Not busted at anything. I worship God the father through Jesus Christ. For he is the way, the path.

Funches wrote to Cowboy:







Cowboy's replies to Funches:





Cowboy,I don't appreciate the fact that you are

confusing Funches with your false teaching on here..

I am praying God will put a stop to it...and I trust God will.



Once more you are saying Jesus is "our God", but ONCE MORE you do

NOT mean it as a Chrsitian means it........you mean it as

Jesus just being our own "separate god" ...and our own "

"father" ,Whom you believe to be a totally SEPARATE

ENTITY from God Almighty.....in other words,.and you do NOT

believe Jesus and the Father are ONE ENTITY AT ALL!!!


(CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THE THREE PERSONS OF THE GODHEAD

( FATHER, JESUS, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ) ARE ONLY ONE ENTITY !!! )


But you do NOT believe the 3 persons are ONE ENTITY, and are

therefore MISREPRESENTING Christianity on here !!!!!!!


BUT you believe they are just "One" ,in the sense of a

"family " only ....but again, you do NOT believe they are ONE

ENTITY!!!

It is sneaky on your part, to decieve Funches and

confuse him....into thinking you DO actually believe in Jesus

AS Christians believe......YET, YOU DON'T BELEIVE JESUS IS OUR

GOD, IN THE SAME WAY AS CHRISTIANS DO, AT ALL!!!!!!


AGAIN, YOU SAY ON HERE THAT JESUS IS OUR GOD,BUT DON'T

BELIEVE JESUS TO BE THE SAME ENTITY AS GOD

ALMIGHTY !!!!!!!!

THIS IS CALLED DECEPTION , COWBOY !!!!!


ALSO...YOU HAVE ALWAYS STATED THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN

WORSHIPPING JESUS AS CHRISTIANS DO....THEN WHEN FUNCHES

QUESTIONED YOU EARLIER TODAY ,YOU THEN SAID YOU DO WORSHIP

JESUS,ONLY TO MISLEAD FUNCHES AND THROW HIM OFF !!!


THAT IS CALLED DECEIVING PEOPLE ON HERE , COWBOY !!!


YOU DO NOT WORSHIP JESUS AT ALL, BECAUSEE YOU DO NOT BELIEVE

JESUS AND THE FATHER AND HOLY SPRIT ARE EVEN ONE ENITY !!!

BUT THEN YOU LIE AND SAY YOU DO NOW.......THAT IS NOW A NEW

DECEPTION YOU ARE ADDING TO THE REST OF YOUR FALSEHOOD ON HERE !!!!


WHEN ARE YOU GONNA STOP WITH THE MISREPRESENTATION OF GOD'S

WORD ON HERE, COWBOTY????????


IF you want to believe in your "version" of who you think God

is, that is your perogative.....but when you come on here to

confuse Funches and others, I will speak up again!!!!


I am asking you very nicely for the last time, that

you STOP your spreading APOSTASY on here, in the

name of Christianity !!!!!

ONE FINAL TIME....What you spread is NOT the Word of God....but is just your

FALSE version!!!!


I am asking nicely now...to STOP.....but if you do not stop

misrepresenting Christianity on here, God WILL put a stop to

your false misrepresentation of His Holy Word...I assure you!!!



Pleae do NOT reply .....as I will not be on here anymore....

but DO take this final bit of advice for once in your life,

or else God WILL deal with you , Cowboy !!!


This is a VERY serious matter when you CONTINUE to twist God's

Word.....and deceive people with a false gospel.....

a dangerous thing before God,that you are doing on here,

because you are leading others ASTRAY !!!!



God Almighty will NOT allow His Word to CONTINUALLY be

MISPRESENTED like that, without EVENTUALLY getting your

ATTENTION, Cowboy !!!

Please LISTEN FOR ONCE!!!

PRAYING that you will listen this time, Cowboy !!!




I CARE ENOUGH ABOUT YOU , TO TRY AND REACH YOU THIS ONE

LAST TIME, COWBOY....AFTER THIS, I WILL NOT TRY ANYMORE, AS I

HAVE DONE ALL I CAN DO NOW...TO TRY AND GET THRU TO YOU .

No, again you are fast to judge. Jesus is not a separate God from the Father. We worship ONE God, through Jesus. We obey Jesus we are obeying the Father. They are two separate "persons" but they are one God eg., The Father and I are one. But they are separate entities which can be show in the verses "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" Jesus was clearly speaking to a separate "being, person". A "God" is not an entity in itself. Know ye not that ye are Gods"?



Why spread false witness against another brother in Christ? I do not believe any such thing.




When I say separate "entity" I'm saying the same thing as when you say separate "person".



I never said specifically that. I don't follow "religion", I follow "Christ". I follow as Jesus says not as "Christians" say or any other titled group of people or one single person other then Jesus.



Yes I do. Jesus and the father is one God. Do you truly listen? Or do you just "reply"?



No it's the truth. In the prophecies of Jesus' birth it specifically says God's SON. While Jesus was on the cross, God the father said "This is my SON in whom I'm well pleased".



I say the same thing today as I did yesterday, and the day before, and so on. I worship ONE God. I worship God the father through Jesus Christ. There is no other way to the Father but through Jesus.

