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Jeanniebean
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I met a girl here in town who was openly, and loudly, a wiccan and she made no bones about it when talking to anyone she came into contact with, not even knowing or caring what their religious beliefs were. I cringed when she told me what she was saying to people in my community because I knew they were viewing her as the spawn of Satan with their Christian fundamentalist views. She didn't last long in her job or in this town. She was here three months and left.
And yet Christians can openly and loudly talk it up about their religious beliefs, no one bats an eye or even notices. That's the spoiled part. |
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The problem is similar to the problem with whites in this country. Whites had an advantage whether they were aware of it or not. They made laws that catered to them and made it societally acceptable, preferable to be white in the white society. Unfair to those unwhites, hell yea, but did the whites see their advantage? In most cases no, even today they do not see it because they live in their body and it is white. Same thing with the spoiled Christians in this country who have had many advantages all along that are so common they cannot see them because they see from their Christian ideals and mind for that matter. So we have to fight like minorities do to get fair treatment at this level. And the fight is on. A really great book to read is "Black like me." It is the story of a white man who made himself "black" and lived as a black man to experience what it was like. A really eye opening book. it is very interesting, as is the spook who sat by the door the difference here though is,, being 'black' is something people see a mile away,, they can just see a picture and make that assessment religious FAITH is not so easily recognizable or labeled by others, its not something they can 'see' on you,,,,,(unless it involves certain customary clothing) Bull shyte. All you have to do is speak to the person for a few minutes. You will at least get a god bless you.....and you don't have to sneeze....lol I dont know christians like this,, perhaps its regional,,,, I have never said God bless you in person to anyone unless they sneezed or called my answering machine I used the sneeze for a reason. Why do we say that? Why would that be so prevalent? Kinda unfair that it is what is said when a person sneezes huh? |
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putting assumptions about what others are expecting aside,,,
not being spoiled requires not complaining about what you 'dont get'? msharmony I'm quite sure you know what 'spoiled' means. We as Americans, are all a bit 'spoiled.' When you look at millions of people in Africa who are starving and living in camps, don't have enough water or food, who are running from war and violence..... and we complain if the cable television goes out... we are spoiled. on this we agree my objection , if it can be called that, stems from the negative connotation of being described as 'spoiled' because or being in agreement with cultural or legal doctrines and boundaries.... is it negative that the majority should live in conditions they wish to live in unless they can be proven to be 'unjust' conditions and what are the 'unjust' conditions non christians are subjected to in this country because of christians its a sincere question because I am stumped every time I read this assertion,,,,,, You could find out easily enough if you would put on a burka and live as a Muslim for a few months, or live and speak to people as a pagan or non-christian in your community, and see if you notice a very cold shoulder. ok, so we are talking about 'personal' bigotry, not related to actual laws of the land that subject others to a certain religion or 'spoil' one religion in particular,,,, Call it whatever you like, I never mentioned any laws. Its a private club that has to do with community and social order. Bigotry, yes, but no one admits it. |
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I met a girl here in town who was openly, and loudly, a wiccan and she made no bones about it when talking to anyone she came into contact with, not even knowing or caring what their religious beliefs were. I cringed when she told me what she was saying to people in my community because I knew they were viewing her as the spawn of Satan with their Christian fundamentalist views. She didn't last long in her job or in this town. She was here three months and left. Societal pressure can be a handy weapon, Christians know all about it and how to use it. |
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I met a girl here in town who was openly, and loudly, a wiccan and she made no bones about it when talking to anyone she came into contact with, not even knowing or caring what their religious beliefs were. I cringed when she told me what she was saying to people in my community because I knew they were viewing her as the spawn of Satan with their Christian fundamentalist views. She didn't last long in her job or in this town. She was here three months and left. Societal pressure can be a handy weapon, Christians know all about it and how to use it. And yet Christians can openly and loudly talk it up about their religious beliefs, no one bats an eye or even notices. That's the spoiled part. |
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I dont know for certain, although there is much speculation about where god bless you originated
I dont find it sad, I just think its a case of cultural repetition where most people saying it dont really know or care about its origin kind of like saying GD , ,but most people dont really mean it literally, its a cultural perjorative,,, |
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The problem is similar to the problem with whites in this country. Whites had an advantage whether they were aware of it or not. They made laws that catered to them and made it societally acceptable, preferable to be white in the white society. Unfair to those unwhites, hell yea, but did the whites see their advantage? In most cases no, even today they do not see it because they live in their body and it is white. Same thing with the spoiled Christians in this country who have had many advantages all along that are so common they cannot see them because they see from their Christian ideals and mind for that matter. So we have to fight like minorities do to get fair treatment at this level. And the fight is on. Wait a minute here. Are you saying you're not white??? |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Fri 07/08/11 10:01 PM
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I met a girl here in town who was openly, and loudly, a wiccan and she made no bones about it when talking to anyone she came into contact with, not even knowing or caring what their religious beliefs were. I cringed when she told me what she was saying to people in my community because I knew they were viewing her as the spawn of Satan with their Christian fundamentalist views. She didn't last long in her job or in this town. She was here three months and left. Societal pressure can be a handy weapon, Christians know all about it and how to use it. And yet Christians can openly and loudly talk it up about their religious beliefs, no one bats an eye or even notices. That's the spoiled part. Yea it is acceptable to say god bless you whenever you get ready. The president even does it after every speech. Talk about government sanctioned religion. 
