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marriage is not a 'right', it is a status , like 'adult' we dont have the 'right' to be adults, we are either defined as such by law or we arent,, No? Didn't the Supreme Court declare marriage is a fundamental right in Loving v. Virginia? yes, in the context of continuing our EXISTENCE ( male female bonding) the decision began.. 'Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival....' certainly not applicable to homosexual bonding,,, Nope - a fundamental right IS a human right as in individual human right. Attempting to make it conditional changes it's fundamentality and turns into a discriminatory act of utility. A basic or foundational right, derived from natural law; a right deemed by the Supreme Court to receive the highest level of Constitutional protection against government interference. ,,,determined by the COURTS, meaning determined by interpretation of the very vague wording of the constitution no such wording EXPLICITLY includes marriage or voting so the courts have given findings bases upon how they interpret it so, the court CAN define a fundamental right and does define fundamental rights, BUT, not all courts have determined 'marriage' to be one nor do they have to for marriage to be a right, similar to voting, it would need to be 'free', in my opinion you cant tell me it is my fundamental right 'IF' I get a license, because (As you objected to) that puts a condition on it its either fundamental or its not, if its conditional , (by your own logic) how can it be fundamental,,,it doesnt follow logically voting costs me nothing but effort and noone can stop me from doing it,, when I marry, I require a license, so they can REQUIRE certain things to obtain it,,,kind of killing the notion of a fundamental right because why would a fundamental right require a license? FOOD is a fundamental right - where do you get yours? I can buy it, or I can go to a church or food bank and get it free. |
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Ya know, I read this thread and others of similar subject. As much as I really, really try to put myself in others shoes before making any kind of judgment... for the life of me I can not wrap my mind around WHY any of you give a flying **** who, what, where another chooses to marry. There is NO threat to your decision to not be gay, there is NO threat to your marriage..or potential marriage. There is no threat to YOU at all...why do you care? Seems to just keep coming back as..it's just not right, the definition of marriage has to be protected... get off your judgmental high horses. A same sex marriage has NOTHING to do with you or your beliefs... get over yourselves and let people live as they wish. so why are you worried about it? does anything i think or do affect you in any way, shape or form? you should get off your high horse and quit thinking that i should have to think like you and explain myself when i dont I care about the issue because I know gay people...many of them. Including a sister who is gay. They have the right to be happy...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL..not just hetro's. My high horse? The horse I ride that believes that ALL people have a right to live as they choose as long as it's not hurting you...is that the horse your referring to? Is not such a bad horse to ride..equality for all, including YOU! You couldn't think like me even if you tried really hard.... I don't equate marriage to happiness. Quite the opposite in fact. This can all be solved by taking marriage out of governmental policy. If you wanted to get married so be it, but there should be no formal recognition or benefits afforded a marriage by the government. This is a case where its better that no one benefits from being stupid. its better that the government not advocate for mothers and fathers , and potential mothers and fathers, to make the commitment to each other and their kids? I disagree. But I do feel its coming to one of two extremes. Either marriage gets tossed altogether as anything but a personal choice. Or marriage gets opened up to allow it to be a choice of ANY TWO consenting adults, or possibly even more than two. |
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marriage is not a 'right', it is a status , like 'adult' we dont have the 'right' to be adults, we are either defined as such by law or we arent,, No? Didn't the Supreme Court declare marriage is a fundamental right in Loving v. Virginia? yes, in the context of continuing our EXISTENCE ( male female bonding) the decision began.. 'Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival....' certainly not applicable to homosexual bonding,,, Nope - a fundamental right IS a human right as in individual human right. Attempting to make it conditional changes it's fundamentality and turns into a discriminatory act of utility. A basic or foundational right, derived from natural law; a right deemed by the Supreme Court to receive the highest level of Constitutional protection against government interference. ,,,determined by the COURTS, meaning determined by interpretation of the very vague wording of the constitution no such wording EXPLICITLY includes marriage or voting so the courts have given findings bases upon how they interpret it so, the court CAN define a fundamental right and does define fundamental rights, BUT, not all courts have determined 'marriage' to be one nor do they have to for marriage to be a right, similar to voting, it would need to be 'free', in my opinion you cant tell me it is my fundamental right 'IF' I get a license, because (As you objected to) that puts a condition on it its either fundamental or its not, if its conditional , (by your own logic) how can it be fundamental,,,it doesnt follow logically voting costs me nothing but effort and noone can stop me from doing it,, when I marry, I require a license, so they can REQUIRE certain things to obtain it,,,kind of killing the notion of a fundamental right because why would a fundamental right require a license? FOOD is a fundamental right - where do you get yours? how is food a fundamental right? You need it to live......are you really asking this? so you don't have to work for it, you get yours for free? if you have no food, the government will provide it for you? i guess air and water is a fundamental right too, then... what about land? don't we have to have land to to stay alive? is that a fundamental right too? your confusing rights with necessities, there is a big difference... i don't remember where it says in the constitution about any of those being a "right"... 
