You're comparing oranges and apples, what you said has nothing to do with weather Jesus is God or not. Never said Jesus is his father. Jesus is our God, our creator, our lord. They are one, they work as one, they are one in the same yet separate entities. In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God. Then the word became flesh and dwelt among us eg., Jesus. God = superior. Jesus is our superior. We answer to Jesus, eg., Jesus is our God.



Never said he didn't have the powers of God. AGAIN, he humbled himself and took on the form of a servant.

Because ONLY God can OPEN one's eyes so that one may

truly SEE , I make this my final post on this thread.


There is an ORDER to everything God made...including an Order in

the Godhead.

OTHERWISE THERE WOULD BE CHAOS!!!


God the Father is the HEAD of the 3 in One Godhead....

God the Son comes Second,

And God the Holy Spirit comes third.


But although therE is an order where God the Father is the head,

of the 3 persons in the One Godhead,

The 3 persons in the one Godhead ARE STILLL ALLLLLLLLLLL

EQUALLY GOD !!!!!



ALSO....ALTHOUGH GOD THE FATHER IS THE HEAD , HE GAVE

ALLLLLLLLLLLL GLORY TO HIS SON JESUS NOW, BECAUSE OF WHAT JESUS

DID ON THAT CROSS FOR US!!!




ALLLLL THE GLORY GOES TO JESUS NOW...OR......ALLL GLORY GOES TO

GOD NOW!!!!

EITHER WAY WE SAY IT, IS OK.....SIMPLY BECAUSE

JESUS IS EQUALLY GOD WITH THE FATHER!!!

JESUS IS EQUALLY AS MUCH GOD AS THE FATHER!!!!


AND,BECAUSE JESUS IS AS MUCH GOD AS THE FATHER,THERE ARE

SCRIPTURES THAT SAY AND THUS, VERIFY, THAT IT IS

OK TO WORSHIP JESUS......LOOK THEM UP!!!


BUT , ALTHOUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ALSO EQUALLY GOD ,WE DON'T

WORSHIP THE HOLY SPIRIT, WE WORSHIP JESUS.


WHY?

BECAUSE GOD THE FATHER GAVE ALLLLLLLLL THE GLORY TO HIS SON JESUS,

NOT TO THE HOLY SPIRIT.


AGAIN.... ALL THREE PERSONS IN THE ONE GODHEAD ,MAKE UP ONLY ONE GOD.

WE SERVE ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!

ALL 3 PERSONS IN THE ONE GOD, ARE EQUALLY GOD, CAUSE ALL THREEE

PERSONS MAKE UP ONLY ONE GOD!!!!!!!


Philippians 2:6

6Who, being in the FORM of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL

with God.

Notice...it says EQUAL WITH GOD!!!!!!!!! THAT SCRIPTURE IS TALKING ABOUT

THE SON!!!!



ALSO.....in the posts shared earlier ,MANY MANY SCRIPTURES make

this SOOOOOOO CLEAR,

But it is obvious that you did NOT bother to read them Cowboy.

If you HAD READ them, you woud have SEEN the TRUTH OF GOD'S

WORD CLEARLY.....cause GOD MAKES HIS WORD CLEAR TO US WHEN WE

ARE BORN AGAIN!!!!

I can do no more.

Take Care now.



PS.....Cowboy, it APPEARS that you are SAYING the same thing as

scriptures...but you do NOT MEAN the same thing as scriptures say.

For instance, you say that the father and the son are two

separate BEINGS...and YOU mean it to be 2 separate beings

entirely...and not just 2 separate persons within the one

Godhead, as scripture says.

But you beleive that they are 2 seaparate BEINGS entirely...but only ONE in MIND or thinking!!

And that is NOT w.hat criptures say

Point being, you mean something entirely DIFFERENT from

what christians beleive !!!

Meaning....that you do NOT believe that the fahter and son are

just 2 seaparate persons WITHIN THE ONE GODHEAD.....but that

yuo beleive they are 2 seaparate BEINGS ENTIRELY, but just One in thoughts and mind!!!!!!



meaning.....you present a false gospel on her...that fools one

into thinking that yyuo ARE a christian, when you are NOT!!!!!!


Cause you believe that the father and the son are 2 separate beings entirely....entirely seaparate!!!

And once more,that is NOT what scriptures say. at all !!!!

That is why you say Jesus is OUR god, but the father is

GOD....casus to you, they are 2 seaparatee beings entirely..but

only one in mind or thought...or authority..but NOT ONE GOD!!


