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Most people who speak to god these days are in the mental institution but in the old days you talked with god and you wrote a story and it becomes a revered book. I wonder how that works? interesting, because most preachers I know arent in institutions? I think those in institutions exhibit behaviors beyond just 'talking to God',, thats called prayer in most circles and not by itself insane at all... |
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Most people who speak to god these days are in the mental institution but in the old days you talked with god and you wrote a story and it becomes a revered book. I wonder how that works? interesting, because most preachers I know arent in institutions? I think those in institutions exhibit behaviors beyond just 'talking to God',, thats called prayer in most circles and not by itself insane at all... Most preachers do not claim to talk to god. Nor do people claim to talk to god and write a text about it and not be in a mental institution. Prayer is putting a wish out into the universe and hoping for a positive or negative result depending on what was wished for. There is no dialogue happening so no "talking" is happening there or they would be in a mental institution. |
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Most people who speak to god these days are in the mental institution but in the old days you talked with god and you wrote a story and it becomes a revered book. I wonder how that works? interesting, because most preachers I know arent in institutions? I think those in institutions exhibit behaviors beyond just 'talking to God',, thats called prayer in most circles and not by itself insane at all... Most preachers do not claim to talk to god. Nor do people claim to talk to god and write a text about it and not be in a mental institution. Prayer is putting a wish out into the universe and hoping for a positive or negative result depending on what was wished for. There is no dialogue happening so no "talking" is happening there or they would be in a mental institution. most preachers I KNOW do indeed get 'called' by God to preach ,,,just like the biblical authors were called to write most of the books of the bible also dont include anything form the author claiming they were speaking 'to God' as they wrote it,,, so the analogy doesnt quite fit,,, my prayers are talking to God, asking Gods forgiveness, thanking him for my blessings I do this daily and no institution would take me merely because of this institutions care about whether a perosn is FUNCTIONING in society without harming themself or anyone else or engaging in activity (addictions) that cause their life to be disrupted unwelcomingly this is why homosexuality was removed from the list of mental illnesses, because homosexuals function just fine and dont feel their life is disrupted in any way,,, |
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Talking to beings, creatures, people that are not visible and non existent regardless to the amount of people who do it, is still grounds to be locked up. Preachers claim to be spreading the word, not listening to god tell it to them verbatim, well at least the semi sane ones don't...
It is a concern to their concept of reality and yes, IMO religious folks have an issue with reality and responsibility so they do have problems from their beliefs. It is just accepted at this time. It is not normal to speak to and expect an answer from a non existent person or being. No matter how they logic the reason for it. |
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Talking to beings, creatures, people that are not visible and non existent regardless to the amount of people who do it, is still grounds to be locked up. Preachers claim to be spreading the word, not listening to god tell it to them verbatim, well at least the semi sane ones don't...
It is a concern to their concept of reality and yes, IMO religious folks have an issue with reality and responsibility so they do have problems from their beliefs. It is just accepted at this time. It is not normal to speak to and expect an answer from a non existent person or being. No matter how they logic the reason for it. and I dont think its 'normal' to lie down with the same gender,, but personal opinions about 'normalness' dont factor into mental insanity by themself,,, |
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You cannot discredit these writings but it is
certainly correct to speak out against their use to place one group over another or to inflame ethnic or religious hatred. Such are abominations and not characteristic of Islam or Christianity as a whole. Yes you can discredit it. If enough effort were put into it, (instead of taking someone's word for it because you fear the wrath of God..) you could discredit the stories that shape the three fake Abrahamic religions of Islam, Christianity and Judaism that stem from King David and Abraham who are fictitious characters. Investigate them, and investigate the reason those stories were spun and you will unravel these religions and you will uncover a truth. the 'truth' we discover is the one we are seeking,, in most cases,, the 'proof' we give credit to is the 'proof' that reaffirms the direction we already lean the bible has withstood all these years, has several books, and far too much information to ever be 'discredited' as a whole the most people can do is nitpick at certain things and 'gage' them against what science claims to be true ,,, so far and science itself is constantly being updated and discovered so even that wont discredit things that are said