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Ya know, I read this thread and others of similar subject. As much as I really, really try to put myself in others shoes before making any kind of judgment... for the life of me I can not wrap my mind around WHY any of you give a flying **** who, what, where another chooses to marry. There is NO threat to your decision to not be gay, there is NO threat to your marriage..or potential marriage. There is no threat to YOU at all...why do you care? Seems to just keep coming back as..it's just not right, the definition of marriage has to be protected... get off your judgmental high horses. A same sex marriage has NOTHING to do with you or your beliefs... get over yourselves and let people live as they wish. so why are you worried about it? does anything i think or do affect you in any way, shape or form? you should get off your high horse and quit thinking that i should have to think like you and explain myself when i dont I care about the issue because I know gay people...many of them. Including a sister who is gay. They have the right to be happy...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL..not just hetro's. My high horse? The horse I ride that believes that ALL people have a right to live as they choose as long as it's not hurting you...is that the horse your referring to? It's really sad to me that religious dogma comes first to the happiness of human beings, it truly is. as someone else put it, happiness and marriage are two different issues we should all have the right to be happy and do whatever we want with whomever we want in our personal life we shouldnt have the government giving support to everything we want to do with whomever we want in our personal life though there is a difference, IF we were saying to outlaw homosexual lifestyles, I could understand the argument that everyone deserves to be happy but protesting homosexual marriage has nothing to do with stopping people from being able to live 'happy' |
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Ya know, I read this thread and others of similar subject. As much as I really, really try to put myself in others shoes before making any kind of judgment... for the life of me I can not wrap my mind around WHY any of you give a flying **** who, what, where another chooses to marry. There is NO threat to your decision to not be gay, there is NO threat to your marriage..or potential marriage. There is no threat to YOU at all...why do you care? Seems to just keep coming back as..it's just not right, the definition of marriage has to be protected... get off your judgmental high horses. A same sex marriage has NOTHING to do with you or your beliefs... get over yourselves and let people live as they wish. so why are you worried about it? does anything i think or do affect you in any way, shape or form? you should get off your high horse and quit thinking that i should have to think like you and explain myself when i dont I care about the issue because I know gay people...many of them. Including a sister who is gay. They have the right to be happy...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL..not just hetro's. My high horse? The horse I ride that believes that ALL people have a right to live as they choose as long as it's not hurting you...is that the horse your referring to? It's really sad to me that religious dogma comes first to the happiness of human beings, it truly is. as someone else put it, happiness and marriage are two different issues we should all have the right to be happy and do whatever we want with whomever we want in our personal life we shouldnt have the government giving support to everything we want to do with whomever we want in our personal life though there is a difference, IF we were saying to outlaw homosexual lifestyles, I could understand the argument that everyone deserves to be happy but protesting homosexual marriage has nothing to do with stopping people from being able to live 'happy' It takes away something from them though that others can do, and denies them the benefits others get when marrying legally. So in that sense in particular, it very much does impact their ability to live happily if they are denied benefits others get. |
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marriage is not a 'right', it is a status , like 'adult' we dont have the 'right' to be adults, we are either defined as such by law or we arent,, No? Didn't the Supreme Court declare marriage is a fundamental right in Loving v. Virginia? yes, in the context of continuing our EXISTENCE ( male female bonding) the decision began.. 'Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival....' certainly not applicable to homosexual bonding,,, Nope - a fundamental right IS a human right as in individual human right. Attempting to make it conditional changes it's fundamentality and turns into a discriminatory act of utility. A basic or foundational right, derived from natural law; a right deemed by the Supreme Court to receive the highest level of Constitutional protection against government interference. ,,,determined by the COURTS, meaning determined by interpretation of the very vague wording of the constitution no such wording EXPLICITLY includes marriage or voting so the courts have given findings bases upon how they interpret it so, the court CAN define a fundamental right and does define fundamental rights, BUT, not all