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Does anyone have any thoughts to share about the concept of pantheism (the idea that everything is god)?
as much as I dislike to use the G-word when discussing my thoughts, or label myself with any 'ism', I find this concept gels with me. If everything that ever was or will be was once one (before the big bang) then why not call that 'one' (and therefore everything in the universe) god? |
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I have a pantheistic view of God. I think that a pantheistic God is
completely consistent with Abrahamic religions and Eastern religions it is a very appealing way of looking at God from my perspective. Unifying. |
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could you explain how the concept is completely consistent with religions? I can't see that. from my p.o.v. the former negates the latter (not entirely, but enough to strip away any amount of dogma and differences between them).
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Edited by
Ruth34611
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Mon 10/24/11 05:43 PM
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I believe that God created everything and therefore everything has part of God in it. We are all a part of God and God is within each of us. I'm not sure if that qualifies as a pantheistic viewpoint or not.
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could you explain how the concept is completely consistent with religions? I can't see that. from my p.o.v. the former negates the latter (not entirely, but enough to strip away any amount of dogma and differences between them). Religions believe in God as a unifying concept. The Universe and everything in it certainly could be this God. The pantheistic God is unique - there is only One and includes us as well as all nature and thought as well (as a subset of thinking beings). So it is all rather grand and inclusive and such a view of God if universally accepted by the world's religions as the one true God could serve to unite those who fall under differing rituals and observances. So different holidays and methods of prayer etc. are just different ways of honoring the same universal God. |
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I believe that God created everything and therefore everything has part of God in it. We are all a part of God and God is within each of us. I'm not sure if that qualifies as a pantheistic viewpoint or not. I think that is consistent with a pantheistic view of God. |
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So different holidays and methods of prayer etc. are just different ways of honoring the same universal God. This is what I believe. |
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could you explain how the concept is completely consistent with religions? I can't see that. from my p.o.v. the former negates the latter (not entirely, but enough to strip away any amount of dogma and differences between them). Religions all start in a good way. Then comes the 'need' of the elect of the religion to control the message. so they begin to place 'intersessors', 'advocates' and 'rituals' between the devout and the 'god'... When an intersessor is placed between man and god 'evil' has slithered in. (aye even some religions still alive today warn of what the 'intersessor' is... No matter how you 'cloth' that 'barrier' between man and god, or what name you give him... Following such a way opens the door for 'evil'... |
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..............Question: "What is pantheism?"............... Answer: Pantheism is the view that God is everything and everyone and that everyone and everything is God. Pantheism is similar to polytheism (the belief in many gods), but goes beyond polytheism to teach that everything is God. A tree is God, a rock is God, an animal is God, the sky is God, the sun is God, you are God, etc. Pantheism is the supposition behind many cults and false religions (e.g., Hinduism and Buddhism to an extent, the various unity and unification cults, and “mother nature” worshippers). Does the Bible teach pantheism? NO, it does NOT. What many people CONFUSE as pantheism is the doctrine of God's OMNIPRESENCE. Psalm 139:7-8 declares, “Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.” God's Omnipresence means HE IS PRESENT EVERYWHERE. There is no place in the universe where God is not present. This is NOT the same thing as pantheism. God is everywhere, but He is not everything. Yes, God is “present” inside a tree and inside a person, but that does NOT make that tree or person God. Pantheism is not at all a biblical belief. The clearest biblical arguments against pantheism are the countless commands against idolatry. The Bible forbids the worship of idols, angels, celestial objects, items in nature, etc. If pantheism were true, it would not be wrong to worship such an object, because that object would, in fact, be God. If pantheism were true, worshipping a rock or an animal would have just as much validity as worshipping God as an invisible and spiritual being. The Bible’s clear and consistent denunciation of idolatry is a conclusive argument against pantheism.  
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Id say then, I believe more in omnnipresence than pantheism.
