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sorry, not gonna happen, I hear this man on the phone call to a dispatcher, I hear him calling the boy an *******, I hear him complaining that they always get away, I hear him saying he is following the boy
on the 911 tape you hear him say he WAS following Martin. He did not say he was going to continue to follow him.
by his OWN words and actions, he hunted this boy,, whathever his reason, and now a boy is dead.,.. The statement the police have from Zimmerman has been corroborated by witnesses. (A statement we do not have available for our own conversation) THAT is more powerful evidence than your speculations. . . and we wonder why we have such a travesty of a justice system. Here we have outrage, and emotion guiding the public response. Asking to arrest a man based on emotions, and imagination, not facts. there is a grown man with a gun, who has been directed NOT to follow the boy, and then they arrive and the boy is unarmed and DEAD,,,what other facts should be needed to not blanketly label it self defense? |
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I just saw the DOJ and the FBI are involved, I'm surprised it took this long. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Right now on tv I'm watching the story... talking of the boy being on the phone with his girlfriend and hearing him (the boy) being confronted. Then a scuffle and the phone goes dead. The police have the phone, should be easy enough to verify. Thank you Ladylid. However it remains to be seen if a recording was retrieved. what would constitute 'hard evidence'? are you serious ? should 'hard evidence' be needed to prove he used self defense or to prove he didnt? is the girlfriends testimony just speculation too,, or would that be hard enough evidence? the only two people with HARD evidence , would be the two involved and one is dead, so we have to go with circumstantial evidence, which is what wins many more cases than the 'hard' evidence that is much harder to gather (especially in a neighborhood where noone went out to help someone crying for help) this was a senseless death, regardless of what other debate goes on,,,and as a mother it outrages me that people are so nonchalantly willing to just accept its validity,,, |
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Edited by
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there is a grown man with a gun, who has been directed NOT to follow the boy, and then they arrive and the boy is unarmed and DEAD,,,what other facts should be needed to not blanketly label it self defense? You really think this is evidence of manslaughter?
msharmony, you have no business determining guilt with such poor critical thinking skills. should 'hard evidence' be needed to prove he used self defense or to prove he didnt? This illustrates you do not even know how the law works.
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sorry, not gonna happen, I hear this man on the phone call to a dispatcher, I hear him calling the boy an *******, I hear him complaining that they always get away, I hear him saying he is following the boy
on the 911 tape you hear him say he WAS following Martin. He did not say he was going to continue to follow him.
by his OWN words and actions, he hunted this boy,, whathever his reason, and now a boy is dead.,.. The statement the police have from Zimmerman has been corroborated by witnesses. (A statement we do not have available for our own conversation) THAT is more powerful evidence than your speculations. . . and we wonder why we have such a travesty of a justice system. Here we have outrage, and emotion guiding the public response. Asking to arrest a man based on emotions, and imagination, not facts. no, they want him arrested because he killed a 16 year old kid... no imagination at all... |
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there is a grown man with a gun, who has been directed NOT to follow the boy, and then they arrive and the boy is unarmed and DEAD,,,what other facts should be needed to not blanketly label it self defense? You really think this is evidence of manslaughter?
msharmony, you have no business determining guilt with such poor critical thinking skills. should 'hard evidence' be needed to prove he used self defense or to prove he didnt? This illustrates you do not even know how the law works.
murder is illegal, billy... no matter how you think you justify it... the boys death was caused by the others gun... and you wanna blame the boy? |
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there is a grown man with a gun, who has been directed NOT to follow the boy, and then they arrive and the boy is unarmed and DEAD,,,what other facts should be needed to not blanketly label it self defense? You really think this is evidence of manslaughter?
msharmony, you have no business determining guilt with such poor critical thinking skills. should 'hard evidence' be needed to prove he used self defense or to prove he didnt? This illustrates you do not even know how the law works.