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I met a girl here in town who was openly, and loudly, a wiccan and she made no bones about it when talking to anyone she came into contact with, not even knowing or caring what their religious beliefs were. I cringed when she told me what she was saying to people in my community because I knew they were viewing her as the spawn of Satan with their Christian fundamentalist views. She didn't last long in her job or in this town. She was here three months and left. Societal pressure can be a handy weapon, Christians know all about it and how to use it. And yet Christians can openly and loudly talk it up about their religious beliefs, no one bats an eye or even notices. That's the spoiled part. I dont know, it often sounds in this thread that the objection to bigotry against some groups is based in a wish for bigotry against other groups what is wrong with christians, or anyone else, speaking about their beliefs? |
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I met a girl here in town who was openly, and loudly, a wiccan and she made no bones about it when talking to anyone she came into contact with, not even knowing or caring what their religious beliefs were. I cringed when she told me what she was saying to people in my community because I knew they were viewing her as the spawn of Satan with their Christian fundamentalist views. She didn't last long in her job or in this town. She was here three months and left. Societal pressure can be a handy weapon, Christians know all about it and how to use it. And yet Christians can openly and loudly talk it up about their religious beliefs, no one bats an eye or even notices. That's the spoiled part. Yea it is acceptable say god bless you whenever you get ready. The president even does it after every speech. Talk about government sanctioned religion.
Saying "God bless you." doesn't bother me one damn bit. It's just a polite thing to say, no more meaningful than "How are you?" People don't really want to know how you are. Its just a greeting. |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Fri 07/08/11 10:05 PM
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I met a girl here in town who was openly, and loudly, a wiccan and she made no bones about it when talking to anyone she came into contact with, not even knowing or caring what their religious beliefs were. I cringed when she told me what she was saying to people in my community because I knew they were viewing her as the spawn of Satan with their Christian fundamentalist views. She didn't last long in her job or in this town. She was here three months and left. Societal pressure can be a handy weapon, Christians know all about it and how to use it. And yet Christians can openly and loudly talk it up about their religious beliefs, no one bats an eye or even notices. That's the spoiled part. I dont know, it often sounds in this thread that the objection to bigotry against some groups is based in a wish for bigotry against other groups what is wrong with christians, or anyone else, speaking about their beliefs? Again, Christians cannot see the advantages they have. You will just have to accept that those of us who fight for our rights which will lessen the advantage to be fair, have to do what we have to do. You do know that there are whites who see the equalizing laws as "reverse" discrimination..l.lol |
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I met a girl here in town who was openly, and loudly, a wiccan and she made no bones about it when talking to anyone she came into contact with, not even knowing or caring what their religious beliefs were. I cringed when she told me what she was saying to people in my community because I knew they were viewing her as the spawn of Satan with their Christian fundamentalist views. She didn't last long in her job or in this town. She was here three months and left. Societal pressure can be a handy weapon, Christians know all about it and how to use it. And yet Christians can openly and loudly talk it up about their religious beliefs, no one bats an eye or even notices. That's the spoiled part. Yea it is acceptable say god bless you whenever you get ready. The president even does it after every speech. Talk about government sanctioned religion.
Saying "God bless you." doesn't bother me one damn bit. It's just a polite thing to say, no more meaningful than "How are you?" People don't really want to know how you are. Its just a greeting. Except it is an advantage that is allowed because "non christians" really don't care, it has little meaning to them but the advantage is taken each time to assume that the person will "appreciate" this hollow blessing. |
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I met a girl here in town who was openly, and loudly, a wiccan and she made no bones about it when talking to anyone she came into contact with, not even knowing or caring what their religious beliefs were. I cringed when she told me what she was saying to people in my community because I knew they were viewing her as the spawn of Satan with their Christian fundamentalist views. She didn't last long in her job or in this town. She was here three months and left. Societal pressure can be a handy weapon, Christians know all about it and how to use it. And yet Christians can openly and loudly talk it up about their religious beliefs, no one bats an eye or even notices. That's the spoiled part. Yea it is acceptable to say god bless you whenever you get ready. The president even does it after every speech. Talk about government sanctioned religion.