And that is called deception!!!/color]

Cowboy...if The Father is the creator, and you claim that Jesus is The creator and you also claim that Jesus has a Father

then exactly how many Fathers are you claiming that Heaven have

MorningSong:...Cowboy provided a passage where Jesus himself states that the Father is greater than him

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.



MorningSong you also appear to go out of your way to avoid answering a simple question, if Jesus is Equal and knowledgeable as God then why didn't Jesus know the time of Judgement Day

and can you answer the question without making Jesus appear to be lesser than God

I want to start my comment out with Judge not less ye be judged. Who gives you the right to say this?

Secondly, Jesus is our God. He is not God the father in terms of whom Jesus speaks to when he prays. Unless you are saying Jesus said vein words, almost lying. Cause it would be lying if Jesus and his father are one being when he prays to his father. Cause he wouldn't really be praying to his father, for their would be no father.



Within one Godhead? God means person or thing of supreme value, A powerful ruler. That is why Jesus is our God. He is the one superior to us, he is our Lord, our ruler, he is the one in control of us. And again, if Jesus and his father are not separate beings, then who said "This is my son in whom I'm well pleased"? This was said while Jesus was on the cross, so it could not have been him. Thus we have Jesus and the father being two separate persons.

But yes they are within one Godhead, if you wish to say it that way. They are both superior to us, both in charge of us. Just I try not to use terms that are not included in the scriptures.

I was not going to reply anymore...but am gravely

concerned here:

Cowboy..... you say that you believe Jesus is

your God ,

and then at the same time,

you ALSO say you believe the Father is GOD ......


but you DON'T believe they BOTH make up ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY.


(as Christians believe because the bible clearly says so).



Meaning..you are believing in 2 separate Gods

entirely then............who , according to you ,ARE ONE......


BUT.... ONLY ONE

in thought and action and goals ONLY, but NOT in NATURE.


Which means, You believe Jesus and The Father to be 2 different

Gods entirely .......OR ,2 different beings entirely .....



BUT.....

You DON'T Believe they both make up ONE GOD ALMIGHTY at all.


Which means you are either serving 2 Gods, are just serving

ONE GOD and beleiving the other to be a lesser god.....

but either way you cut it...here's the thing:


God said,


"ONLY ONE GOD SHALT THOU SERVE, AND ONE GOD ONLY".


God also said,

"THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME."




HEAVENLY FATHER, IN JESUS NAME, I'M ASKING AND BELIEVING, LORD GOD,

THAT YOU WILL MAKE YOUR PRECIOUS WORD CRYSTAL CLEAR TO

COWBOY, AND TO US ALL........IN JESUS MIGHTY NAME I PRAY, AMEN.

MorningSong....both you and Cowboy are just playing games and just making up stuff as you go along, you two refuse to answer two questions that will prove that you two are on the wrong path pertaining to the christian belief

Cowboy.. you keep insisting that Jesus is the Father Creator....but when I ask you "how many Fathers art in Heaven",you avoid the question because you know there is only one Father in Heaven and it's not Jesus which is why you know that your belief that Jesus is the Father and the creator is false


MorningSong you insist that Jesus is Equal to God but when I ask the question "if Jesus is equal to God then why isn't Jesus as knowledgeable as God and know the time of judgement day", you avoid this question because you know that it's impossible to answer this question without making Jesus appear lesser than God and therefore not Equal to God

both of you guys are preaching a false gospel ...Repent

Because I already explained before on here is why, Funches.

Because NUMEROUS scriptures have already been shared on here,

testifying to the fact that Jesus IS EQUALLY as much God

as the Father is.


Because one can't just take scripture out of context like

that, and expect it to make sense, especially to a

nonbeliever.


Because there is order in the Godhead, doesn't mean any of the

3 persons within the One Godhead(making up ONE GOD ALMIGHTY) ,

are any less EQUALLY God.


Because until you truly seek God for real, and your eyes are

opened , nothing I nor anyone else says, will make sense,

Funches.


Becasue after today, I don't know when I will be back online, and

was hoping some of the Word shared on here,"took".


I like you , Funches.... you are sharp and quite a rascal


But Don't you think it's about time you got serious about God too now,

and went to God in prayer for answers, and not man?

You assume to much. Jesus and the father are the same, no one's greater, no one's lesser. To get to the father we go through Jesus Christ, for he is the way to the father. That's not putting Jesus in front of the father, nor is it making him more powerful or anything of such. I serve the father through Jesus Christ.

