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Topic: Where in the Genesis is Jesus
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Wed 11/23/11 12:18 PM

POSTED BY COWBOY
God did not "create" sin.



POSTE BY COWBOY
Again, yes he created sin in the long run



Cowboy...you have more contradictions in your post than there is in the bible

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Wed 11/23/11 12:28 PM


POSTED BY COWBOY
God did not "create" sin.



POSTE BY COWBOY
Again, yes he created sin in the long run



Cowboy...you have more contradictions in your post than there is in the bible


No, you just like to take things out of context, especially things from the bible. But for in this example, you're taking my words out of context and not including the surrounding words.

If you make up, you have to make down. Where there is one way, there's another. So with God having a will and having given us free will, that causes the possibility of going against God's will and that is sin. Sin in itself is not something created. Sin is disobedience.

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Wed 11/23/11 12:33 PM



POSTED BY COWBOY
God did not "create" sin.



POSTE BY COWBOY
Again, yes he created sin in the long run



Cowboy...you have more contradictions in your post than there is in the bible


No, you just like to take things out of context, especially things from the bible. But for in this example, you're taking my words out of context and not including the surrounding words.

If you make up, you have to make down. Where there is one way, there's another. So with God having a will and having given us free will, that causes the possibility of going against God's will and that is sin. Sin in itself is not something created. Sin is disobedience.


Cowboy ...first you claim that God didn't create sin...then you claim that God created sin in the long run...that is an admission by you that God did create sin

if you wish to claim that God created everything...then you must also include that he created sin.......this isn't rocket science.....it's simple logic


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Wed 11/23/11 12:47 PM




POSTED BY COWBOY
God did not "create" sin.



POSTE BY COWBOY
Again, yes he created sin in the long run



Cowboy...you have more contradictions in your post than there is in the bible


No, you just like to take things out of context, especially things from the bible. But for in this example, you're taking my words out of context and not including the surrounding words.

If you make up, you have to make down. Where there is one way, there's another. So with God having a will and having given us free will, that causes the possibility of going against God's will and that is sin. Sin in itself is not something created. Sin is disobedience.


Cowboy ...first you claim that God didn't create sin...then you claim that God created sin in the long run...that is an admission by you that God did create sin

if you wish to claim that God created everything...then you must also include that he created sin.......this isn't rocket science.....it's simple logic




Don't know if you argue for the sake of it or what, "sin" is not an object, sin is created when one is disobedient to the Lord our God. Sin is nevertheless a synonym of "disobedience". If one commits a sin, they have done something disobedient to God. If one is sinful, they are continually disobedient to God.

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Wed 11/23/11 01:44 PM

Don't know if you argue for the sake of it or what, "sin" is not an object, sin is created when one is disobedient to the Lord our God. Sin is nevertheless a synonym of "disobedience". If one commits a sin, they have done something disobedient to God. If one is sinful, they are continually disobedient to God.


who is the one that deem that disobedience to God is a sin?

your answer will reveal to you the creator of sin

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Wed 11/23/11 01:56 PM

Don't know if you argue for the sake of it or what, "sin" is not an object, sin is created when one is disobedient to the Lord our God. Sin is nevertheless a synonym of "disobedience". If one commits a sin, they have done something disobedient to God. If one is sinful, they are continually disobedient to God.


Cowboy...even your own words work against you...you keep saying when one "commits" sin

that is all man can do is commit sin...he does not create sin ...sin was first created by God when God handed down his laws and commandments


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Wed 11/23/11 02:01 PM


Don't know if you argue for the sake of it or what, "sin" is not an object, sin is created when one is disobedient to the Lord our God. Sin is nevertheless a synonym of "disobedience". If one commits a sin, they have done something disobedient to God. If one is sinful, they are continually disobedient to God.


Cowboy...even your own words work against you...you keep saying when one "commits" sin

that is all man can do is commit sin...he does not create sin ...sin was first created by God when God handed down his laws and commandments




Well yeah, if there was no commandments or laws to follow there would be nothing to be disobedient to. Sin = Disobedience to God.

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Wed 11/23/11 02:03 PM


Don't know if you argue for the sake of it or what, "sin" is not an object, sin is created when one is disobedient to the Lord our God. Sin is nevertheless a synonym of "disobedience". If one commits a sin, they have done something disobedient to God. If one is sinful, they are continually disobedient to God.


who is the one that deem that disobedience to God is a sin?

your answer will reveal to you the creator of sin


Straight from the Merriam Webster dictionary.