to have happened so far in the past.... You are incorrect about that. The reason the Bible will be (and has been) EASILY discredited is because people hold it to such a high standard as to call it "the word of God" and "infallible" or "true" etc. They rationalize and make excuses for the inconsistencies and illogical claims and finally resort to "you can't possibly understand it because you don't believe...blah blah blah etc." In evaluating any information or book, it is not a good thing to decide it is true before you read it. But that is how people read the Bible and they are taught and told that it is the true word of God Almighty himself. Even without science the Bible is easily discredited with logic and common sense. The idea that the 'truth' we discover is one we are seeking is only true when you start with indoctrination and have been told what to believe. It is impossible for anyone to know "the truth" about anything. All I am asking is that if you want more truth you have to ask questions and investigate logically. If this is done, you will uncover a lot of the truth. But you will only be able to see the truth if you vow to accept it even if you don't want it. I am willing to change my mind. Are you? I would be very interested in all information that validates the lives of King David and Abraham as a real historical persons without resorting to the stories in the Bible. Evidence outside of the Bible is necessary because if the Bible story is fiction, it cannot be evidence. I still stand by the 'common sense' conclusion that a book with that much information can never be as a whole discredited,, only called to question certain parts like we now question certain parts of what is in american history books but we dont discredit the whole of AMERICAN HISTORY because of it,,,, it also cant be discredited based upon its 'truth', for the reasons I mentioned before,,,,there has to be an assumed foundation of some other 'truth' to discredit the truth of the bible I was taught the bible is the inspired word of God, that those who wrote these books were inspired to do so, truthfully, by God that is not something that can be 'proven' , or 'disproven' More "liberal" Christians may be able to accept that some of the Bible can be discredited and still not discredit the whole thing. But I know Christians who have so been taught that the Bible is the word of God and infallible that to discredit even a small part of it would equal dismantling the entire thing. Sort of like how a single plane is believed to have brought down a tall Building on 9-11. |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Tue 07/12/11 02:28 PM
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It is your ideas about appeasing God and the cockamamie notion that God somehow is like some abusive parent that I find untenable and ridiculous. Sure there are passages which portray God as intolerant of sinful behavior and getting angry and stuff but there are also passages which describe ultimate kindness and compassion overcoming anger and vengeance. It's a core message of the story in the Bible - overcoming these emotions and achieving ultimate kindness. Since God is NOT human and is beyond these emotions it is not reasonable to describe God as having real human traits like this. But that's kinda the point, a lot of the negative qualities ARE human! If God is above us, than why does he act like us in that way? Umm.... because God doesn't act like us.
Except these ways he lashes out are human.......jealous, violent, vengeful, angry, these are human qualities. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 07/12/11 02:53 PM
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Talking to beings, creatures, people that are not visible and non existent regardless to the amount of people who do it, is still grounds to be locked up. Preachers claim to be spreading the word, not listening to god tell it to them verbatim, well at least the semi sane ones don't...
It is a concern to their concept of reality and yes, IMO religious folks have an issue with reality and responsibility so they do have problems from their beliefs. It is just accepted at this time. It is not normal to speak to and expect an answer from a non existent person or being. No matter how they logic the reason for it. Wrong. If you locked up people who hear voices or talk to themselves, etc. you would be locking up half the population. Luckily, in most states, the only people that can be locked up are people who are believed to be proven a danger to themselves or society. When I misplace something, I speak to the universe. 
"Okay, where is my purse!" For some reason that seems to help. I soon find it. It's okay to question personal reality, but you shouldn't really judge others on their perceptions of it unless they are a danger to society or themselves. |
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It is your ideas about appeasing God and the cockamamie notion that God somehow is like some abusive parent that I find untenable and ridiculous. Sure there are passages which portray God as intolerant of sinful behavior and getting angry and stuff but there are also passages which describe ultimate kindness and compassion overcoming anger and vengeance. It's a core message of the story in the Bible - overcoming these emotions and achieving ultimate kindness. Since God is NOT human and is beyond these emotions it is not reasonable to describe God as having real human traits like this. But that's kinda the point, a lot of the negative qualities ARE human! If God is above us, than why does he act like us in that way? Umm.... because God doesn't act like us.
