Cowboy....again....your words "sound" the same as a

christian believes....but your words do not mean the same

thing at all.

You still don't believe in the DEITY of Jesus Christ....


you still don't believe Jesus IS EQUALLY GOD WITH The

Father..which makes JESUS AS MUCH GOD AS THE FATHER.


Cowboy....you cannot call Jesus "lord and saviour",and call him

" our god" ( as you say),...but then believe him to be an

entirely SEPARATE " god " from GOD ALMIGHTY.


Basically, to just believe Jesus is a " separate god" from GOD, is

no different than idol worship then...because, when you call Jesus

lord, but don't beleive He is GOD...

therefore, your calling Jesus "lord", is no different

than someone in the olden days ,calling their

master lord...and nothing more.



Also.....to believe Jesus is a whole

"seaparate god" from GOD ALMIGHTY ,means no SALVATION could

take place....

we have to believe in the REAL Jesus....JESUS THE CHRIST , in

order for Jesus thru the Holy Spirit,to come in and INDWELL us.


God"s Holy Spirit won't come into a heart that does not really

believe nor accept the TRUTH about WHO GOD'S SON REALLY IS.


But again...I am STILL Believing God WILL make THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS

WORD, very clear to you one day.


Amen.

Jesus is our god, do you know what "god" means?

: a person or thing of supreme value

: a powerful ruler

Here is two definitions of "god".

When Jesus was on the cross, Jesus yelled "God, why have you forsaken me?" His father is his "god". He is his supreme, he is his ruler. We are the rulers of this planet eg., we are the top of the food chain. And is why it is said "know ye not that ye are gods?" Cause we are the of supreme value on this planet, we are the rulers of it.

Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy spirit are all one God. They are all of supreme value, they are our rulers.

"god" in itself is not a being, is not an entity, is not anything of physical or spiritual substance. It is a descriptive word.

So once again, yes Jesus, his father, and the Holy Ghost are one god, they are one ruler. They work as one to rule us, they are of supreme value to us.

I think the representation of a man who is imagined as being "God" is a purely symbolic idea of something so abstract that it is difficult to comprehend from the human state of consciousness.

It boils down to... a perfect man is "God."

The universe, in my opinion is a conscious intelligence and Its prime goal is to manifest the perfect sentient being, which I believe is humanoid. The perfect human being who learns about love, compassion and self realization. A perfect manifestation of sentient conscious life.

In order to understand the things of The Spirit, we

must come to God in

spirit and truth....


not intellect.

Cowboy wrote:




Just gonna Pray here ,Cowboy.... no point in saying

anything more......simply because only GOD ALONE is ABLE to

make His Word clear to you...no one else.

Amen!!.

I'm may paraphrase a bit here, feel free to address anything you may feel needs to be addressed.


I do NOT believe in the trinity. I have sound reason to believe it is a Pagan construct like that of the virgin birth.

Jesus is NOT my savior, Yahweh is...
Isaiah 43:11
“I, even I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me.

Jesus' real name, Yeshua litterally means "Yahweh Saves"...


Sacrifices, rituals and the like are of Pagan, if not earlier, origins.
I do NOT accept Yeshua's sacrifice as attonement for my sins...

Psalm 49:6-8
New International Version (NIV)

6 those who trust in their wealth
and boast of their great riches?
7 No one can redeem the life of another
or give to God a ransom for them—
8 the ransom for a life is costly,
no payment is ever enough—



Deuteronomy 24:16
New International Version (NIV)

16 Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.


We were instructed to NOT worship God as the heathens do, yet I see remnants of those ancient traditions to this very day.

If what I said was incorrect, please explain why Jesus referred to his father as "god" then. These verses are a very good example of what "god" means. Jesus said his father was greater then he eg., was supreme to Jesus eg., was his god.

Matthew 27:45-46

45Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Everyone has an opinion and everyone has a personal relationship with spirit or God. Some people admit that do not know, and others insist that they know everything. Don't think you know more than the next guy. If you open your heart to let love out, then that is God.

Hebrews 9:22
22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

Genesis 8:20-21
King James Version
20And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

21And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
(notice, when he smelled a SWEET savour eg., it was good and pleasing.)

Leviticus 16:15
15 “Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering that is for the people and bring its blood inside the veil and do with its blood as he did with the blood of the bull, sprinkling it over the mercy seat and in front of the mercy seat.

Leviticus 16:20-22

20And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:

21And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

22And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

You know what just hit me again, like ten tons of

bricks just now??