courts have determined 'marriage' to be one nor do they have to for marriage to be a right, similar to voting, it would need to be 'free', in my opinion you cant tell me it is my fundamental right 'IF' I get a license, because (As you objected to) that puts a condition on it its either fundamental or its not, if its conditional , (by your own logic) how can it be fundamental,,,it doesnt follow logically voting costs me nothing but effort and noone can stop me from doing it,, when I marry, I require a license, so they can REQUIRE certain things to obtain it,,,kind of killing the notion of a fundamental right because why would a fundamental right require a license? FOOD is a fundamental right - where do you get yours? how is food a fundamental right? You need it to live......are you really asking this? so you don't have to work for it, you get yours for free? if you have no food, the government will provide it for you? i guess air and water is a fundamental right too, then... what about land? don't we have to have land to to stay alive? is that a fundamental right too? your confusing rights with necessities, there is a big difference... i don't remember where it says in the constitution about any of those being a "right"...
Is there that much of a difference, we all have to eat. |
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Ya know, I read this thread and others of similar subject. As much as I really, really try to put myself in others shoes before making any kind of judgment... for the life of me I can not wrap my mind around WHY any of you give a flying **** who, what, where another chooses to marry. There is NO threat to your decision to not be gay, there is NO threat to your marriage..or potential marriage. There is no threat to YOU at all...why do you care? Seems to just keep coming back as..it's just not right, the definition of marriage has to be protected... get off your judgmental high horses. A same sex marriage has NOTHING to do with you or your beliefs... get over yourselves and let people live as they wish. so why are you worried about it? does anything i think or do affect you in any way, shape or form? you should get off your high horse and quit thinking that i should have to think like you and explain myself when i dont I care about the issue because I know gay people...many of them. Including a sister who is gay. They have the right to be happy...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL..not just hetro's. My high horse? The horse I ride that believes that ALL people have a right to live as they choose as long as it's not hurting you...is that the horse your referring to? It's really sad to me that religious dogma comes first to the happiness of human beings, it truly is. as someone else put it, happiness and marriage are two different issues we should all have the right to be happy and do whatever we want with whomever we want in our personal life we shouldnt have the government giving support to everything we want to do with whomever we want in our personal life though there is a difference, IF we were saying to outlaw homosexual lifestyles, I could understand the argument that everyone deserves to be happy but protesting homosexual marriage has nothing to do with stopping people from being able to live 'happy' It takes away something from them though that others can do, and denies them the benefits others get when marrying legally. So in that sense in particular, it very much does impact their ability to live happily if they are denied benefits others get. guess what? benefits are just that 'benefits' . not 'entitlements' I dont get the same benefits that come to others with having a masters degree I dont get the same benefits that come to those in a different income bracket I dont get the same benefits as a business owner these types of benefits are not 'rights' and have little to do though with my ability to live 'happy' My kids dont have the same 'benefits' as me there ia a perception of a difference of RESPONSIBILITY that leads to a difference in PRIVILEGE ,, thats life. |
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Ya know, I read this thread and others of similar subject. As much as I really, really try to put myself in others shoes before making any kind of judgment... for the life of me I can not wrap my mind around WHY any of you give a flying **** who, what, where another chooses to marry. There is NO threat to your decision to not be gay, there is NO threat to your marriage..or potential marriage. There is no threat to YOU at all...why do you care? Seems to just keep coming back as..it's just not right, the definition of marriage has to be protected... get off your judgmental high horses. A same sex marriage has NOTHING to do with you or your beliefs... get over yourselves and let people live as they wish. so why are you worried about it? does anything i think or do affect you in any way, shape or form? you should get off your high horse and quit thinking that i should have to think like you and explain myself when i dont I care about the issue because I know gay people...many of them. Including a sister who is gay. They have the right to be happy...