Sin - transgression of the law of God

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Wed 11/23/11 02:08 PM

Well yeah, if there was no commandments or laws to follow there would be nothing to be disobedient to. Sin = Disobedience to God.


if there were no laws to follow....there therefore would be no sin ...thanks....you're making my point for me

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Wed 11/23/11 02:11 PM


Well yeah, if there was no commandments or laws to follow there would be nothing to be disobedient to. Sin = Disobedience to God.


if there were no laws to follow....there therefore would be no sin ...thanks....you're making my point for me


So what exactly is your point then?

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Wed 11/23/11 02:32 PM



Well yeah, if there was no commandments or laws to follow there would be nothing to be disobedient to. Sin = Disobedience to God.


if there were no laws to follow....there therefore would be no sin ...thanks....you're making my point for me


So what exactly is your point then?


that the laws of God is the only reason that sin exist...

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Wed 11/23/11 02:37 PM




Well yeah, if there was no commandments or laws to follow there would be nothing to be disobedient to. Sin = Disobedience to God.


if there were no laws to follow....there therefore would be no sin ...thanks....you're making my point for me


So what exactly is your point then?


that the laws of God is the only reason that sin exist...


No he did not. He created the possibility of sin. He created laws and which disobedience to the laws is sin. That's like saying that the government makes criminals, or the laws of the land makes criminals. No, the person them self makes them self a criminal, no one else's fault. God doesn't create the sin, people do with our disobedience.

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Wed 11/23/11 03:23 PM



POSTED BY COWBOY
God did not "create" sin.



POSTE BY COWBOY
Again, yes he created sin in the long run



Cowboy...you have more contradictions in your post than there is in the bible


No, you just like to take things out of context, especially things from the bible. But for in this example, you're taking my words out of context and not including the surrounding words.

If you make up, you have to make down. Where there is one way, there's another. So with God having a will and having given us free will, that causes the possibility of going against God's will and that is sin. Sin in itself is not something created. Sin is disobedience.
But how can something created perfect commit sin,even with Free will?

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Wed 11/23/11 04:28 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Wed 11/23/11 04:28 PM




POSTED BY COWBOY
God did not "create" sin.



POSTE BY COWBOY
Again, yes he created sin in the long run



Cowboy...you have more contradictions in your post than there is in the bible


No, you just like to take things out of context, especially things from the bible. But for in this example, you're taking my words out of context and not including the surrounding words.

If you make up, you have to make down. Where there is one way, there's another. So with God having a will and having given us free will, that causes the possibility of going against God's will and that is sin. Sin in itself is not something created. Sin is disobedience.
But how can something created perfect commit sin,even with Free will?


This is one of the many flaws in religion. For it to be true, it would mean a perfect God would have to have created imperfect people since a perfect being would not create people that wouldn't do what it wanted. That would fly in the face of it being perfect.

So either God is not perfect, or God made us exactly as it intended us to be "sins" and all. It cannot be both.

I lean toward the latter.

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Wed 11/23/11 05:03 PM





POSTED BY COWBOY
God did not "create" sin.



POSTE BY COWBOY
Again, yes he created sin in the long run



Cowboy...you have more contradictions in your post than there is in the bible


No, you just like to take things out of context, especially things from the bible. But for in this example, you're taking my words out of context and not including the surrounding words.

If you make up, you have to make down. Where there is one way, there's another. So with God having a will and having given us free will, that causes the possibility of going against God's will and that is sin. Sin in itself is not something created. Sin is disobedience.
But how can something created perfect commit sin,even with Free will?


This is one of the many flaws in religion. For it to be true, it would mean a perfect God would have to have created imperfect people since a perfect being would not create people that wouldn't do what it wanted. That would fly in the face of it being perfect.

So either God is not perfect, or God made us exactly as it intended us to be "sins" and all. It cannot be both.

I lean toward the latter.


Incorrect, sin is an action. God created us, he does not create our actions.

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Wed 11/23/11 05:06 PM




POSTED BY COWBOY
God did not "create" sin.



POSTE BY COWBOY
Again, yes he created sin in the long run



Cowboy...you have more contradictions in your post than there is in the bible


No, you just like to take things out of context, especially things from the bible. But for in this example, you're taking my words out of context and not including the surrounding words.

If you make up, you have to make down. Where there is one way, there's another. So with God having a will and having given us free will, that causes the possibility of going against God's will and that is sin. Sin in itself is not something created. Sin is disobedience.
But how can something created perfect commit sin,even with Free will?