Mush like my great grandfather is a part of (DNA) everyone that came after him,, yet everyone after him is a distinct individual. I dont believe everything is God, I do believe God created every living thing with the ability to also create. |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Tue 10/25/11 04:39 AM
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..............Question: "What is pantheism?"............... Answer: Pantheism is the view that God is everything and everyone and that everyone and everything is God. Pantheism is similar to polytheism (the belief in many gods), but goes beyond polytheism to teach that everything is God. A tree is God, a rock is God, an animal is God, the sky is God, the sun is God, you are God, etc. Pantheism is the supposition behind many cults and false religions (e.g., Hinduism and Buddhism to an extent, the various unity and unification cults, and “mother nature” worshippers). This is just false. Pantheism is Monotheistic. There is only one God. It has nothing at all to do with polytheism. Read about it in the Wiki. According to Pantheism, Everything in Nature is a tiny part of God who is One. A more correct way to describe it is as follows: A tree is a tiny part of God, a rock is a tiny part of God, an animal is a tiny part of God, the sky is tiny part of God, the sun is a tiny part of God, you are a tiny part of God...etc. All added together you begin to see the glory of our entire world - all the things which comprise God's creation. Jesus also and the Holy Spirit are a part of God. Pantheism is a beautiful vision of the totality of God consistent with all the religions of the world including Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism, and all other religions which can see God in this way. Pantheism has nothing at all to do with polytheism, rituals or cults. If you believe God to be truly and absolutely infinite then you will ultimately be led to a pantheistic view of God because anything less is a subset of this pantheistic view of God. This is the way this idea was first laid out by the philosopher Spinoza 350 years ago.
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 10/25/11 03:16 PM
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..............Question: "What is pantheism?"............... Answer: Pantheism is the view that God is everything and everyone and that everyone and everything is God. Pantheism is similar to polytheism (the belief in many gods), but goes beyond polytheism to teach that everything is God. A tree is God, a rock is God, an animal is God, the sky is God, the sun is God, you are God, etc. Pantheism is the supposition behind many cults and false religions (e.g., Hinduism and Buddhism to an extent, the various unity and unification cults, and “mother nature” worshippers). Slowhand wrote: This is just false. Pantheism is Monotheistic. There is only one God. It has nothing at all to do with polytheism. Read about it in the Wiki. According to Pantheism, Everything in Nature is a tiny part of God who is One. A more correct way to describe it is as follows: A tree is a tiny part of God, a rock is a tiny part of God, an animal is a tiny part of God, the sky is tiny part of God, the sun is a tiny part of God, you are a tiny part of God...etc. All added together you begin to see the glory of our entire world - all the things which comprise God's creation. Jesus also and the Holy Spirit are a part of God. Pantheism is a beautiful vision of the totality of God consistent with all the religions of the world including Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism, and all other religions which can see God in this way. Pantheism has nothing at all to do with polytheism, rituals or cults. If you believe God to be truly and absolutely infinite then you will ultimately be led to a pantheistic view of God because anything less is a subset of this pantheistic view of God. This is the way this idea was first laid out by the philosopher Spinoza 350 years ago.
Slowhand....Pantheism's view is this: Everything IS God. Now...this is NOT what the bible teaches!!! The bible teaches that God is IN Everything....NOT...God IS Everything. See the difference? God is IN everything....YES......but while God is ABLE to be IN everything ,and Aalso able to be everywhere AT ONCE, God ALSO is an ENTIRELY SEPARATE SUPREME BEING from HIS CREATION....WHO REMAINS APART from His creation !!!! Again...Almighty God is able to be IN everything and be everywhere AT ONCE ( Those are just two of the MANY characteristics of THE ONE SUPREME BEING WHO IS OUR ALMIGHTY GOD ) !!!! AGAIN.......although God is IN Everything and is also everywhere AT ONCE, God is a SUPREME BEING ....ENTIRELY APART from His creation. Pantheism HOWEVER, do NOT believe in a Supreme Being(God Almighty) Who is entirely APART from His creation AT ALL..... they just believe EVERYTHING IS God!!! Read thru the following again: "....Pantheism is SIMILAR to polytheism (the belief in many gods), but goes BEYOND polytheism to teach that everything IS God. To pantheists, A tree is God, a rock is God, an animal is God, the sky is God, the sun is God, you are God, etc." Now Slowhand.....there are many variations of panthesim... some panthesists worship mother nature , for instance. THAT right there is where worshiping of a god( idol worship) comes in... instead of Worshiping Almighty God( which again , panthesists DON'T do, simply because they DON'T beleive there even is ONE Almighty Supreme Being , WHO is SEPARATE from His creation, at all. We are to worship GOD ALMIGHTY ONLY, not other gods. See now how pantheism can be "similar" to polythesim? Notice the word, SIMILAR.