really? try this definition Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales. In Scotland and some Commonwealth of Nations jurisdictions the offence of culpable homicide might apply. It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. so, would you not consider it 'reckless' to follow someone in the rain at night after being instructed by a police dispatcher not to? |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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there is a grown man with a gun, who has been directed NOT to follow the boy, and then they arrive and the boy is unarmed and DEAD,,,what other facts should be needed to not blanketly label it self defense? You really think this is evidence of manslaughter?
msharmony, you have no business determining guilt with such poor critical thinking skills. should 'hard evidence' be needed to prove he used self defense or to prove he didnt? This illustrates you do not even know how the law works.
murder is illegal, billy... no matter how you think you justify it... the boys death was caused by the others gun... and you wanna blame the boy? really? try this definition Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales. In Scotland and some Commonwealth of Nations jurisdictions the offence of culpable homicide might apply. It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. so, would you not consider it 'reckless' to follow someone in the rain at night after being instructed by a police dispatcher not to? You have not establishes that he was following Martin, but you want to arrest him with that as your central theme of arrest? The PA has all the available facts, and he has not arrested Zimmerman. Unless you think its some kind of conspiracy then its becuase the facts, and the witness testimony all back up Zimmerman. |
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As far as I'm concerned, this boy better have walked up and stuck a stick in this other guy's eye to have his life snuffed out like this.. ......somehow I don't think that happened.
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Police recordings made the night a self-appointed neighborhood watch captain allegedly shot and killed an unarmed 17-year-old boy outside his stepmother's home sent the boy's mother screaming from the room and prompted his father to declare, "He killed my son," according to a family representative. The series of emergency and non-emergency calls to police depict the apparent progression of events on Feb. 26 that led to the watch captain, George Zimmerman, 28, who is white, allegedly shooting Trayvon Martin, a high-school junior who is black, as the teen made his way home with a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea. The contents of the calls and the family's reaction to them were recounted to ABC News by a representative of the boy's family, Ryan Julison, and ABC News affiliate WFTV published excerpts from the 911 calls. On one call to a non-emergency dispatch number, according to Julison, Zimmerman says, "He's checking me out," and then, "This guy looks like he's on drugs, he's definitely messed up." "There's a real suspicious guy. This guy looks like he's up to no good, on drugs or something," Zimmerman can be heard telling the dispatcher. "These a**holes always get away," he adds. The dispatcher is heard trying to discourage Zimmerman, asking, "Are you following him?.. Okay, we don't need you to do that." Within minutes, however, 911 calls are being made to police reporting the two are fighting. "They're wrestling right in the back of my porch," one frantic caller says. "The guy's yelling help and I'm not going out." On a second call someone's screams for help can be heard and what sounds like two gunshots. The caller's boyfriend shouts, "Get down," and after the second apparent gunshot the shouts for help cease, Julison told ABC News. "There's gun shots. Uh, I'm pretty sure the guy is dead out here, holy sh**," a caller says into the phone. One witness describes Zimmerman after the shooting. "He's out there with a flashlight. The guy is raising his hands up saying he shot the person," the caller said more at : http://abcnews.go.com/US/treyvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-shooting-911-tapes-send/story?id=15937881 my heart goes out to these families, their lives have been uprooted senselessly,,,, What a sick example of many problems in our society still today. People who legally but not legally have weapons using them in their own sick form of hatred. |
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there is a grown man with a gun, who has been directed NOT to follow the boy, and then they arrive and the boy is unarmed and DEAD,,,what other facts should be needed to not blanketly label it self defense? You really think this is evidence of manslaughter?
msharmony, you have no business determining guilt with such poor critical thinking skills. should 'hard evidence' be needed to prove he used self defense or to prove he didnt? This illustrates you do not even know how the law works.
