to get a better understanding of why i'm against it?...lol, i have to call BS on that one...

Ya know, I read this thread and others of similar subject.
As much as I really, really try to put myself in others
shoes before making any kind of judgment...
for the life of me I can not wrap my mind around WHY any
of you give a flying **** who, what, where another chooses to marry.

There is NO threat to your decision to not be gay, there is NO
threat to your marriage..or potential marriage. There is no
threat to YOU at all...why do you care?
Seems to just keep coming back as..it's just not right, the
definition of marriage has to be protected...
get off your judgmental high horses.

A same sex marriage has NOTHING to do with you or your beliefs...
get over yourselves and let people live as they wish.

Why not? I don't understand why anyone would be against it, so of course I would ask questions. Like I said, I can only speak for myself. I can't tell you why someone else would ask you questions.

so why are you worried about it? does anything i think or do affect you in any way, shape or form? you should get off your high horse and quit thinking that i should have to think like you and explain myself when i dont

I care about the issue because I know gay people...many of them. Including a sister who is gay. They have the right to be happy...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL..not just hetro's.
My high horse? The horse I ride that believes that ALL people have a right to live as they choose as long as it's not hurting you...is that the horse your referring to?
Is not such a bad horse to ride..equality for all, including YOU!
You couldn't think like me even if you tried really hard....

I don't equate marriage to happiness. Quite the opposite in fact.

This can all be solved by taking marriage out of governmental policy.

If you wanted to get married so be it, but there should be no formal recognition or benefits afforded a marriage by the government.

This is a case where its better that no one benefits from being stupid.

What you or I think marriage brings isn't really a concern. If someone thinks that marriage will bring them happiness, they have
the right to give it a go..without all the hoopla and judgment.
Live and let live...

It certainly is a concern. It is no different than what you have been preaching. Equality. I shouldn't have to get married to reap certain benefits afforded someone that does.

That is ridiculous.

End the benefits to marriage and then you will have equality for all.

Its about equality, right?

I care about the issue because I know gay people...many of them. Including a sister who is gay. They have the right to be happy...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL..not just hetro's.
My high horse? The horse I ride that believes that ALL people have a right to live as they choose as long as it's not hurting you...is that the horse your referring to?
Is not such a bad horse to ride..equality for all, including YOU!
You couldn't think like me even if you tried really hard....

Stating my thoughts on what I believe is fair is not preaching...

Marriage shouldn't be a government or religious affair!

it is preaching when your telling other people what to think...

i don't want to think like you, then i would be telling others what to think, like you are doing now... you babble about equality, but you don't practice what you babble... do i not have the right to think what i want without having to be told i am wrong from the babbling liberals? when did i say you are wrong about anything? you can think what you want with no "scolding" from me, so how about you let others think what they want without the drama?

I don't stop anyone from thinking mean thoughts about others...
wish i could!

and what have i said that was mean about this topic?

I care about the issue because I know gay people...many of them. Including a sister who is gay. They have the right to be happy...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL..not just hetro's.
My high horse? The horse I ride that believes that ALL people have a right to live as they choose as long as it's not hurting you...is that the horse your referring to?

A basic or foundational right, derived from natural law; a right deemed by the Supreme Court to receive the highest level of Constitutional protection against government interference.


,,,determined by the COURTS, meaning determined by interpretation of the very vague wording of the constitution

no such wording EXPLICITLY includes marriage or voting so the courts have given findings bases upon how they interpret it

so, the court CAN define a fundamental right and does define fundamental rights, BUT, not all courts have determined 'marriage' to be one nor do they have to

for marriage to be a right, similar to voting, it would need to be 'free', in my opinion

you cant tell me it is my fundamental right 'IF' I get a license, because (As you objected to) that puts a condition on it

its either fundamental or its not, if its conditional , (by your own logic) how can it be fundamental,,,it doesnt follow logically

voting costs me nothing but effort and noone can stop me from doing it,, when I marry, I require a license, so they can REQUIRE certain things to obtain it,,,kind of killing the notion of a fundamental right because why would a fundamental right require a license?

Judging others being gay as wrong it seems to me. It's ideas like that that are very much harmful and destructive to society and unity. You're entitled to that belief surely, but don't expect everyone to just sit back and take it and not defend those who need to be defended, because that isn't happening.

FOOD is a fundamental right - where do you get yours?

how is food a fundamental right?