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL..not just hetro's. My high horse? The horse I ride that believes that ALL people have a right to live as they choose as long as it's not hurting you...is that the horse your referring to? It's really sad to me that religious dogma comes first to the happiness of human beings, it truly is. as someone else put it, happiness and marriage are two different issues we should all have the right to be happy and do whatever we want with whomever we want in our personal life we shouldnt have the government giving support to everything we want to do with whomever we want in our personal life though there is a difference, IF we were saying to outlaw homosexual lifestyles, I could understand the argument that everyone deserves to be happy but protesting homosexual marriage has nothing to do with stopping people from being able to live 'happy' It takes away something from them though that others can do, and denies them the benefits others get when marrying legally. So in that sense in particular, it very much does impact their ability to live happily if they are denied benefits others get. guess what? benefits are just that 'benefits' . not 'entitlements' I dont get the same benefits that come to others with having a masters degree I dont get the same benefits that come to those in a different income bracket I dont get the same benefits as a business owner these types of benefits are not 'rights' and have little to do though with my ability to live 'happy' My kids dont have the same 'benefits' as me This is true, but how is not discrimination to say one couple can marry and get benefits but the other can't? |
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Ya know, I read this thread and others of similar subject. As much as I really, really try to put myself in others shoes before making any kind of judgment... for the life of me I can not wrap my mind around WHY any of you give a flying **** who, what, where another chooses to marry. There is NO threat to your decision to not be gay, there is NO threat to your marriage..or potential marriage. There is no threat to YOU at all...why do you care? Seems to just keep coming back as..it's just not right, the definition of marriage has to be protected... get off your judgmental high horses. A same sex marriage has NOTHING to do with you or your beliefs... get over yourselves and let people live as they wish. so why are you worried about it? does anything i think or do affect you in any way, shape or form? you should get off your high horse and quit thinking that i should have to think like you and explain myself when i dont I care about the issue because I know gay people...many of them. Including a sister who is gay. They have the right to be happy...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL..not just hetro's. My high horse? The horse I ride that believes that ALL people have a right to live as they choose as long as it's not hurting you...is that the horse your referring to? It's really sad to me that religious dogma comes first to the happiness of human beings, it truly is. as someone else put it, happiness and marriage are two different issues we should all have the right to be happy and do whatever we want with whomever we want in our personal life we shouldnt have the government giving support to everything we want to do with whomever we want in our personal life though there is a difference, IF we were saying to outlaw homosexual lifestyles, I could understand the argument that everyone deserves to be happy but protesting homosexual marriage has nothing to do with stopping people from being able to live 'happy' It takes away something from them though that others can do, and denies them the benefits others get when marrying legally. So in that sense in particular, it very much does impact their ability to live happily if they are denied benefits others get. guess what? benefits are just that 'benefits' . not 'entitlements' I dont get the same benefits that come to others with having a masters degree I dont get the same benefits that come to those in a different income bracket I dont get the same benefits as a business owner these types of benefits are not 'rights' and have little to do though with my ability to live 'happy' My kids dont have the same 'benefits' as me This is true, but how is not discrimination to say one couple can marry and get benefits but the other can't? the same way it is not discrimination to say one person qualifies for assistance and another doesnt there is a determination about the purpose it serves and how it will best be served,,, |
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Ya know, I read this thread and others of similar subject. As much as I really, really try to put myself in others shoes before making any kind of judgment... for the life of me I can not wrap my mind around WHY any of you give a flying **** who, what, where another chooses to marry. There is NO threat to your decision to not be gay, there is NO threat to your marriage..or potential marriage. There is no threat to YOU at all...why do you care? Seems to just keep coming back as..it's just not right, the definition of marriage has to be protected... get off your judgmental high horses. A same sex marriage has NOTHING to do with you or your beliefs... get over yourselves and let people live as they wish. so why are you worried about it? does anything i think or do affect you in any way, shape or form? you should get off your high horse and quit thinking that i should have to think like you and explain myself when i dont I care about the issue because I know gay people...many of them. Including a sister who is gay. They have the right to be happy...