murder is illegal, billy... no matter how you think you justify it... the boys death was caused by the others gun... and you wanna blame the boy? really? try this definition Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales. In Scotland and some Commonwealth of Nations jurisdictions the offence of culpable homicide might apply. It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. so, would you not consider it 'reckless' to follow someone in the rain at night after being instructed by a police dispatcher not to? no, a paralegal though,, if it matters which it doesnt, when people are sharing opinions,,, |
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Police recordings made the night a self-appointed neighborhood watch captain allegedly shot and killed an unarmed 17-year-old boy outside his stepmother's home sent the boy's mother screaming from the room and prompted his father to declare, "He killed my son," according to a family representative. The series of emergency and non-emergency calls to police depict the apparent progression of events on Feb. 26 that led to the watch captain, George Zimmerman, 28, who is white, allegedly shooting Trayvon Martin, a high-school junior who is black, as the teen made his way home with a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea. The contents of the calls and the family's reaction to them were recounted to ABC News by a representative of the boy's family, Ryan Julison, and ABC News affiliate WFTV published excerpts from the 911 calls. On one call to a non-emergency dispatch number, according to Julison, Zimmerman says, "He's checking me out," and then, "This guy looks like he's on drugs, he's definitely messed up." "There's a real suspicious guy. This guy looks like he's up to no good, on drugs or something," Zimmerman can be heard telling the dispatcher. "These a**holes always get away," he adds. The dispatcher is heard trying to discourage Zimmerman, asking, "Are you following him?.. Okay, we don't need you to do that." Within minutes, however, 911 calls are being made to police reporting the two are fighting. "They're wrestling right in the back of my porch," one frantic caller says. "The guy's yelling help and I'm not going out." On a second call someone's screams for help can be heard and what sounds like two gunshots. The caller's boyfriend shouts, "Get down," and after the second apparent gunshot the shouts for help cease, Julison told ABC News. "There's gun shots. Uh, I'm pretty sure the guy is dead out here, holy sh**," a caller says into the phone. One witness describes Zimmerman after the shooting. "He's out there with a flashlight. The guy is raising his hands up saying he shot the person," the caller said more at : http://abcnews.go.com/US/treyvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-shooting-911-tapes-send/story?id=15937881 my heart goes out to these families, their lives have been uprooted senselessly,,,, What a sick example of many problems in our society still today. People who legally but not legally have weapons using them in their own sick form of hatred. I dont even know if its hatred Dragoness. I just know that that boy being followed by a grown man exiting a car, had EVERY BIT the right to feel a threat as that grown man sitting in the comfort of his car with a gun did. And the moment that man got out his car to follow the boy, he set in motion a chain of events where he had the upper hand with a deadly weapon,, a chain that was totally unnecessary and tragic. and with stand your ground laws,, who was legally 'required' to stand down? or do we just let all the people out there threatened by other peoples presence have at it,,,,no charges, no risk of consequence unless you are the one who dies? ,,,so sad,,, |
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As far as I'm concerned, this boy better have walked up and stuck a stick in this other guy's eye to have his life snuffed out like this.. ......somehow I don't think that happened. seems pretty open and shut to me, and i cannot figure out why this zimmerman dude is not in jail right now. i guess they need their due process... |
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there is a grown man with a gun, who has been directed NOT to follow the boy, and then they arrive and the boy is unarmed and DEAD,,,what other facts should be needed to not blanketly label it self defense? You really think this is evidence of manslaughter?
msharmony, you have no business determining guilt with such poor critical thinking skills. should 'hard evidence' be needed to prove he used self defense or to prove he didnt? This illustrates you do not even know how the law works.