You do NOT Believe the 3 persons are ONE ENTITY .



Do you NOT Believe Jesus and the Father and The Holy Spirit are

ONE ENTITY .

YET...you continue to DECEIVE.......




I will continue to Pray for you, Cowboy....

But you will hear from me no more .

I deceive nothing, why are you always pointing fingers trying to make it appear I don't know what I'm talking about?

"Christianity" has very limited beliefs specifically to itself.

And no I don't believe the 3 persons to be one "entity". I believe them to be one "God" yes, but clearly three separate entities. Both Jesus and The Holy Spirit were present at the baptism. Both The Father and Jesus were present at the crucifixion.

Got a question for you MorningSong, think it's best asked with a scripture.

Matthew 16:15-16
15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Question: "What does the Bible teach about the Trinity?"


Answer: The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to perfectly and completely understand it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are; therefore, we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different Persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind. However, this does not mean the Trinity is not true or that it is not based on the teachings of the Bible.



The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity:



1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).


2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.



In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.



3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father.



4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).



5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14.



6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.



The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.



The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.



There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity. However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration.



The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God’s Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God—but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Beyond that, the issues are, to a certain extent, debatable and non-essential. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with our finite human minds, we would be better served by focusing on the fact of God's greatness and His infinitely higher nature. “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” (Romans 11:33-34).

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....... JESUS THE SON OF GOD ......


1) Called God or Ascribed Deity:

OT: Gen 19:24; Ps 45:7; Isa 7:14; 9:6; Jer 23:5f; Zech 2:10-3:2; 12:10

NT: Matt 1:22f; John 1:1; 5:18; 20:28; Acts 20:28; Rom 8:9; 9:5; Phil 2:5-9; Col 2:9; 1Tim 3:16; Titus 2:13; Heb 1:3,8f; 2Pet 1:1; 1John 5:20.



2) Spoke and Acted as God:

Omnipresent: Matt 18:20; 28:20; John 1:48; 3:13.

Omniscient: Matt 11:27; 12:25; Mark 2:8; Luke 9:46; 11:17; John 4:16-18.

Foretold the future: Matt 16:21; 24:18f,25; 26:21-25,31-35; Mark 14:30; John 6:64,70f; 21:18f (cp. Isa 41:21-23).

Omnipotent: Rev 1:8; 3:7.

Sovereign: Matt 17:24-27; 28:18.

Controlled the weather: Matt 14:32; Mark 4:39-41 (cp. Job 38:25-38; Ps 135:7).

Incomprehensible: Matt 11:27.

Holy: Josh 5:13-15 (cp. Exod 3:5f); John 8:46.

Gave commandments: Matt 5:27f,31f.

Forgave sin: Mark 2:5-11; Luke 7:47.

Love: Matt 20:28; John 15:13.



3) Ascribed Attributes of God:

Omnipresent: Eph 1:22f; 4:10.

Omniscient: John 2:23-25; 16:30; 21:17.

Omnipotent: Phil 3:20f.

Sovereign: Acts 10:36.

Eternal: Isa 9:6; Mic 5:2; John 1:1; 17:5,24; Col 1:17; Heb 7:3.

Immutable: Heb 1:8-12; 13:8.

Preeminent: Col 1:18 (cp. Ps 97:9; 148:13).

Good: John 7:12.

Holy: Matt 26:59f; Mark 4:36-41; Luke 5:1-11; 2Cor 5:21; Heb 4:15; 7:26; Rev 1:17.

Righteous: Luke 23:47; 2Cor 5:21; 1John 2:1.

Just: Zech 9:9.

Wrath: Rev 6:15-17 (cp. 11:17f).

Grace, Mercy, and Love: Matt 9:36; 14:14; John 13:1; 1Thes 5:28.



4) Does Acts of God:

Creates and Sustains: Gen 1:1; Isa 44:24; John 44:24; John 1:13; Col 1:16f; Heb 1:2f.

Gives life: Gen 2:7; 1Tim 6:13; John 1:4; 5:21; 11:25; Acts 3:15.

Judges: Ps 96:13; John 5:22f; 2Tim 4:1; Heb 13:4.

Redeems: Ps 130:7f; Isa 43:25; 44:22; Eph 1:7; Titus Heb 9:12-15; 1Pet 1:18f.

Saves: Isa 45:22; Acts 2:21; 4:12; 16:30f; 1Tim 1:15; Heb 12:2.

Fills the hungry soul: Ps 107:9; John 6:48-51.

Calms the storm: Ps 107:29; Matt 8:26.



5) Treated Like God:

Worshipped: Josh 5:13-15; Matt 14:33; 28:9,17; John 9:38; Phil 2:10f; Heb 1:6; 2Peter 3:18; Rev 5:8-14 (ct. Acts 12:20-23; 14:8-15; Rev 19:10).

Receives Divine service: Rev 22:3f (cp. Exod 20:3-5; Matt 4:10).

Prayed to: Acts 7:59f; 2Cor 12:8; 1John 5:13-15.

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Question: "What is Trinitarianism? Is Trinitarianism biblical?"