Except these ways he lashes out are human.......jealous, violent, vengeful, angry, these are human qualities. These stories are designed to make us think about our own human motivations and what happens when there are lapses in ethics or judgement not to actually ascribe human emotions to God. They are human qualities of course but they are not Godly and one can take that to be the point of the stories. People bring ruin on themselves with immoral and unethical behavior. |
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Hey Folks
Did we discredit these books yet cause I need to get started on being God. I have a tailor all picked out. I'm going to use the one that Kate used in the royal wedding. My robe will have a touch more color and my crown will be of the traditional kingly style. I will have to get the breast area fixed as to show my manly bigoted chest. I will also be going with boots but they will indeed match my cape. After I become my own God I will distribute my design to all of the thrift shops so you can become God's for less. Not that you are a lesser God but why should you have to pay designer pricing to become deity. |
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GODDESS OF LIGHT
GODDESS OF DARKNESS 
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40 pages of circle-jerking.
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Talking to beings, creatures, people that are not visible and non existent regardless to the amount of people who do it, is still grounds to be locked up. Preachers claim to be spreading the word, not listening to god tell it to them verbatim, well at least the semi sane ones don't...
It is a concern to their concept of reality and yes, IMO religious folks have an issue with reality and responsibility so they do have problems from their beliefs. It is just accepted at this time. It is not normal to speak to and expect an answer from a non existent person or being. No matter how they logic the reason for it. Wrong. If you locked up people who hear voices or talk to themselves, etc. you would be locking up half the population. Luckily, in most states, the only people that can be locked up are people who are believed to be proven a danger to themselves or society. When I misplace something, I speak to the universe.
"Okay, where is my purse!" For some reason that seems to help. I soon find it. It's okay to question personal reality, but you shouldn't really judge others on their perceptions of it unless they are a danger to society or themselves. Now thier JB when u ask and find it is a reasoning of remembering. we are told when we need help to ask and it will be given. the sounds of this earth are the most powerful tool we have. everything creates sound whether we hear it or not. a sonic boom. a dog whistle. so speaking is what we are told to do because it can not be contained in our thoughts but summoned to do as we ask in faith. yet even our thoughts are heard. when when say the unseen is not thier then our thoughts have been lost.. Blessings..Miles |
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Hey Folks Did we discredit these books yet cause I need to get started on being God. I have a tailor all picked out. I'm going to use the one that Kate used in the royal wedding. My robe will have a touch more color and my crown will be of the traditional kingly style. I will have to get the breast area fixed as to show my manly bigoted chest. I will also be going with boots but they will indeed match my cape. After I become my own God I will distribute my design to all of the thrift shops so you can become God's for less. Not that you are a lesser God but why should you have to pay designer pricing to become deity. Perhaps you're missing the point? Now that we know that these ancient Zeus-like fables of Gods that are appeased by blood sacrifices or having their own sons sacrificed, etc. We are supposed to move onward and upward from that whole mentality. We no longer need any special robes or costumes to pretend to be authoritarian "godheads". It's that whole egoistical concept of jealous gods that has been discredited. So we don't want to just run off trying to emulate that same egoistical jealous godhead idol image. Where we continue to view the idea of 'god' as the ultimate selfish authoritarian. We need to get past that whole entire picture. Once you realize that you are a facet of the universal consciousness, they way to do acknowledge this and become your true self is to do just that. Be what you are naturally. Do be running out buying tailored costumes and robes trying to pretend that you are something you are not. All you would be doing then would be trying to replace the lost mythologies with a superficial live reenactment of the same facade. You would then just be attempting to play the part of the jealous egoistical godhead from the discredited ancient myths. You need to leave that theater altogether and consider a whole new vantage point. A view where ALL is "god" and where you are a facet of this supreme consciousness as is everyone else. Yes, by all means, buy yourself the "costume" of your choice. And play the role of your choice on the stage of life. But realize that all the other actors and actresses are also doing precisely the very same thing. "I have not said, Ye are Gods" - The Holy Spirit of Humanity