John 14:6

6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

There is one father, God the father. Jesus does the will of his father.

You have changed your story here again, Cowboy.


And frankly ,it creates great confusion for all who read you.


One final attempt for clarification:


Do you NOW Believe Jesus is EQUALLY God with

the Father?

Yes?


No.....


Do you NOW believe there is ONLY ONE GOD, and the Father, Jesus,

and the Holy Spirit ,

are the 3 persons WITHIN that ONE GODHEAD , making up ONLY ONE

GOD?


Answer yes or no,please.


Cause once more, your words SOUND like a christian...but still

leave one

confused....especially when you switched your words again.


So...Yes...or no...

MorningSong...wow that was a cheap shot...I didn't know you had it in you ...but anyway it was not a non-believer such as I,that presented that scripture...it was "Cowboy the believer" that presented the passage below



in the above passage Jesus himself clearly states that God is greater than him and therefore not Equal...but yet you choose to go against the teachings of Jesus and believe others

well God will have to wait because right now I'm getting serious about worshipping the Great Leprechuan Nymph Entity because if I pray to it I will be rewarded by little elves leaving a pot of Gold under a rainbow ...then I'm going to use the gold to learn how to River Dance while singing "how Irish eyes are smiling" in C flat

so is Jesus The Father Creator? ..

Funches, just becasue one is greater, or the head,

does NOT take

away from the fact that they are EQUAL.

In the Godhead, we have God the Father FIRST, Jesus the Son, Second,

and God the Holy Spirit ,third.



Notice the ORDER...however......

despite the order in the Godhead, ALL

three persons WITHIN the Godhead,which make up ONLY ONE GOD,

are still ALL EQUALLY GOD.


AGAIN , MANY scriptures were shared to confirm this.

Not going there again now.




Have to run Funches...work to do here.

so all three Gods are equal ....but you're supposed to worship the father and Jesus but you're not supposed to worship the holy spirit .....wow that doesn't seem fair or equal...and a little cold blooded

you claim that all God are equal but yet God gave all his glory to his son and none to the holy spirit.....sure doesn't some equal

but if the holy spirit is God and all are equal....then why don't the holy spirit have his own glory

but isn't the holy spirit the actual Father of Jesus so why is the father claiming that he is Jesus's father

but the fact that you are not suppose to worship the holy spirit is why the trinity doesn't work ...because it tells you to not worship God

it you are not suppose to worship the holy spirit only proves that Christians never believed it to be God anyway

Christians worshiping only parts of God and not all of God goes against basic Christian belief

Funches.... we are STILL worshiping ONLY ONE GOD...


How can we help but not worship the father,the son the holy

Spirit...since it is still

ONE GOD we worship!!


Evwen though God gave the Son ALLLL glory, we still worship One God.



The GLORY the Father gave to Jesus, means Jesus name is above all

names now...God the Father made

Jesus high above all...YET.....still ....position does not

change the fact that all 3 within the Godhead are still

EQUALLY GOD....and THE FACT That we still....

worship only One God.



I am outta here now....

I'm not switching anything. Jesus is God, his father is God. Yet, not the same God. They are not the same entity as you claim to say, or at least it seems that way. Jesus and his father are one, they have the same will, they work as one, they are one. A family, can make up from 2 to any possible amount of people. It is one family just as Jesus and his father is one God. I never claimed that Jesus wasn't equally God as the father. Just that his father was greater then he.

MorningSong...you were the one that stated that you are not supposed to worship the Holy Spirit


POSTED BY MORNINGSONG:

BUT , ALTHOUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ALSO EQUALLY GOD ,WE DON'T

WORSHIP THE HOLY SPIRIT, WE WORSHIP JESUS.


WHY?

BECAUSE GOD THE FATHER GAVE ALLLLLLLLL THE GLORY TO HIS SON JESUS,

NOT TO THE HOLY SPIRIT.


see how you contradict your views with each of your post...you must be taking lessons from "Cowboy"

then you claim that God made the name of Jesus high above the others...how can God make Jesus higher than the holy spirit if all are equal and the holy spirit is a God and all are one....even that is a contradiction

see how you are trying to get rid of the father and the holy spirit and placing Jesus above them, even Cowboy have done this by claiming that Jesus was God The Father and The Creator

on Earth Jesus didn't have any Godly powers, he was a man that at most was the son but you and Cowboy are trying to claim is God

this is no longer Christianity....it's Buddhism

Yes, we do worship only one God. We worship God the father through Jesus Christ.