murder is illegal, billy... no matter how you think you justify it... the boys death was caused by the others gun... and you wanna blame the boy? really? try this definition Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales. In Scotland and some Commonwealth of Nations jurisdictions the offence of culpable homicide might apply. It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. so, would you not consider it 'reckless' to follow someone in the rain at night after being instructed by a police dispatcher not to? You have not establishes that he was following Martin, but you want to arrest him with that as your central theme of arrest? The PA has all the available facts, and he has not arrested Zimmerman. Unless you think its some kind of conspiracy then its becuase the facts, and the witness testimony all back up Zimmerman. I have established he followed him, with his own words. You are debating whether he 'continued' to follow him which would be irrelevant to the state of mind of a young boy after he had BEGUN to be followed by someone. it also leaves another question about why he could not give a location where he would meet the police , as opposed to suggesting they call him to 'find out' where he was... the witness testimony only backs up that they fought,, and stand your ground would give that boy every right to fight some man following him in the dark ESPECIALLY if he happened at some point to see the man had a gun and had tried FIRST to run from the man (also, the mans own words) The DA will charge him, no doubt, and thats the best place to start, as opposed to just wrapping it up as 'self defense' like they were originally trying to do. |
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As far as I'm concerned, this boy better have walked up and stuck a stick in this other guy's eye to have his life snuffed out like this.. ......somehow I don't think that happened. seems pretty open and shut to me, and i cannot figure out why this zimmerman dude is not in jail right now. i guess they need their due process... as long as he is charged at some point seemed ludacris that they would wrap it up so quickly as a case of 'self defense'... |
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As far as I'm concerned, this boy better have walked up and stuck a stick in this other guy's eye to have his life snuffed out like this.. ......somehow I don't think that happened. seems pretty open and shut to me, and i cannot figure out why this zimmerman dude is not in jail right now. i guess they need their due process... as long as he is charged at some point seemed ludacris that they would wrap it up so quickly as a case of 'self defense'... man, i'll go riot in flordia if they let him off with self defence...i have seen nothing even close to it... |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Tue 03/20/12 03:45 PM
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there is a grown man with a gun, who has been directed NOT to follow the boy, and then they arrive and the boy is unarmed and DEAD,,,what other facts should be needed to not blanketly label it self defense? You really think this is evidence of manslaughter?
msharmony, you have no business determining guilt with such poor critical thinking skills. should 'hard evidence' be needed to prove he used self defense or to prove he didnt? This illustrates you do not even know how the law works.
murder is illegal, billy... no matter how you think you justify it... the boys death was caused by the others gun... and you wanna blame the boy? really? try this definition Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales. In Scotland and some Commonwealth of Nations jurisdictions the offence of culpable homicide might apply. It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. so, would you not consider it 'reckless' to follow someone in the rain at night after being instructed by a police dispatcher not to? no, a paralegal though,, if it matters which it doesnt, when people are sharing opinions,,, Anything less is biased. man, i'll go riot in flordia if they let him off with self defence...i have seen nothing even close to it... That would be dumb. You are going to threaten other peoples lives because you think an injustice has been carried out when you dont even have the facts yet . . .
the witness testimony only backs up that they fought,, and stand your ground would give that boy every right to fight some man following him in the dark ESPECIALLY if he happened at some point to see the man had a gun and had tried FIRST to run from the man (also, the mans own words) Not true. You have no right to physical touch another person. Whoever initiated violence was the attacker. If you find evidence it was Zimmerman, than that is important, otherwise your still making stuff up.
If I stood 10 feet away from you and followed you around that would not be justification for you to attack me. If I was throwing rocks that would change it, if I was screaming threats put a bandanna over my face and put my hand in my pocket like I had a gun that would be different. |
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there is a grown man with a gun, who has been directed NOT to follow the boy, and then they arrive and the boy is unarmed and DEAD,,,what other facts should be needed to not blanketly label it self defense? You really think this is evidence of manslaughter?
msharmony, you have no business determining guilt with such poor critical thinking skills. should 'hard evidence' be needed to prove he used self defense or to prove he didnt? This illustrates you do not even know how the law works.
murder is illegal, billy... no matter how you think you justify it... the boys death was caused by the others gun... and you wanna blame the boy? really? try this definition Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales. In Scotland and some Commonwealth of Nations jurisdictions the offence of culpable homicide might apply. It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. so, would you not consider it 'reckless' to follow someone in the rain at night after being instructed by a police dispatcher not to? no, a paralegal though,, if it matters which it doesnt, when people are sharing opinions,,, Anything less is biased. man, i'll go riot in flordia if they let him off with self defence...i have seen nothing even close to it... That would be dumb. You are going to threaten other peoples lives because you think an injustice has been carried out when you dont even have the facts yet . . .