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Hey Folks Did we discredit these books yet cause I need to get started on being God. I have a tailor all picked out. I'm going to use the one that Kate used in the royal wedding. My robe will have a touch more color and my crown will be of the traditional kingly style. I will have to get the breast area fixed as to show my manly bigoted chest. I will also be going with boots but they will indeed match my cape. After I become my own God I will distribute my design to all of the thrift shops so you can become God's for less. Not that you are a lesser God but why should you have to pay designer pricing to become deity. Perhaps you're missing the point? Now that we know that these ancient Zeus-like fables of Gods that are appeased by blood sacrifices or having their own sons sacrificed, etc. We are supposed to move onward and upward from that whole mentality. We no longer need any special robes or costumes to pretend to be authoritarian "godheads". It's that whole egoistical concept of jealous gods that has been discredited. So we don't want to just run off trying to emulate that same egoistical jealous godhead idol image. Where we continue to view the idea of 'god' as the ultimate selfish authoritarian. We need to get past that whole entire picture. Once you realize that you are a facet of the universal consciousness, they way to do acknowledge this and become your true self is to do just that. Be what you are naturally. Do be running out buying tailored costumes and robes trying to pretend that you are something you are not. All you would be doing then would be trying to replace the lost mythologies with a superficial live reenactment of the same facade. You would then just be attempting to play the part of the jealous egoistical godhead from the discredited ancient myths. You need to leave that theater altogether and consider a whole new vantage point. A view where ALL is "god" and where you are a facet of this supreme consciousness as is everyone else. Yes, by all means, buy yourself the "costume" of your choice. And play the role of your choice on the stage of life. But realize that all the other actors and actresses are also doing precisely the very same thing. "I have not said, Ye are Gods" - The Holy Spirit of Humanity
Abra. The son sacrafice is way more than what most will ever realize. Yahshua was condemned by humans not Yahweh. Yahshua did not fight back because of a marraige. In a marraige hopefully at least thier is so much love that one would die for another. Yahshua said in the beginning divorce it was not allowed. but because of the hardening of hearts Yahweh allowed it.It is said that Yahweh divorced Israel. But by his own laws how can he remarry? who would he remarry? Remarriage is said from the beginning is allowed if the spouce has died. Yahshua came here for reconcilliation in human form. to where everyone was on equal footing. he told the pharesses and such what needed to be changed and thier fear of the common people listening to him caused them to want him dead. when they killed him the marraige was annulled for good by keeping his fathers own laws. The Laws of Yahweh. He showed true love by not fighting back. by forgiving them or the asking of it for them. thats unselfishness? now everyone not just Israel can become family.. It is a choice. His blood that he gave was the most kind jesture ever. the marraige covenent that they/we broke was annulled through death.and a new beginning could begin all is forgotten. when you see the big picture of the Lamb of Yahweh who's blood protects from death eternal. is a picture of a Husband protecting his family even if the most horrible death is what he will have to go through for he loves his wife and thier creation.. Blessings..Miles |
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Hey Folks Did we discredit these books yet cause I need to get started on being God. I have a tailor all picked out. I'm going to use the one that Kate used in the royal wedding. My robe will have a touch more color and my crown will be of the traditional kingly style. I will have to get the breast area fixed as to show my manly bigoted chest. I will also be going with boots but they will indeed match my cape. After I become my own God I will distribute my design to all of the thrift shops so you can become God's for less. Not that you are a lesser God but why should you have to pay designer pricing to become deity. Now now, lets not follow "tradition" by dictating what is Godly. As our own Gods, its up to us to "Intelligently Design" our own clothing. 
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I like the dark priestess...
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Abra. The son sacrafice is way more than what most will ever realize. Yahshua was condemned by humans not Yahweh. Yahshua did not fight back because of a marraige. In a marraige hopefully at least thier is so much love that one would die for another. Yahshua said in the beginning divorce it was not allowed. but because of the hardening of hearts Yahweh allowed it.It is said that Yahweh divorced Israel. But by his own laws how can he remarry? who would he remarry? Remarriage is said from the beginning is allowed if the spouce has died. Yahshua came here for reconcilliation in human form. to where everyone was on equal footing. he told the pharesses and such what needed to be changed and thier fear of the common people listening to him caused them to want him dead. when they killed him the marraige was annulled for good by keeping his fathers own laws. The Laws of Yahweh. He showed true love by not fighting back. by forgiving them or the asking of it for them. thats unselfishness? now everyone not just Israel can become family.. It is a choice. His blood that he gave was the most kind jesture ever. the marraige covenent that they/we broke was annulled through death.and a new beginning could begin all is forgotten. when you see the big picture of the Lamb of Yahweh who's blood protects from death eternal. is a picture of a Husband protecting his family even if the most horrible death is what he will have to go through for he loves his wife and thier creation.. Blessings..Miles A God who married a nation? Doesn't that whole plot seems a little weird to you? And now everyone is welcome to join in the married because God's original wife crucified him? What would have happened if they had accepted him with open arms? Would the rest of the world have been condemned then? He would no longer have an excuse to have more than one wife.