God made it already SOOOOO clear for us to be able to

understand about GOD BEING A TRIUNE GOD.




How?


Well...it says it right there in Genesis....

where God said," Let US make man in OUR

IMAGE..."



I mean....God made MAN a TRIUNE being .....


just Like GOD(Who said ,"let US make man in OUR image") is ALSO a

TRIUNE SUPREME BEING......


I mean....what better way for God to help man understand about

GOD BEING A TRIUNE GOD,

then to make mAn also a triune being !!!!!!!!


YET...we miss it.....and argue...and still don't get it...and

argue some more....



OK...I am outta here...nite folks.....

Good night MorningSong, glad it's getting clear for you :). May God be with you.

Miles, Because of the length of the article you

shared earlier, I didn't

quote it here....( others may go back to page 11 on this

thread to read it, if they haven't already).


Miles......when I post something from the internet, I always

double check now, to MAKE SURE

that what the author is writing about ,

IS coming from the LEADING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT .....

and I also double check to MAKE SURE what the author is

writing about,

LINES UP WITH THE WORD OF GOD.


The author of your post, quoted scriptures CORRECTLY,

BUT, then turned around and just gave HIS OWN INTERPRETATION

of the scriptures.....

rather than The HOLY SPIRIT LED INTERPRETATION.




Spirit filled believers (who are now Indwelt with the Holy Spirit)

are able to RECOGNIZE the DIFFERENCE.


This is WHY it is so very important to be truly BORN AGAIN and

INDWELT WITH the HOLY SPIRIT, in order that we ARE able Now to

CORRECTLY dicipher God's Word ...

and also , to be able to tell the difference between TRUTH

versus MAN'S OPINION .


ALL Spirit Filled Believers AGREE....cause ALL Spirit Filled

Beleivers RECOGNIZE the Shephered's Voice..and thus are able to

recognize When the Holy Spirit is Speaking thru someone....and when

the Holy Spirit is not speaking thru someone.


Be Blessed Now, Miles.

Psalm 40:6
New King James Version (NKJV)


6 Sacrifice and offering You did not desire;
My ears You have opened.
Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require





Isaiah 1:10-12
New King James Version (NKJV)

10 Hear the word of the LORD,
You rulers of Sodom;
Give ear to the law of our God,
You people of Gomorrah:
11 “ To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?”
Says the LORD. “ I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
And the fat of fed cattle. I do not delight in the blood of
bulls, Or of lambs or goats.
12 “ When you come to appear before Me, Who has required this from
your hand, To trample My courts?




Jeremiah 7:21-23
New King James Version (NKJV)

21 Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: “Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices and eat meat. 22 For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. 23 But this is what I commanded them, saying, ‘Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you.’

But God also knew we couldn't OBEY God on our

own strength, Peter Pan.....God already knew this from the

very start...that is why God sent us his Son.....


( this is why we have to look at the WHOLE of scriptures, and

not just some parts of scriptures , in order to fully

understand ALL that God is Saying in His Word ) .


Posted this earlier(see below).....posting it again...this helps:

......................



Genesis 3:21 states the first known blood covenant God made with man in His great love, for the forgiveness of sin.

In that blood covenant, God sacrificed an innocent perfect lamb which provided sanctification and a covering of their exposure or nakedness which was in essence an awakening to their senses as knowing the difference between right and wrong for the first time.

In light of that, God had set up a religious system for the cleansing of sin on a continual basis which was practiced by God’s people as a means of atonement.

At regular times throughout the year, the High Priest, who was the only one capable of going before the presence of God on behalf of the people, regulated the atonement.

KNOWING MAN'S INCAPABILITY TO MAINTAIN PERFECTION BY MEANS OF THE LAW that was set up in the OLD COVENANT, God’s COMPASSION and GREAT LOVE FOR MANKIND allowed for a NEW COVENANT.

This would be an everlasting covenant to be established through the SENDING of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus became the true Lamb of God that took away the sins of the world and bring peace and restoration to a broken relationship between God and His people once and for all.


This covenant is from everlasting to everlasting and has eternal significance to the soul of man. Our souls were destined for eternal punishment because of our inability to be righteous and tendency to given in to temptations.


Praise God that Jesus became that High Priest for us.
In Hebrews 2:5, it states,

For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels. But one testifies in a certain place, saying, “What is man that You are mindful of him, or the Son of man that You take care of him? You have made him a little lower than the angels; You have crowned him with glory and honor. And set him over the works of Your hands. You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”

For in that He put all in subjection under him. He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.