God created us, our physical structure. He does not and did not create the actions we do or have done. We create those. God does not create our thoughts, our desires, our wants. We create those as well. When we do or say something that is against God's will, it is then a sin. We have the ability to do this through free will. To rid the possibility of sin would have been to take away our free will and or limit it. Which even with limiting it, it's taking away the free will. Cause free will in itself is the ability to do what one wishes when one wishes to do it.

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Wed 11/23/11 05:37 PM

No he did not. He created the possibility of sin.


Cowboy...it's "impossible" for God to create the possiblity of sin without first creating the sin ...

the only way you have a chance to be right is to first admit that God is not the creator of everything

so I guess the most logical question to ask you is

do you believe that God is the creator of everything ....

1...yes?
2...no?
3....whatever?

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Wed 11/23/11 05:56 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Wed 11/23/11 05:59 PM






POSTED BY COWBOY
God did not "create" sin.



POSTE BY COWBOY
Again, yes he created sin in the long run



Cowboy...you have more contradictions in your post than there is in the bible


No, you just like to take things out of context, especially things from the bible. But for in this example, you're taking my words out of context and not including the surrounding words.

If you make up, you have to make down. Where there is one way, there's another. So with God having a will and having given us free will, that causes the possibility of going against God's will and that is sin. Sin in itself is not something created. Sin is disobedience.
But how can something created perfect commit sin,even with Free will?


This is one of the many flaws in religion. For it to be true, it would mean a perfect God would have to have created imperfect people since a perfect being would not create people that wouldn't do what it wanted. That would fly in the face of it being perfect.

So either God is not perfect, or God made us exactly as it intended us to be "sins" and all. It cannot be both.

I lean toward the latter.


Incorrect, sin is an action. God created us, he does not create our actions.


But if he created us with a capacity to do things a certain way, how is it our fault if we only act as we were made? Such a flaw would be on the shoulders of the creator, not the created. If God wanted us a certain way, surely it would create as such but it did not.

You're basically saying a perfect God is somehow incapable of creating a creation that will do what it wants it to do. If it can't do that, that God has failed and is nowhere near perfect.

It's the only logical explanation from a biblical standpoint.God cannot be perfect and yet create imperfectly. No matter how you wanna twist it, it does not work.

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Wed 11/23/11 06:43 PM


No he did not. He created the possibility of sin.


Cowboy...it's "impossible" for God to create the possiblity of sin without first creating the sin ...

the only way you have a chance to be right is to first admit that God is not the creator of everything

so I guess the most logical question to ask you is

do you believe that God is the creator of everything ....

1...yes?
2...no?
3....whatever?


Sin is an action one takes or doesn't take. It's not a created object. Again, if something is sinful, it is being disobedient to God. If one is being disobedient to God, he is being sinful, ect.

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Wed 11/23/11 06:45 PM







POSTED BY COWBOY
God did not "create" sin.



POSTE BY COWBOY
Again, yes he created sin in the long run



Cowboy...you have more contradictions in your post than there is in the bible


No, you just like to take things out of context, especially things from the bible. But for in this example, you're taking my words out of context and not including the surrounding words.

If you make up, you have to make down. Where there is one way, there's another. So with God having a will and having given us free will, that causes the possibility of going against God's will and that is sin. Sin in itself is not something created. Sin is disobedience.
But how can something created perfect commit sin,even with Free will?


This is one of the many flaws in religion. For it to be true, it would mean a perfect God would have to have created imperfect people since a perfect being would not create people that wouldn't do what it wanted. That would fly in the face of it being perfect.

So either God is not perfect, or God made us exactly as it intended us to be "sins" and all. It cannot be both.

I lean toward the latter.


Incorrect, sin is an action. God created us, he does not create our actions.


But if he created us with a capacity to do things a certain way, how is it our fault if we only act as we were made? Such a flaw would be on the shoulders of the creator, not the created. If God wanted us a certain way, surely it would create as such but it did not.

You're basically saying a perfect God is somehow incapable of creating a creation that will do what it wants it to do. If it can't do that, that God has failed and is nowhere near perfect.

It's the only logical explanation from a biblical standpoint.God cannot be perfect and yet create imperfectly. No matter how you wanna twist it, it does not work.


He created us with the capacity to make a choice. We are accountable for the choices we make. Weather that choice is eating to spicy of food one night or killing someone. It is our choice, we are responsible for our own actions. God can NOT be held accountable for something someone did when that person is the one whom did that action.

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