These stories are utter nonsense Miles. Seriously. Jealous egotistical godhead who marry nations, are appeased by blood sacrifices and will condemn anyone who doesn't believe in them to an eternal hellfire where there will be wailing and the gnashing of teeth. 
Clearly these stories evolved in a culture where people were naive enough to be frightened by them, and thus they served as a foundation for a religiously-motivated political authority. These religions were propagated by the sword and by threats of social rejection and charges of heresy should anyone refuse to honor and respect them. They are fear-based systems. There is nothing attractive about this picture at all unless, as you say, a person wants to join into a polygamous marriage with God, the Jews, and anyone else who wants to join in. I like the Dark Princess much better. She has her arms wide open and looks like she could use a hug. She could probably use a husband more than God could use another wife.
If we're going to believe in fairy tales why not choose a good one?
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Abra. The son sacrafice is way more than what most will ever realize. Yahshua was condemned by humans not Yahweh. Yahshua did not fight back because of a marraige. In a marraige hopefully at least thier is so much love that one would die for another. Yahshua said in the beginning divorce it was not allowed. but because of the hardening of hearts Yahweh allowed it.It is said that Yahweh divorced Israel. But by his own laws how can he remarry? who would he remarry? Remarriage is said from the beginning is allowed if the spouce has died. Yahshua came here for reconcilliation in human form. to where everyone was on equal footing. he told the pharesses and such what needed to be changed and thier fear of the common people listening to him caused them to want him dead. when they killed him the marraige was annulled for good by keeping his fathers own laws. The Laws of Yahweh. He showed true love by not fighting back. by forgiving them or the asking of it for them. thats unselfishness? now everyone not just Israel can become family.. It is a choice. His blood that he gave was the most kind jesture ever. the marraige covenent that they/we broke was annulled through death.and a new beginning could begin all is forgotten. when you see the big picture of the Lamb of Yahweh who's blood protects from death eternal. is a picture of a Husband protecting his family even if the most horrible death is what he will have to go through for he loves his wife and thier creation.. Blessings..Miles A God who married a nation? Doesn't that whole plot seems a little weird to you? And now everyone is welcome to join in the married because God's original wife crucified him? What would have happened if they had accepted him with open arms? Would the rest of the world have been condemned then? He would no longer have an excuse to have more than one wife.
These stories are utter nonsense Miles. Seriously. Jealous egotistical godhead who marry nations, are appeased by blood sacrifices and will condemn anyone who doesn't believe in them to an eternal hellfire where there will be wailing and the gnashing of teeth.
Clearly these stories evolved in a culture where people were naive enough to be frightened by them, and thus they served as a foundation for a religiously-motivated political authority. These religions were propagated by the sword and by threats of social rejection and charges of heresy should anyone refuse to honor and respect them. They are fear-based systems. There is nothing attractive about this picture at all unless, as you say, a person wants to join into a polygamous marriage with God, the Jews, and anyone else who wants to join in. I like the Dark Princess much better. She has her arms wide open and looks like she could use a hug. She could probably use a husband more than God could use another wife.
If we're going to believe in fairy tales why not choose a good one?
Clearly you do not understand that a covenent like a marraige are one in the same. look around you what do you see? a world where man wants what they want and to heck with everyone else. you say you have read the bible grew up in it but reading and understanding is clearly different yet you believe if you read something then you understand it.. I am now a scientist because i read a book once
yea go with that. you have a preconcieve vendeta to do all you can to ridicule the scriptures. when science is who is far far behind them. You love to use a Jealous Elohim.. so what you believe in is YOU.. are you Jealous of YOU? I believe you are.. you are so mixed up you are on these boards trying really not to convince us but yourself that you are "I AM" and thats all you need. If thaats true get in your spaceship and travel the galacies and when you find an inhabital planet set down and you can be "I AM" because its just you.. at least well i am not really sure so i would not want to speculate but would you fear yourself? Blessings..Miles |
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