acceptable, yes, as opposed to mandated or abridged its kind of like free speech, EVEN FOR CHRISTIANS |
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I met a girl here in town who was openly, and loudly, a wiccan and she made no bones about it when talking to anyone she came into contact with, not even knowing or caring what their religious beliefs were. I cringed when she told me what she was saying to people in my community because I knew they were viewing her as the spawn of Satan with their Christian fundamentalist views. She didn't last long in her job or in this town. She was here three months and left. Societal pressure can be a handy weapon, Christians know all about it and how to use it. And yet Christians can openly and loudly talk it up about their religious beliefs, no one bats an eye or even notices. That's the spoiled part. I dont know, it often sounds in this thread that the objection to bigotry against some groups is based in a wish for bigotry against other groups what is wrong with christians, or anyone else, speaking about their beliefs? Again, Christians cannot see the advantages they have. You will just have to accept that those of us who fight for our rights which will lessen the advantage to be fair, have to do what we have to do. You do know that there are whites who see the equalizing laws as "reverse" discrimination..l.lol IM not patriotic, but this is whats good about the country, that the people can mold and change it into what they wish to and it happens through organization and action,, those who take the biggest actions get heard,,,, I dont have to agree with every change, but I also dont have to be muted from saying so,,,,it doesnt make me spoiled to say I dont agree or like how something has changed, anymore than it makes another spoiled to say they dont agree or like how it hasnt the freedom in america is to have an opinion and feel free to express it and vote on it this way, there arent so many cases of 'spoiling' anyone as there are cases where some just got 'overruled' |
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I met a girl here in town who was openly, and loudly, a wiccan and she made no bones about it when talking to anyone she came into contact with, not even knowing or caring what their religious beliefs were. I cringed when she told me what she was saying to people in my community because I knew they were viewing her as the spawn of Satan with their Christian fundamentalist views. She didn't last long in her job or in this town. She was here three months and left. Societal pressure can be a handy weapon, Christians know all about it and how to use it. And yet Christians can openly and loudly talk it up about their religious beliefs, no one bats an eye or even notices. That's the spoiled part. Yea it is acceptable say god bless you whenever you get ready. The president even does it after every speech. Talk about government sanctioned religion.
Saying "God bless you." doesn't bother me one damn bit. It's just a polite thing to say, no more meaningful than "How are you?" People don't really want to know how you are. Its just a greeting. Except it is an advantage that is allowed because "non christians" really don't care, it has little meaning to them but the advantage is taken each time to assume that the person will "appreciate" this hollow blessing. it is not an 'advantage', its the same free speech permitted to everyone,,, its a sentiment that means to feel better, does it really matter that much which words are used?....this is what I mean by overreaction that happens MERELY because of God or the Bible being in any way perceived as involved,,,, 'I was in a burning house and that man came in and got me out but he had the nerve to ask 'God' for strength,, how spoiled and assuming of him,,,' ,,,its a type of bigotry against religion that is disguised in an objection to the 'bigotry of religion' |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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,,its a type of bigotry against religion that is disguised in an objection to the 'bigotry of religion'
I don't know that I would call anything "bigotry" against a religion. Bigotry is something directed against a person, not against a particular set of beliefs or religion. It is against a person. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those(persons) of differing race, ethnicity, religion or spirituality, nationality, inter-regional prejudice, gender and sexual orientation, homelessness, various medical disorders particularly behavioral disorders and addictive disorders. I object to religion because (I feel that) it is a false man-made doctrine based on fiction and myth, and it is used as a tool by the elite who designed and control it to manipulate and separate people. That is nothing personal against people who are sucked into believing that doctrine. That is nothing personal against Christians, Jews, Islamic people who hold those beliefs. They are victims. I object to the fake and false doctrines and people who push them as history and as facts when they (in my opinion) have no evidence to support them as anything but myth and fiction. |
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the problem is that you might denigrate a perfectly beautiful
set of religious precepts and ethos merely because the bible is not to be taken literally. all religions not just the abrahamic religions have their own stories and parables and meditations and interpretations it is a form of philosophy and meditation. you should not take their writings and say since there is no proof that these stories occurred historically accurately exactly the way they are described that the religions themselves should then be discredited. that is not right. Hinduism is not valueless because the Bhagavad Gita is not historically accurate! 