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL..not just hetro's. My high horse? The horse I ride that believes that ALL people have a right to live as they choose as long as it's not hurting you...is that the horse your referring to? It's really sad to me that religious dogma comes first to the happiness of human beings, it truly is. as someone else put it, happiness and marriage are two different issues we should all have the right to be happy and do whatever we want with whomever we want in our personal life we shouldnt have the government giving support to everything we want to do with whomever we want in our personal life though there is a difference, IF we were saying to outlaw homosexual lifestyles, I could understand the argument that everyone deserves to be happy but protesting homosexual marriage has nothing to do with stopping people from being able to live 'happy' It takes away something from them though that others can do, and denies them the benefits others get when marrying legally. So in that sense in particular, it very much does impact their ability to live happily if they are denied benefits others get. guess what? benefits are just that 'benefits' . not 'entitlements' I dont get the same benefits that come to others with having a masters degree I dont get the same benefits that come to those in a different income bracket I dont get the same benefits as a business owner these types of benefits are not 'rights' and have little to do though with my ability to live 'happy' My kids dont have the same 'benefits' as me This is true, but how is not discrimination to say one couple can marry and get benefits but the other can't? the same way it is not discrimination to say one person qualifies for assistance and another doesnt there is a determination about the purpose it serves and how it will best be served,,, That depends on circumstance though, the assistance thing. This is not the same. |
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You were talking about them here, weren't you? If you don't want someone to ask about them, why talk about any of it here? there are two reasons why people ask.. to change their mind, or to change my mind... which one was it? I can only speak for myself. I ask people questions to get a better understanding of their beliefs. Not necessarily to change my mind or their mind. So no, it's not quite so black and white as you'd like it to be. to get a better understanding of why i'm against it?...lol, i have to call BS on that one... 
Why not? I don't understand why anyone would be against it, so of course I would ask questions. Like I said, I can only speak for myself. I can't tell you why someone else would ask you questions. i don't understand why you would be for it, and i could really care less why you are, but it is your life and your allowed to think what you want without having to explain it... Why am I ok with it? It doesn't affect my life if two people of the same sex are allowed to be married. It's not my place to tell them not to do so. If two people love each other, same sex or opposite sex, and want to get married why would I tell them they couldn't? They're not forcing me to marry them, or even associate with them if I don't want to. It's their life and they should be able to get married without having to answer to you. |
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Ya know, I read this thread and others of similar subject. As much as I really, really try to put myself in others shoes before making any kind of judgment... for the life of me I can not wrap my mind around WHY any of you give a flying **** who, what, where another chooses to marry. There is NO threat to your decision to not be gay, there is NO threat to your marriage..or potential marriage. There is no threat to YOU at all...why do you care? Seems to just keep coming back as..it's just not right, the definition of marriage has to be protected... get off your judgmental high horses. A same sex marriage has NOTHING to do with you or your beliefs... get over yourselves and let people live as they wish. so why are you worried about it? does anything i think or do affect you in any way, shape or form? you should get off your high horse and quit thinking that i should have to think like you and explain myself when i dont I care about the issue because I know gay people...many of them. Including a sister who is gay. They have the right to be happy...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL..not just hetro's. My high horse? The horse I ride that believes that ALL people have a right to live as they choose as long as it's not hurting you...is that the horse your referring to? It's really sad to me that religious dogma comes first to the happiness of human beings, it truly is. as someone else put it, happiness and marriage are two different issues we should all have the right to be happy and do whatever we want with whomever we want in our personal life we shouldnt have the government giving support to everything we want to do with whomever we want in our personal life though there is a difference, IF we were saying to outlaw homosexual lifestyles, I could understand the argument that everyone deserves to be happy but protesting homosexual marriage has nothing to do with stopping people from being able to live 'happy' It takes away something from them though that others can do, and