Also, it says in Isaiah 53:10:
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him. He has put Him to grief when you make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand. He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities. Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great.


Jesus our High Priest forevermore ,died so we could be set free from eternal death. GOD SAW FIT TO MAKE THE SACRIFICE OF HIS ONLY SON, JESUS CHRIST, as a seed sown for the harvest of our souls for eternity and so we could be redeemed into the family of God.

Hope it is getting clearer for you too, Cowboy.

Goodnite now...Love you ,Kiddo

....................THE GODHEAD......................

Ok...One more time.... ....with study questions

following:


What is God like? Is He the Man upstairs? Is He a harsh Judge waiting for us to do something wrong so He can zap us? Did he create the world and set it in motion and then retreat from involvement with it? Or is He whatever a person wants him to be? Is it really possible to know God?

It would be impossible to find God or know Him unless He revealed Himself, and He has. We learned last week that He has revealed His deity and power in the created universe. We call that Generalrevelation. But we needed more, and He revealed more. In what we call Special revelation He gave us His written Word, which He has protected and preserved through the millennia of human history. Then in further special revelation He sent His Son to show us tangibly and visibly what God is like.

God The Trinity
Read Deuteronomy 6:4

Read Isaiah 45:5

There is only one God. This is monotheism. The theme reverberates throughout Scripture. Yet we see other facts that can be confusing unless they are harmonized. There is only one true God. But the Bible also says clearly that there was a man, Jesus Christ who claimed equality with God and there is Someone called the Holy Spirit who is also equal with God.

Read John 6:27; 20:28; and Acts 5:3-4.

The Father is God; Jesus Christ is God; the Holy Spirit is God.

How can those facts be harmonized? This can’t mean that we have three Gods, because God is One. That is why we believe in God as Trinity or Triunity. The word Trinity is not found in the Bible, but the concept is clearly there. For want of a better word, we believe that there are three Persons in the Godhead.

Read Matthew 3:16-17.

Jesus was being baptized, the Spirit descended like a dove, and the Father spoke from heaven. All three persons of the Godhead were present.

Read Matthew 28:19.

This is the Great Commission. Notice that believers are to be baptized in the name (singular) of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Triunity).

Read 2 Corinthians 13:14.

This benediction is clearly Trinitarian.

It’s important to understand this from the beginning, because whatever is true of God the Father is true of Jesus Christ the Son and is true of the Holy Spirit. We mustn’t assign lesser positions or attributes to the members of the Godhead. Even though there is order in the Trinity: the Son submits to the Father and the Spirit submits to the Son and the Father, they each are co-equally, co-eternally God. However, the New Testament reveals that they have different functions. The Father is presented as electing, loving and bestowing. The Son is presented as suffering, redeeming and upholding the universe. The Holy Spirit is presented as regenerating, indwelling, baptizing, energizing, and sanctifying.

There’s communion, love and companionship within the Godhead. God is not lonely so that He created man for companionship. God is totally independent of His creation. Any relationship we can have with Him is initiated by Him. Let’s look at the ways God is the Father.

God The Father
Read Acts 17:28-29.

God is the Father over creation.

Read Ephesians 1:3

God is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Read Ephesians 3:14-15, Romans 8:15

God is the Father of all who believe in Christ.

The first thing then that we learn about our God is that He is one God in three persons--a Trinity.

What are some of the other things the Bible teaches us about God?

Attributes Of God
God is Spirit
Read John 4:24.

God cannot be confined to one place or be imagined with a physical body of any kind. That is one reason making images to represent Him or worship were forbidden. He cannot be seen by human eyes nor discovered by human research. The only perfect picture we have of God is in Jesus Christ.

Read John 1:18, John 14:9b.

When you wonder what God is like, look at Jesus. What Jesus did the Father was doing. What Jesus said, the Father was saying. What Jesus felt--His compassion, His sympathy, His anger at the cold-hearted and the hypocrites, His love for children, His love for His disciples--these are the feelings God has. If you have had a poor human model of fatherhood and envision your heavenly Father to be the same, you can correct your faulty concepts by looking at Jesus and seeing God.

God is Light
Read 1 John 1:5.

Light refers to what is good, holy, pure and true. Darkness represents evil. The absolute purity of God is not shadowed in any way by evil and sin. That’s why Jesus could say, “I am the Light of the world”(John 8:12). Light reveals. It makes it possible for us to see what is right. Since God is light, He also exposes our sin so we can deal with it and be forgiven. Light purifies. Light also gives warmth and power. It makes things grow. It’s only as we read God’s Word, believe it and obey it that we will walk in the light and grow more and more like Jesus. His light guides us and makes us grow to maturity.