the witness testimony only backs up that they fought,, and stand your ground would give that boy every right to fight some man following him in the dark ESPECIALLY if he happened at some point to see the man had a gun and had tried FIRST to run from the man (also, the mans own words) Not true. You have no right to physical touch another person. Whoever initiated violence was the attacker. If you find evidence it was Zimmerman, than that is important, otherwise your still making stuff up.
its noble and a pretty cliche but 'all facts' are rarely ever available let alone disclosed or discovered,,, as far as physically touching another person, if that person has followed you and approached you and has a gun? your only right is to risk being shot while you are standing or while you are running? interesting,,,,that seems to contradict stand your ground law,,, |
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there is a grown man with a gun, who has been directed NOT to follow the boy, and then they arrive and the boy is unarmed and DEAD,,,what other facts should be needed to not blanketly label it self defense? You really think this is evidence of manslaughter?
msharmony, you have no business determining guilt with such poor critical thinking skills. should 'hard evidence' be needed to prove he used self defense or to prove he didnt? This illustrates you do not even know how the law works.
murder is illegal, billy... no matter how you think you justify it... the boys death was caused by the others gun... and you wanna blame the boy? really? try this definition Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales. In Scotland and some Commonwealth of Nations jurisdictions the offence of culpable homicide might apply. It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. so, would you not consider it 'reckless' to follow someone in the rain at night after being instructed by a police dispatcher not to? no, a paralegal though,, if it matters which it doesnt, when people are sharing opinions,,, Anything less is biased. man, i'll go riot in flordia if they let him off with self defence...i have seen nothing even close to it... That would be dumb. You are going to threaten other peoples lives because you think an injustice has been carried out when you dont even have the facts yet . . .
the witness testimony only backs up that they fought,, and stand your ground would give that boy every right to fight some man following him in the dark ESPECIALLY if he happened at some point to see the man had a gun and had tried FIRST to run from the man (also, the mans own words) Not true. You have no right to physical touch another person. Whoever initiated violence was the attacker. If you find evidence it was Zimmerman, than that is important, otherwise your still making stuff up.
do you think if he would have reported to the police and not confronted the kid that the kid would still be alive? |
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there is a grown man with a gun, who has been directed NOT to follow the boy, and then they arrive and the boy is unarmed and DEAD,,,what other facts should be needed to not blanketly label it self defense? You really think this is evidence of manslaughter?
msharmony, you have no business determining guilt with such poor critical thinking skills. should 'hard evidence' be needed to prove he used self defense or to prove he didnt? This illustrates you do not even know how the law works.
murder is illegal, billy... no matter how you think you justify it... the boys death was caused by the others gun... and you wanna blame the boy? really? try this definition Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales. In Scotland and some Commonwealth of Nations jurisdictions the offence of culpable homicide might apply. It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. so, would you not consider it 'reckless' to follow someone in the rain at night after being instructed by a police dispatcher not to? no, a paralegal though,, if it matters which it doesnt, when people are sharing opinions,,, Anything less is biased. man, i'll go riot in flordia if they let him off with self defence...i have seen nothing even close to it... That would be dumb. You are going to threaten other peoples lives because you think an injustice has been carried out when you dont even have the facts yet . . .
the witness testimony only backs up that they fought,, and stand your ground would give that boy every right to fight some man following him in the dark ESPECIALLY if he happened at some point to see the man had a gun and had tried FIRST to run from the man (also, the mans own words) Not true. You have no right to physical touch another person. Whoever initiated violence was the attacker. If you find evidence it was Zimmerman, than that is important, otherwise your still making stuff up.
do you think if he would have reported to the police and not confronted the kid that the kid would still be alive? personally, yes I think the kid would recognize police officers as official authorities carrying guns and there would be no scuffle, he would tell them where he was headed, and it would be overwith,,, |
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