Same for Confucianism, Taoism, Wicca, <any other religion here> So - when you say such things it appears to be simply derogatory bashing of peoples philosophical and religious beliefs for no good reason. You don't want to say that someone's religion is valueless just because some of the writings associated with that religion are unverifiable or even fictional parables. Not all followers of these religions believe that such writing are to be taken literally. In fact very few believe that way because it is clearly absurd. The religions themselves are not absurd though. Far from it. |
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,,its a type of bigotry against religion that is disguised in an objection to the 'bigotry of religion'
I don't know that I would call anything "bigotry" against a religion. Bigotry is something directed against a person, not against a particular set of beliefs or religion. It is against a person. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those(persons) of differing race, ethnicity, religion or spirituality, nationality, inter-regional prejudice, gender and sexual orientation, homelessness, various medical disorders particularly behavioral disorders and addictive disorders. I object to religion because (I feel that) it is a false man-made doctrine based on fiction and myth, and it is used as a tool by the elite who designed and control it to manipulate and separate people. That is nothing personal against people who are sucked into believing that doctrine. That is nothing personal against Christians, Jews, Islamic people who hold those beliefs. They are victims. I object to the fake and false doctrines and people who push them as history and as facts when they (in my opinion) have no evidence to support them as anything but myth and fiction. correction then, I find it interesting that there is so often an objection to the bigotry 'of religion' being used to disguise bigotry 'against the religious' |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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,,its a type of bigotry against religion that is disguised in an objection to the 'bigotry of religion'
I don't know that I would call anything "bigotry" against a religion. Bigotry is something directed against a person, not against a particular set of beliefs or religion. It is against a person. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those(persons) of differing race, ethnicity, religion or spirituality, nationality, inter-regional prejudice, gender and sexual orientation, homelessness, various medical disorders particularly behavioral disorders and addictive disorders. I object to religion because (I feel that) it is a false man-made doctrine based on fiction and myth, and it is used as a tool by the elite who designed and control it to manipulate and separate people. That is nothing personal against people who are sucked into believing that doctrine. That is nothing personal against Christians, Jews, Islamic people who hold those beliefs. They are victims. I object to the fake and false doctrines and people who push them as history and as facts when they (in my opinion) have no evidence to support them as anything but myth and fiction. correction then, I find it interesting that there is so often an objection to the bigotry 'of religion' being used to disguise bigotry 'against the religious' Your implication is a little too vague, so I will make myself very clear. I object to the religions, not "the religious." However, sometimes "the religious" become my "opposition" because they are pawns of the doctrine. They seek to conquer and/or convert, they wish to nobly die for the cause. Religion, and the doctrines set forth, captures loyal followers some who are willing to die for their cause or their God, and they are set against each other, each believing they are right and the other is wrong; or they are righteous and the other is not. They can't all be right, yet they stem from the same book. Their religion is built on the same (fictitious) story of King David. This needs to be solved and worked out. It needs to be investigated. The answer is not going to be that one of them is right and the other are wrong. They are all off the mark. Learn from the myth, and the stories but don't call it "true history" and kill each other over the details. Its sort of a no-brainer. I just would like to see people question and investigate the origin of the doctrines they have put their undying faith in. It has little to do with God. You don't have to lose your faith in God. |
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,,its a type of bigotry against religion that is disguised in an objection to the 'bigotry of religion'
I don't know that I would call anything "bigotry" against a religion. Bigotry is something directed against a person, not against a particular set of beliefs or religion. It is against a person. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those(persons) of differing race, ethnicity, religion or spirituality, nationality, inter-regional prejudice, gender and sexual orientation, homelessness, various medical disorders particularly behavioral disorders and addictive disorders. I object to religion because (I feel that) it is a false man-made doctrine based on fiction and myth, and it is used as a tool by the elite who designed and control it to manipulate and separate people. That is nothing personal against people who are sucked into believing that doctrine. That is nothing personal against Christians, Jews, Islamic people who hold those beliefs. They are victims. I object to the fake and false doctrines and people who push them as history and as facts when they (in my opinion) have no evidence to support them as anything but myth and fiction. correction then, I find it interesting that there is so often an objection to the bigotry 'of religion' being used to disguise bigotry 'against the religious' Your implication is a little too vague, so I will make myself very clear. I object to the religions, not "the religious." However, sometimes "the religious" become my "opposition" because they are pawns of the doctrine. They seek to conquer and/or convert, they wish to nobly die for the cause. Religion, and the doctrines set forth, captures loyal followers some who are willing to die for their cause or their God, and they are set against each other, each believing they are right and the other is wrong; or they are righteous and the other is not. They can't all be right, yet they stem from the same book. Their religion is built on the same (fictitious) story of King David. This needs to be solved and worked out. It needs to be investigated. The answer is not going to be that one of them is right and the other are wrong. They are all off the mark. Learn from the myth, and the stories but don't call it "true history" and kill each other over the details. Its sort of a no-brainer. I just would like to see people question and investigate the origin of the doctrines they have put their undying faith in. It has little to do with God. You don't have to lose your faith in God. I am likewise saddened by people willing to kill over their interpretation of a religious book I believe people should put 'faith' in what makes sense to them, regardless of origins It may be a true history, has not been proven NOT to be a true history, but people shouldnt kill each other in any manner I am fortunate to have also not met such christians(that wish to die or kill over their religious belief) |
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