God is Love
Read 1 John 4:8.

Love is God’s intrinsic character. He doesn’t have to drum it up like we sometimes do. The Greek word for love is agape, that unconditional love that we will find nowhere else. This love wants only what’s best for the one who is loved. Jesus said, “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you” (John 15:9).When we believe and rest in His love we will feel safe no matter what He permits in our lives. Our sense of worth will not be dependent on what people think of us. Rejection by a friend, husband, or child will not devastate us. We are loved by God. We are precious to Him. Nothing we can do will diminish that love. His love gives us significance.

God is Holy
Read Isaiah 6:3.

This is probably the most important attribute of God. Holiness means the total absence of evil. But it’s more than that. It includes a positive righteousness. Let me give you an analogy. What does it mean to be healthy? It means much more than just not being sick. It means being in a vigorous, robust, physical, mental and spiritual condition. God is holy and can do nothing that is inconsistent with his holy nature. Peter said to Jesus, “We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God” (John 6:69).

This Holy One, who died for us and rose from the dead, lives within us to make us holy. “Just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do” (1Peter 1:15). The Greek word for holy is the word that is often translated saint. To be holy or a saint is to be set apart for God’s exclusive use. God calls us saints when we trust the Lord Jesus, then the rest of our lives here on earth should be spent becoming more and more holy. Can you even begin to suppose that God who has not even a spot of evil in Him would have any plan for our lives which was not for our ultimate good? His holiness gives us confidence.

God is Omniscient (All-Knowing)
Read Psalm 147:4-5.

God knows everything--past, present and future. This includes not only knowing the things that will happen, but also the things that might happen. (Mention Jesus’ omniscience.) Think of what that implies for us who trust Him. If God knows all, then obviously nothing can come to light after our salvation which He did not know when He saved us. Nothing can shock or make him change his mind about saving us. No tragedy can enter our lives that He did not know would happen. And He has the wisdom and the power to keep our sorrows from being wasted. Because we have Jesus, we have all the wisdom we need to deal with whatever happens in this life. “It is because of [God] that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God ....” (1 Corinthians 1:30).God’s omniscience gives us certainty and truth.

God is Omnipotent (All-Powerful)
Read Jeremiah 32:27.

Read Matthew 19:26.

The Bible declares 56 times that God is the almighty One. He has the infinite power to accomplish all that He wills to do. What wonderful implications that has for us. Romans 1:16--power to save us, John 10:28--power to keep us; 1 Peter 1:5--power to protect us and guarantee our inheritance. Our salvation is secure because of God’s great power. He is able to keep us safe in His hands. God’s omnipotence safeguards our salvation.

God is Omnipresent
Read Psalm 139:7-10.

God is everywhere present. This is not pantheism. Pantheism says that God is IN everything--the sky, the tree, the rock, the mountain. Omnipresence means that God is present everywhere simultaneously, yet separate and distinct from the world and everything in it. We cannot escape from His notice. We can’t hide from His presence. What comfort that is for us who are His children. There is nowhere that we can be that He is not there with us. Just as he was in the fiery furnace with Daniel’s three friends, He’s with us in our trials and our joys.

Read Hebrews 13:5-6.

His constant presence is our help and protection.

God is Infinite and Eternal
Read Psalm 145:3.

Read Psalm 90:2.

It’s impossible for our finite minds to understand infinity. What it means is that God is not bound by the limitations of being finite, nor is he bound by the succession of events which is a necessary part of time. His eternality extends backward from our viewpoint in time as well as forward forever. He had no beginning and has no ending. When Isaiah prophesied about the Savior, he said: “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6).

For us, this means that we have an eternal home, a refuge, a hiding place, a fortress and a defense--God Himself. He won’t leave, or die. His term of office never ends. His infinity gives us security.

God is Immutable
Read James 1:17.

God never changes. When the Psalmist compared God with His creation he said, “[The earth and the heavens] will perish, but you remain .... You remain the same and your years will never end” (Psalm 102: 25-27).Everything on earth is subject to change: our bodies, our relationships, our careers, our homes, and our society. But God never changes in His inherent character. We can rely on Him with absolute certainty. He is absolutely faithful and dependable.

Read Hebrews 13:8.