Answer: Trinitarianism is the teaching that God is triune, that He

has revealed Himself in three co-equal and co-eternal Persons. The

purpose of this article is to discuss the importance of

Trinitarianism in regard to salvation and the Christian life.



We are often asked the question, “Do I have to believe in the

Trinity to be saved?” The answer is yes and no. Does a person have

to fully understand and agree with every aspect of Trinitarianism

to be saved? No. Are there some aspects of Trinitarianism that play

key roles in salvation? Yes. For example, the DEITY OF CHRIST is

CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT to the doctrine of SALVATION.



If Jesus were not God, His death could not have paid the infinite

penalty of sin. Only God is infinite—He had no beginning, and He

has no end. All other creatures, including angels, are finite; they

were created at some point. Only the death of an INFINITE BEING

could ATONE for the sin of mankind throughout eternity.



IF JESUS WERE NOT GOD,HE COULD NOT BE THE SAVIOUR , THE

MESSIAH ,THE LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD

(John 1:29). An UNBIBLICAL view of Jesus' DIVINE nature results in

an ERRANT view of salvation. Every “Christian” cult that DENIES the

true DEITY OF CHRIST also teaches that we must add our own works

to Christ's death in order to be saved. The TRUE AND FULL DEITY

OF CHRIST, an aspect of Trinitarianism, refutes this concept.









( both posts from gotquestions.org )

what????????????????????

you mean that Cowboy wasn't telling the truth was he told me

that the Holy Spirit and The Holy Ghost are not the same but two different entities

that God is not the actual Father of Jesus like a human father and son but was adopted by God ...that mean that "Begotten Son" means step son and that God giving his only Begotton Son to be nailed to the cross is meaningless since it wasn't his biological son

that Christians don't worship "Jesus as God" then he told he worship Jesus as God

that Jesus is not the seed of Abraham which means that Jesus is not the Messiah

that Jesus is both "the son and the holy spirit" but not the father thereby making Jesus higher than God

this is just some of the things that he told me in this thread

in other threads he told me that Jesus was the Father of Christians and that the Father of Jesus was Grandpa God

he told me that Jesus was the Creator of the Heavens and The Earth and not the Father

he told me that Jesus is Lord God and the King of all Gods..which means that he is King of God the Father

he told me that God didn't drown any babies during the Great Flood but place all of them on Noah's Ark

and if i ask him if this is false gospel he tells me no......

isn't it a fact that Christians never lie... which means that Cowboy had to be telling the truth about everything

are you sure this map is accurate...Cowboy said that Jesus is both the Son and The Holy Spirit

according to Cowboy there should only be two circles not Three circles...one circle for the Father and one circle for Jesus/Holy Spirit

Very good diagram, that's exactly what I been saying this whole time. To understand this, one can not personify "God". "God" is a title of authority. That is why Jesus said, your lord "Thy God". But even while Jesus was on the cross, he cried out "my God, my God".

I was incorrect about Jesus being the Holy Spirit, I do believe. Marry was conceived BY the Holy Spirit with further readings, as in the Holy Spirit planted the seed of Jesus in Marry. Because in later verses, all three are present at the exact same time.

It's not that I wasn't telling the truth as in lying. This is a "discussion" board. I discuss my thoughts, beliefs, ect as this is what this forum is intended. I post my thoughts to either possibly teach, or be corrected by someone who know's different/better. This isn't a preaching board, again just a discussion board for both teaching and learning.

jeez...finally......now that you have learned that Jesus is not The Holy Spirit and was conceived by The Holy Spirit ...now can you explain why Jesus is not credited with being his Begotton Son

These two verses may show who the Holy Spirit is. The Holy Spirit is a spirit that is holy. God the father is holy, the Holy Spirit is holy and so forth. When it speaks of the Holy Spirit it may be referring to the spirit of the father. Further investigation is needed on my part before I make any firm statement.



Matthew 3:16
16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Mark 1:10
10And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him

I now am seeing the "Holy Spirit" as the spirit of the father from verses such as, it says specifically "HIS SPIRIT" and is mentioning things as mentioned about the Holy Spirit. -

1 Corinthians 2:10-11
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Found a winner

Ephesians 4:30
30And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Jesus command was that his followers spread his word which means for his followers here on "Mingle2 General Chat Forum" this is a preaching board...since you claim to be a Christian aka follower of Jesus...then you are either here to follower his commands to spread the word or you are here to spread Satan's word

Why you always try to make the person you're discussing with look bad or try to make them feel bad? This can be shown by your comments of "spread Satan's word". Not one of us know EXACTLY how the word is to be understood. That is why we are told to congregate eg., study the word TOGETHER.

it's because you insist that you are not here to spread the word which goes against the command handed down by Jesus

so if you are not here to spread the word of Jesus as you claim...whos word is left for you to spread..... Satan perhaps?

how do you know that God wasn't talking about the Dove being his Son ...but anyway...are you saying that God spirit descended to Earth as a Dove but yet he left his voice in Heaven

and if his spirit is on Earth....that means that he has no Spirit in Heaven

these passage only indicate that God is not omnipresent.....if God exist everywhere...why would he have to descend