denies them the benefits others get when marrying legally. So in that sense in particular, it very much does impact their ability to live happily if they are denied benefits others get. guess what? benefits are just that 'benefits' . not 'entitlements' I dont get the same benefits that come to others with having a masters degree I dont get the same benefits that come to those in a different income bracket I dont get the same benefits as a business owner these types of benefits are not 'rights' and have little to do though with my ability to live 'happy' My kids dont have the same 'benefits' as me This is true, but how is not discrimination to say one couple can marry and get benefits but the other can't? the same way it is not discrimination to say one person qualifies for assistance and another doesnt there is a determination about the purpose it serves and how it will best be served,,, terrible analogy Ms. Harmony food stamps..etc. are given out based on income, not sexual preference. you are REALLY grasping now... |
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i don't understand why you would be for it, and i could really care less why you are, but it is your life and your allowed to think what you want without having to explain it... Why am I ok with it? It doesn't affect my life if two people of the same sex are allowed to be married. It's not my place to tell them not to do so. If two people love each other, same sex or opposite sex, and want to get married why would I tell them they couldn't? They're not forcing me to marry them, or even associate with them if I don't want to. It's their life and they should be able to get married without having to answer to you. Amen, who are we to tell someone they can't do something just case we don't like it? |
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You were talking about them here, weren't you? If you don't want someone to ask about them, why talk about any of it here? there are two reasons why people ask.. to change their mind, or to change my mind... which one was it? I can only speak for myself. I ask people questions to get a better understanding of their beliefs. Not necessarily to change my mind or their mind. So no, it's not quite so black and white as you'd like it to be. to get a better understanding of why i'm against it?...lol, i have to call BS on that one...
Why not? I don't understand why anyone would be against it, so of course I would ask questions. Like I said, I can only speak for myself. I can't tell you why someone else would ask you questions. i don't understand why you would be for it, and i could really care less why you are, but it is your life and your allowed to think what you want without having to explain it... Why am I ok with it? It doesn't affect my life if two people of the same sex are allowed to be married. It's not my place to tell them not to do so. If two people love each other, same sex or opposite sex, and want to get married why would I tell them they couldn't? They're not forcing me to marry them, or even associate with them if I don't want to. It's their life and they should be able to get married without having to answer to you. i never asked you or them to answer to me for it... where did you get that at? as a matter of fact, if you look above to the post you responded to, i said i could really care less...you should learn how to understand what you read, rather than making things up... |
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Ya know, I read this thread and others of similar subject. As much as I really, really try to put myself in others shoes before making any kind of judgment... for the life of me I can not wrap my mind around WHY any of you give a flying **** who, what, where another chooses to marry. There is NO threat to your decision to not be gay, there is NO threat to your marriage..or potential marriage. There is no threat to YOU at all...why do you care? Seems to just keep coming back as..it's just not right, the definition of marriage has to be protected... get off your judgmental high horses. A same sex marriage has NOTHING to do with you or your beliefs... get over yourselves and let people live as they wish. so why are you worried about it? does anything i think or do affect you in any way, shape or form? you should get off your high horse and quit thinking that i should have to think like you and explain myself when i dont I care about the issue because I know gay people...many of them. Including a sister who is gay. They have the right to be happy...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL..not just hetro's. My high horse? The horse I ride that believes that ALL people have a right to live as they choose as long as it's not hurting you...is that the horse your referring to? It's really sad to me that religious dogma comes first to the happiness of human beings, it truly is. as someone else put it, happiness and marriage are two different issues we should all have the right to be happy and do whatever we want with whomever we want in our personal life we shouldnt have the government giving support to everything we want to do with whomever we want in our personal life though there is a difference, IF we were saying to outlaw homosexual lifestyles, I could understand the argument that everyone deserves to be happy but protesting homosexual marriage has nothing to do with stopping people from being able to live 