Do you see what this implies about our salvation? God will never change his mind about saving us. He’ll never give up on us. He’ll never take back one of his promises. He doesn’t have to go back to square one and rework his plans because He’s made a mistake about us. He is immutable. His unchangeability also gives us security that lasts as longs as God does.

God is Sovereign
Read Isaiah 46:9-10.

The word sovereign means that God is the Supreme Being in the universe. His authority is total and absolute. Now frankly, that would scare me if I didn’t know something else about God that Scripture repeats over and over.

God is Good
Read Psalm 100:5.

Read Psalm 119:68.

God is also good, loving and faithful. I can trust His sovereignty because I know that His thoughts and plans for me will be only for my ultimate good. The speaker at our retreat stressed the fact that if we make up our minds ahead of time that God is good, then no matter what happens in our circumstances, we will be able to trust Him with our faith remaining strong.

Read Jude 4b.

His sovereignty and his goodness give us hope and comfort.

These are awesome characteristics. We are unable to grasp them with our finite minds. That’s why we must simply believe what the Scripture tells us about God without demanding that we fully understand. If we really could understand God He would be too small. Now I want us to see some other characteristics that are easier for us to grasp.

It’s interesting to note that when God revealed His glory to Moses He spoke of attributes that could surprise us.

Read Exodus 34:6-7.

We don’t expect to hear that from a transcendent God, the One who is lifted high above the heavens. Heathens never conceive of their idols’ being this way: loving, compassionate, gracious, slow to anger, forgiving. But that’s our God--a God of unlimited grace. However, He is also a just Judge, who will punish the guilty who do not repent and accept His forgiveness. We must be balanced in our concept of God. What response should we have to a God like this? Psalm 103 tells us what to do. Let’s read it together.

Read Psalm 103.

Study Questions
Read Exodus 20:3; Deuteronomy 6:4; Psalm 102:25-27; 1 Timothy 6:15-16

1. What do these verses tell us about God?

Read John 6:27; 1Peter 1:2; John 20:28; Acts 5:3-4

2. What further light does this give us about God? Are the three persons of the Godhead equally God?

Read Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Matthew 3:16-17

3. What further evidence do we have of the Triunity of God?

Read Ephesians 1:3-6; John 5:37; Hebrews 12:9

4. What specific things has the Father done for us who believe on His Son? What does He still do?

Read John 4:24; 1 John 4:8; 1 John 1:5

5a. What do these basic characteristics of God reveal and imply? Write down implications and applications that you see from these three characteristics alone.

5b. List the attributes of God you see from the following verses: Acts 14:18; 1 Peter 1:15; Psalm 19:9; 1 John 4:8; Romans 3:4; Isaiah 40:13-14; Revelation 19:6; Ps 90:2; James 1:17; Psalm 139; Daniel 4:17, 35

Read Exodus 34:17; Psalm 103

6. What other characteristics are revealed here? What do you see that encourages or comforts you?

7. What is your concept of God? Have these passages changed your mind or attitude? If you truly believed that God is all he claims to be, what impact would that make on your conduct? On your prayer life? On your witnessing? On your reaction to troubles?


...............


Did this finally help a bit more, in understanding the

triune God now?




http://bible.org/seriespage/godhead

When you no longer have to teach me about God...

That is when I'll believe we're under the "New Covenant"...

CeriseRose...just had to share this with others here:


Jesus said:

John 10:17,18

"Therefore doth my Father love me,

because I LAY DOWN MY LIFE ,

that I might TAKE IT AGAIN.



NO MAN Taketh it FROM me,

but I LAY IT DOWN OF MYSELF.

I have POWER TO LAY IT DOWN ,

and I have POWER TO TAKE IT AGAIN.

This commandment have I received of my Father."

You may as well be talking to the air.

Christianity is based on Hebrew egotism. No one shall put any Gods above ours!

Our God is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, blah, blah, blah.

Christianity is nothing more than an egotistical Hebrew rant.

It really has nothing at all to do with anything that Jesus taught. Jesus was just a victim of Hebrew egotism.

Jesus taught the moral and spiritual values of Mahayana Buddhism. The egocentric authors of the New Testament rumors are the people who turned that into the foundation for religious bigotry in Jesus' name.

It's truly a shame. Such a shamble.

Any god who would lust to be such an egotistical dictator would be as feeble, weak, and flawed as a mortal man. The religion is the antithesis of anything spiritual.

I don't claim to know "God", but I do claim to be able to recognize religious bigotry created by humans. That's pretty easy to do actually.