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 10/25/11 04:14 PM
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Slowhand wrote:
A more correct way to describe it is as follows:
A tree is a tiny part of God, a rock is a tiny part of God, an animal is a tiny part of God, the sky is tiny part of God, the sun is a tiny part of God, you are a tiny part of God...etc. All added together you begin to see the glory of our entire world - all the things which comprise God's creation. Jesus also and the Holy Spirit are a part of God Slowhand.....
A tree is NOT a tiny part of God, a rock is NOT a tiny part of God, an animal is NOT a tiny part of God, the sky is NOT a tiny part of God, the sun is NOT a tiny part of God, you are NOT a tiny part of God...etc. HOWEVER....ALL THESE THINGS ABOVE, ARE A TINY PART OF GOD'S CREATION. AGAIN....NOT A TINY PART OF GOD...BUT A TINY PART OF GOD'S CREATION!!! BIG DIFFERENCE HERE. God is IN a tree, God is IN a rock ,God is IN the sky. God is IN the sun, God is IN the rain, God is IN the storm, God is IN you and me and ALL of us....God is IN His Creation........God is IN EVERYTHING and ALSO EVERYWHERE... BUT BUT BUT ..... AT THE SAME TIME THAT GOD IS IN EVERYTHING AND EVERYWHERE ,THIS AMAZING ALMIGHTY GOD STILL FOREVER REMAINS AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE SUPREME BEING FROM HIS CREATION!!!!! Taking the rock here,for instance.....A rock can NOT be a part of God , because although God is IN the rock, God is SEPARATE from the rock....the Creator is NOT the Creation. REPEAT!!!!  
THE CREATOR IS NOT NOT NOT THE CREATION.
Slowhand also wrote: All added together you begin to see the glory of our entire
world - all the things which comprise God's creation. Yes....All things COMPRISE God's CREATION...YES.... as long as it is understood that the Creation and the Creator are NOT the same.....God is NOT the Creation. God is BEFORE All things and AFTER All things.....God WAS and IS and FOREVER SHALL BE. Before there was EVER a thing yet created at all , GOD ALWAYS WAS AND FOREVER SHALL BE!!! EVEN AFTER THE PRESENT HEAVENS AND EARTH SHALL PASS AWAY ONE DAY....GOD STILL WILL REMAIN...FOREVER AND FOREVER AND FOREVER MORE ...BECAUSE GOD IS "I AM "!!! GOD IS ETERNAL....... POINT BEING AGAIN.... GOD IS NOT HIS CREATION.....BUT GOD IS IN HIS CREATION.. Slowhand also wrote: Jesus also and the Holy Spirit are a part of God
Jesus and The Holy Spirit are the Second and Third Person of the Triune Godhead...they are not just part of God, they ARE God...both Jesus and the Holy Spirit are EQUALLY AS MUCH GOD a AS THE FATHER ( Father, being the first person of the triune Godhead), and all Three Persons of the ONE GODHEAD make up ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY. BUT notice ...when we are talking about Jesus and the Holy Spirit here, we are talking about GOD , not God's creation!!!
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All things are a manifestation of God and God is in all things.
Pantheism. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 10/25/11 05:21 PM
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All things are a manifestation of God and God is in all things. Pantheism. That is not Pantheism you described there, Jeannie.
Pantheism is a view that All things ARE God , not JUST a manifestation OF God.... and pantheism is a view that God IS all things(everything), not IN all things(everythng). Lets see what Wikipedia says :
Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) AND God (or divinity) ARE IDENTICAL.[1] Pantheists thus do NOT BELIEVE in a PERSONAL, anthropomorphic or CREATOR GOD. The word derives from the Greek (pan) meaning "ALL" and the Greek (theos) meaning "GOD". As such, Pantheism denotes the idea that "GOD" is best SEEN as a PROCESS of RELATING OT THE UNIVERSE.[2] Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the CENTRAL ideas found in almost all versions are the COSMOS ARE AN ALL-ENCOMPASSING UNITY AND THE SACREDNESS OF NATURE." more at....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism Now...the bible DOES teach that God is IN all things.... but the bible does NOT teach that God IS all things. And Christians DO LOVE God's Creation.....and PRAISE GOD FOR God's Wonderful Creation ,and stand in AWE at the BEAUTY of God's Marvelous Creation......... BUT..... Christians do NOT WORSHIP God's Creation.....we Christians WORSHIP ONLY the CREATOR. ( But, according to the pantheistic view ,there is NO creator, just the creation only( or universe). Hope this helps to clarify now.