'happy' It takes away something from them though that others can do, and denies them the benefits others get when marrying legally. So in that sense in particular, it very much does impact their ability to live happily if they are denied benefits others get. guess what? benefits are just that 'benefits' . not 'entitlements' I dont get the same benefits that come to others with having a masters degree I dont get the same benefits that come to those in a different income bracket I dont get the same benefits as a business owner these types of benefits are not 'rights' and have little to do though with my ability to live 'happy' My kids dont have the same 'benefits' as me there ia a perception of a difference of RESPONSIBILITY that leads to a difference in PRIVILEGE ,, thats life. it's the same thing over and over, gays want more than everyone else and use the discrimination issue to try to get it... they have every right you or me have, but that is not enough for them, they want more and better rights, to make them feel better about themselves...they say it's about happiness, but i guess the only way they are happy is if they get better benefits... |
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Ya know, I read this thread and others of similar subject. As much as I really, really try to put myself in others shoes before making any kind of judgment... for the life of me I can not wrap my mind around WHY any of you give a flying **** who, what, where another chooses to marry. There is NO threat to your decision to not be gay, there is NO threat to your marriage..or potential marriage. There is no threat to YOU at all...why do you care? Seems to just keep coming back as..it's just not right, the definition of marriage has to be protected... get off your judgmental high horses. A same sex marriage has NOTHING to do with you or your beliefs... get over yourselves and let people live as they wish. so why are you worried about it? does anything i think or do affect you in any way, shape or form? you should get off your high horse and quit thinking that i should have to think like you and explain myself when i dont I care about the issue because I know gay people...many of them. Including a sister who is gay. They have the right to be happy...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL..not just hetro's. My high horse? The horse I ride that believes that ALL people have a right to live as they choose as long as it's not hurting you...is that the horse your referring to? It's really sad to me that religious dogma comes first to the happiness of human beings, it truly is. as someone else put it, happiness and marriage are two different issues we should all have the right to be happy and do whatever we want with whomever we want in our personal life we shouldnt have the government giving support to everything we want to do with whomever we want in our personal life though there is a difference, IF we were saying to outlaw homosexual lifestyles, I could understand the argument that everyone deserves to be happy but protesting homosexual marriage has nothing to do with stopping people from being able to live 'happy' It takes away something from them though that others can do, and denies them the benefits others get when marrying legally. So in that sense in particular, it very much does impact their ability to live happily if they are denied benefits others get. guess what? benefits are just that 'benefits' . not 'entitlements' I dont get the same benefits that come to others with having a masters degree I dont get the same benefits that come to those in a different income bracket I dont get the same benefits as a business owner these types of benefits are not 'rights' and have little to do though with my ability to live 'happy' My kids dont have the same 'benefits' as me there ia a perception of a difference of RESPONSIBILITY that leads to a difference in PRIVILEGE ,, thats life. it's the same thing over and over, gays want more than everyone else and use the discrimination issue to try to get it... they have every right you or me have, but that is not enough for them, they want more and better rights, to make them feel better about themselves...they say it's about happiness, but i guess the only way they are happy is if they get better benefits... No they DON'T have the same rights. If they can't marry like you can, they DON'T. |
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Ya know, I read this thread and others of similar subject. As much as I really, really try to put myself in others shoes before making any kind of judgment... for the life of me I can not wrap my mind around WHY any of you give a flying **** who, what, where another chooses to marry. There is NO threat to your decision to not be gay, there is NO threat to your marriage..or potential marriage. There is no threat to YOU at all...why do you care? Seems to just keep coming back as..it's just not right, the definition of marriage has to be protected... get off your judgmental high horses. A same sex marriage has NOTHING to do with you or your beliefs... get over yourselves and let people live as they wish. so why are you worried about it? does anything i think or do affect you in any way, shape or form? you should get off your high horse and quit thinking that i should have to think like you and explain myself when i dont I care about the issue because I know gay people...many of them. Including a sister who is gay. They have the right to be happy...