murder.

a conviction requires a DAY IN COURT....


where the actual details of whether or how they investigated this death can come out in the open


and if they BOTCHED it (which is possible, contraty to what some citizens seem to think)


and should have given more thorough investigation into whether or not this was merely 'self defense'

Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head

Same scenario I imagined yesterday. As I have already pointed out, this scenario fits all of the evidence we have. Trayvon was a drug using thug who attacked Zimmerman as he was walking back to his car, broke his nose and was pounding his head into the concrete. It was self-defense.

drug using? really?

how about this. Zimmerman was a domestic abuser and a police assaulter,,,,,

does that still make him the innocent victim of some 'punk'

what is the documentation of the drug use? there is documentation of charges against Zimmerman

I don't think the drug use is the point. The point is that Zimmerman had some pretty bad injuries, including to the back of his head which he states was being smashed into the ground.

Trayvon was suspended for possession of Marijuana.

It doesn't matter what Zimmerman did in the past, what matters is what happened that night. From the injuries and the evidence, Trayvon was the aggressor.

then Im sure the pictures of those injuries and the medical exam will come out in a trial,,,,,


usually, when someone has been assaulted and injured there are pictures taken,, just saying


and if he had those injuries, were they justified of a young man fighting for his life against a strange man who had followed him and then confronted the boy about HIS intentions while the man carried a gun,,,,,?

did that justify being shot after all that initial intimidation because he wasnt able to detain him or beat him when he had finally intimidated him into fighting for his life?


IF he attacked him by his car,, how do they END up in the back of the building? sounds more like he followed him there

if the boy initially ran, why would he come back? does he have any recorded history of initiating physical threat? does that sound logical or likely for a boy because he had a marijuana baggy?

all Im saying is disclose the truth and give the boy justice,,,,witnesses can lie, on both sides, and witnesses can be mistaken about what they saw,,,,

what does the EVIDENCE and common sense say? Did this mans background and tendency to be a wanna be cop, mixed with his having a gun on his person,,,make it likely that he continued to pursue and possibly push (like he has done to his ex wife and a cop in his pasat) to intimidate them into submission?


or does this boys empty baggy, and flee AWAY from zimmerman, make it likely that he then decided to come back and confront him, although no history has been disclosed to back this up about the boys character,,,?


I just want the evidence shared, I want the facts. The cop on the scene had been known to cover for people before. The original dispatcher tapes had edited out some things that seem damning to Zimmerman, which also indicates possible cover up.

If they followed their procedures they should be able to mark where they found the boy,, approximately where the altercation began as well as ended, whether there is the blood dna and spatter that there was a scenario the way Zimmerman described it, and whether Zimmerman harmed or otherwise physically intimidated the boy as opposed to just being 'sucker punched'.....

It wasn't, it was tertiary to my point, just like the more recent pictures were tertiary. We constantly hear about what Zimmerman did in the past, be we haven't heard anything about Trayvon's recent past. We get a picture of him that is 4-5 years old and we hear that he was a great kid and never any problems. I just wanted to put things is a bit clearer focus.

Exactly, these are the most important factors to any self defense. What actually happened that caused a person to fear for there life, would any other reasonable person in the same situation fear for there life.

My answer: yes.
This is where you are either failing to understand our system of justice, or just dont care and want a political arrest vs an actual legal arrest.

I'm not going to read the whole post, because it starts with a faulty premise.

If the DA determines that there is no grounds for prosecution, then there will not be a trial. If Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman, then there should be no grounds for a trial.

You don't have a trial if there is no arrest. And, you can't make an arrest without probable cause that a crime was committed.

This is my fear and what I believe may very well happen.

I have no stake in who was at fault here. I have no reason to want Zimmerman to be the victim any more than I want Trayvon to be the victim. It's irrelevant to me how this thing pans out as long as it pans out TRUTHFULLY.

But, at this point I don't see any of Trayvon's supporters acknowledging that anything is possible except for their version of what they THINK happened.

what am I not understanding?

that they take pictures when someone has been assaulted and injured?

Cause I have been an assault victim, so I think I do have an experience to draw from.


I dont want someone to be able to approach, me, my child, or anyone else after intimidating them and insist they answer their question and then be permitted to SHOOT if a fight ensues where they cant back up the woof ticket they sold,,,,


I want the EVIDENCE to come out because those involved with the investigation are suspicious, because the MANS actions and words that night were suspicious and REASONABLY could have intimidated a kid in this day and age of pedophiles


I want it to come out because this MAN has a history of pushing when he is frustrated and its possible since he was in PURSUIT could have also pushed this boy while confronting him and making it REASONABLE for the boy to fight

and if that is what happened, he should not be justified in SHOOTING someone just because he couldnt physically intimidate them into submission,,,

My position exactly. My only interest is that this not be used as some kind of political weapon without someone being willing to call them out on there BS.

You do not seem to realize that if such evidence exists, it WILL be used to press charges, if no such evidence exists, then it will never go to trial. It appears no such evidence exists.

Actually it isn't the black panthers who are doing it anyway. It a group who uses the black panther name. The new black panthers are not endorsed by the black panthers and never have been they are a terrorist type organization that doesn't do any good for black folks or anyone for that matter. They are just as good for people as the white militant groups who claim to be patriots fighting for patriotism and killing folks.

So get your story straight before spouting off about what you don't know.