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If God is IN everything then everything can be considered to be
a tiny part of God. There is nothing in the Bible to say that this is not a completely fine way to look at God.
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god is everything and everything is god
we just don't agree (for the most part) WHAT god is |
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G.O.D. Good Orderly Direction works for me.
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 10/25/11 06:59 PM
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All things are a manifestation of God and God is in all things. Pantheism. That is not Pantheism you described there, Jeannie.
Pantheism is a view that All things ARE God , not JUST a manifestation OF God.... and pantheism is a view that God IS all things(everything), not IN all things(everythng). Lets see what Wikipedia says :
Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) AND God (or divinity) ARE IDENTICAL.[1] Pantheists thus do NOT BELIEVE in a PERSONAL, anthropomorphic or CREATOR GOD. The word derives from the Greek (pan) meaning "ALL" and the Greek (theos) meaning "GOD". As such, Pantheism denotes the idea that "GOD" is best SEEN as a PROCESS of RELATING OT THE UNIVERSE.[2] Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the CENTRAL ideas found in almost all versions are the COSMOS ARE AN ALL-ENCOMPASSING UNITY AND THE SACREDNESS OF NATURE." more at....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism Now...the bible DOES teach that God is IN all things.... but the bible does NOT teach that God IS all things. And Christians DO LOVE God's Creation.....and PRAISE GOD FOR God's Wonderful Creation ,and stand in AWE at the BEAUTY of God's Marvelous Creation......... BUT..... Christians do NOT WORSHIP God's Creation.....we Christians WORSHIP ONLY the CREATOR. ( But, according to the pantheistic view ,there is NO creator, just the creation only( or universe). Hope this helps to clarify now.
I don't really think you should try to describe a specific belief about pantheism any more than you can describe Christianity in a single way. I don't accept other people's (or wiki's) definition about it any more than you accept other people's description of what Christianity is. You have you own understanding about that. If it were that simple, there would only be one Christian denomination not hundreds. My pantheist church views all things as a manifestation of God, which is not meant to mean creation of God that is separate from God.) Being a manifestation of God, it can is also considered to "be God" just as my body is considered to "be me." But I don't consider my body to be "me." I am spirit (or a soul personality) or a spiritual being. That is who I am and that is who God is. The spirit is the true individual, not the body. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 10/25/11 07:28 PM
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If God is IN everything then everything can be considered to be a tiny part of God. There is nothing in the Bible to say that this is not a completely fine way to look at God.
I do understand what you are saying ,Slowhand.
And although I do understand what you mean here, ,it is not what pantheists mean ,when they say what you are saying here. 
AGAIN..... GOD THE CREATOR, WHO IS ALMIGHTY GOD, IS THE ONE AND ONLY SUPREME BEING WHO MADE ALLL ....AND IS OVER ALLL...... AND IS THEREFORE, AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE BEING FROM HIS CREATION. AND BECAUSE ALMIGHTY GOD IS AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE SUPREME BEING FROM HIS CREATION , we therefore Can NOT be a tiny part OF GOD HIMSELF ( again,although God is IN all things and everywhere at once, God will ALWAYS remain a SEPARATE BEING APART from His creation). But we ARE a part of God's CREATION . NOW....WHEN We, Who Are a part of God's CREATION, are REJOINED back into FELLOWSHIP WITH God the CREATOR(which happens when we become born again) ,we then become the BODY OF CHRIST ...because we now have been JOINED back into FELLOWSHIP WITH God...but we never never never will be a PART OF GOD ALMIGHY HIMSELF..... WHO IS AND REMAINS ,AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE SUPREME BEING FROM HIS CREATION.....NOW AND FOREVER . AGAIN......EVEN THOUGH WE ARE REJOINED BACK INTO FELLOWSHIP WITH HIM THRU SALVATION , AND ARE ALSO MADE HEIRS TO RULE AND REIGN WITH GOD FOREVER, GOD FOREVER AND FOREVER AND FOREVER STILL REMAINS GOD ALMIGHTY.......A SEPARATE SUPREME BEING OVER ALL......AND ABOVE ALLL....... WHO IS WORTHY OF OUR PRAISE AND ADORATION..... FOREVER AND EVER AND EVERMORE!!!! AMEN!!!  <<<< tea with wild orange blossom honey
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