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL..not just hetro's. My high horse? The horse I ride that believes that ALL people have a right to live as they choose as long as it's not hurting you...is that the horse your referring to? Is not such a bad horse to ride..equality for all, including YOU! You couldn't think like me even if you tried really hard.... I don't equate marriage to happiness. Quite the opposite in fact. This can all be solved by taking marriage out of governmental policy. If you wanted to get married so be it, but there should be no formal recognition or benefits afforded a marriage by the government. This is a case where its better that no one benefits from being stupid. its better that the government not advocate for mothers and fathers , and potential mothers and fathers, to make the commitment to each other and their kids? I disagree. But I do feel its coming to one of two extremes. Either marriage gets tossed altogether as anything but a personal choice. Or marriage gets opened up to allow it to be a choice of ANY TWO consenting adults, or possibly even more than two. you need a marriage license to commit to your partner or kids? I am betting that the number of divorces and dead beat parents would lead one to believe that a marriage certificate means little as to whether people act responsibly or not. |
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Ya know, I read this thread and others of similar subject. As much as I really, really try to put myself in others shoes before making any kind of judgment... for the life of me I can not wrap my mind around WHY any of you give a flying **** who, what, where another chooses to marry. There is NO threat to your decision to not be gay, there is NO threat to your marriage..or potential marriage. There is no threat to YOU at all...why do you care? Seems to just keep coming back as..it's just not right, the definition of marriage has to be protected... get off your judgmental high horses. A same sex marriage has NOTHING to do with you or your beliefs... get over yourselves and let people live as they wish. so why are you worried about it? does anything i think or do affect you in any way, shape or form? you should get off your high horse and quit thinking that i should have to think like you and explain myself when i dont I care about the issue because I know gay people...many of them. Including a sister who is gay. They have the right to be happy...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL..not just hetro's. My high horse? The horse I ride that believes that ALL people have a right to live as they choose as long as it's not hurting you...is that the horse your referring to? It's really sad to me that religious dogma comes first to the happiness of human beings, it truly is. as someone else put it, happiness and marriage are two different issues we should all have the right to be happy and do whatever we want with whomever we want in our personal life we shouldnt have the government giving support to everything we want to do with whomever we want in our personal life though there is a difference, IF we were saying to outlaw homosexual lifestyles, I could understand the argument that everyone deserves to be happy but protesting homosexual marriage has nothing to do with stopping people from being able to live 'happy' It takes away something from them though that others can do, and denies them the benefits others get when marrying legally. So in that sense in particular, it very much does impact their ability to live happily if they are denied benefits others get. guess what? benefits are just that 'benefits' . not 'entitlements' I dont get the same benefits that come to others with having a masters degree I dont get the same benefits that come to those in a different income bracket I dont get the same benefits as a business owner these types of benefits are not 'rights' and have little to do though with my ability to live 'happy' My kids dont have the same 'benefits' as me there ia a perception of a difference of RESPONSIBILITY that leads to a difference in PRIVILEGE ,, thats life. it's the same thing over and over, gays want more than everyone else and use the discrimination issue to try to get it... they have every right you or me have, but that is not enough for them, they want more and better rights, to make them feel better about themselves...they say it's about happiness, but i guess the only way they are happy is if they get better benefits... No they DON'T have the same rights. If they can't marry like you can, they DON'T. why can't they marry like i can? no one says they can't marry... where did you get that? |
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why can't they marry like i can? no one says they can't marry... where did you get that? The laws that prohibit it in some states maybe?? Come on now. |
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why can't they marry like i can? no one says they can't marry... where did you get that? The laws that prohibit it in some states maybe?? Come on now. there is no law that say someone that is gay cannot marry...any gay can get married just like anyone else... the law says it has to be a man and a woman that gets married, not two men or two women...being gay has nothing to do with getting married |
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