I can't wait to find out.

stay tuned, you may be unpleasantly surprised,,,,

You follow me around and I will end up in jail but you won't be dead because I wouldn't want to kill another human.

That is actually the issue.

Intent to kill was there and hunting was involved.

I dont think he had an intent to kill, I think the killing was negligence because he HAPPENED to have a gun and couldnt fight once things got started. He probably was hoping this boy would just submit to whatever he was planning to do to keep him from 'getting away'.

He probably never CONCEIVED this boy would at any point be able to get the better of him.

I believe guns are for p ussies, a real man doesn't need one.

NO NO NO, you dont seem to realize. I DONT CARE. All I care about is that the proper application of the law is what the conclusion of the media circus ends with.

What I care about is these imaginary stories we are getting in the popular media that are using bad info, made up info, and dealing with factors which dont make a single difference to the law.

9 times out of 10

I totally agree. Men who made guns were men that had no other way to protect themself and figured life was expendable.

what kills me is the character assassination of a DEAD BOY though.

,,because he wore a hoodie?
..because he had marijuana residue at school?
..because crimes happened during a time span that he was sometimes in the neighborhood?


the reaching being done to justify this is sickening to me,,,,and makes me feel even worse for that childs parents,,,


my heart goes out,,,

Stupidity is not a crime. And getting yourself into a dangerous situation does not preclude you from defending yourself when attacked.

Zimmermans accountability will play a factor in the civil trial when Trayvon's parents sue him. But it doesn't play a part in the criminal matter. Once Trayvon attacke him, he had the right to shoot.

Oh yea when you bring a gun, the intent to kill is already there. There is no reason to have a gun if you are not hoping something will jump off and you get to kill someone.

But you have a wannabe cop, treating another citizen like he is a criminal and hunting him w his little gun.

That is wrong from get.

Wannabe cops are dangerous when armed.

so, from what your saying is, I can follow you around, start a fight with you and then shoot you in self defense. Thanks for letting me know that, now that your saying that it is legal.

other things don't matter? so, all that matters is just a kid is dead. oh well, lets move on, other things don't matter. i guess when it gets to court, the lawyers will just tell the jury that other things don't matter. the kid is dead, we have other things that don't matter to worry about, so let the other guy go and we'll just get on with our lives. jesus man, a kid is dead. he shot the kid. an UNARMED kid. so because you think he is a useless teen that deserved to die doesn't always make it so.

Why would I be unpleasantly surprised?
I'm not taking sides more am I convicting anyone of guilt.
Nor am I assuming anything.
I'll wait for what the investigation comes out with.

Well said, and the distinction between civil and criminal is clearly not well understood by parties in this thread, so thank you for bringing that up.

what source do you get your info from? media?

dont we all get it from 'media'

the question is which media is credible,

INCLUDING police statements , if there is not the documentation to back it up anywhere,,,,

You clearly did not read what I wrote, not going to repeat myself.

The verified facts are verified becuase they have been supported by the investigators.

/fullstop

All I care for is the truth. If Zimmerman is guilty (as I first assumed he was), then so be it. If he's not (which I feel the evidence points to), then so be it. His race and Trayvon's race don't play into it for me.

I dont believe that is true unless it can be proven there was an ATTACK actually initiated by Treyvon. If Treyvon were shot in the act of defending HIMSELF with his fists from an attack by someone carrying a gun, there is much more than a civil case.

'supported' by 'investigators'?

what does that even mean,,lol

what constitutes support? what are these investigators names? Where can I find the source of this VERIFIED , SUPPORTED , set of facts according to 'investigators?

This does not jive with the main witness account. That is simply the single most important thing. A person is not defending themselves when they are on top attacking someone screaming for help.

Just doesn't happen. No amount of spin can make that more palatable.

Sigh . . . I almost think at this point I am having an argument on the internet . . . Im sure someone will understand what I mean.

msharmony, the police, the investigators have on more than one occasion come out and without going into details made it clear what the elements of this self defense claim include. The pieces which coincide with those elements are tentatively verified.

Im done, because this is an argument on the internet, and the people I am arguing with are just not up to the task.

That has to be the most ignorant statement I've ever heard. I legally carry a gun and I have no intent to kill anyone.
I carry it because it is my right to carry it.
I don't hope someone will jump off at me.