That's a very interesting point MsHarmony. And one that I often bring up.

You say:



If this is true (and I agree that it is), then good people will interpret the Bible in good ways, and bad people will interpret the Bible in bad ways. So ultimately it's useless as a moral "guide".

Good people will do good things whether they have religion or not.

Bad people will do bad things whether they have religion or not.

Unfortunately it takes religion to get GOOD people to do BAD things in the name of a God. Such as burning women alive as "Witches" because some religion has convinced them that these women sold their souls to a demon.

Also if people are under the belief that it's "God's way" to punish people with pain for disobeying him, and they view him as the ultimate "Father" model, then they too are going to feel that the proper way for a parent to raise their children is by punishing them with pain for "disobedience" as well.

So GOOD people will get this BAD idea in their head as being "God's Way" of dealing with the mistakes that children make, etc.

Even people who have GOOD INTENTIONS can be negatively influenced by "bad ideals" being held up as "God's Way".

If it's good enough for God, then it's good enough for them. That's the MODEL.

If God punishes women with painful childbirth for Eve's disobedience to God, then surely it must be ok for a mere moral human to spank their child as punishment for whatever the parent disapproved of.

The whole thing condone a mentality of "punishment" as somehow being a "wise" and "godly" solution to things.

I disagree with that whole mentality.

And no, I don't disagree with "God".

I disagree that the ancient Hebrew mentality is representative of any "God". That's what I disagree with.

I don't refute that matter from outer space, which is a misconception in itself since outer space is just the space around us, contributed to the primordial soup that formed life on this planet.

As to aliens being the seeders of this planet, nope, doesn't feel right. As to aliens visiting this planet, if they did we wouldn't know it, and they would think we were barbarians of the utmost degree.

QUOTE FROM jeanebean---I don't abide insane zealots with their ridiculous silly superstitious ideas about a picture of a galaxy. I'm so tired of this insanity.

QUOTE FROM jeanebean---I believe it is vitally important for the future of the world that the truth be discovered about the fake religions of Islam, Christianity and Judaism.

You jumped straight on the band wagon as usual after Rkisit said this---In Genesis 1:1-26, God created plants on the third day and fish and birds on the fifth day. On the sixth day, He created animals and man.

2. In Genesis 2:7-25, God created man first. Then He created plants. Then, for man to have company, God created animals and birds. And finally, God created woman.


hell you can't even get past the first 2 genesis without there being a lie and a very conflicting story,funny thing is pastors have tried to neglect answering why this is written this way,all they say is genesis2 is a more detailed discription,REALLY but the days are still mismatched,so which one is correct?

but you religious people will still "stand by your man"

i can't believe the authors of the fictional bible didn't even catch that typo.


ANSWER---READ the bible before quoting scripture and make sure your glasses are on if you have bad eye sight then you will see the scripture that says in gen 2:4 This is the HISTORY of the Heavens and the earth when they were CREATED,in the day that the LORD GOD made the earth and the heavens.

Jeanebean ---- this was on one of your many many threads you have made on here to totally discredit GOD,HIS WORD AND CHRISTIANS who have had experiences with GOD ALMIGHTY, are sensible peaple,some very well educated,some in top jobs,professors ect ect,who are far from insane as you put it, all the way through every thread,
as you say we are fake ect and you have the gall to slander,call us liers,say there is no proof of what we have said time and time again,like i said before you are a instigator and thats because you want others to believe what you preach on here ALL THE RUBBISH that comes out of your mouth,you are very argumentive about what ANYONE says to you.

I dont really know what you are doing on religous threads to be honest because you know nothing at all about it,before you come at anyone about what they believe, you need to take a long hard look at what you are on about in enlightenment ect because this is not a good path to take which it shows for what it really is which i will say again TOTAL RUBBISH.
Here is one of your sayings from another thread are you ready--
Nothing gets past my Bull-Sht meter. I don't care what kind of "authority" it claims to be

So how come RUBBISH GOT PAST, Enlightenment tarrot cards ect?

ARE YOU READY FOR ANOTHER OF YOUR QUOTES---It all goes back to the British, the f uck ing queen and the Catholic Church. IE the POPE.

BLAME HIM, BLAME THE MONARCHY.

And now they had a royal wedding and they are breeding

again.

(They are shape shifting reptilians you know.) NOT NICE JEANEBEAN.

CAN i ask do you like anyone or is it just your self?
CAN i ask is there only you who is right all the time?
CAN i ask is there only you who studies?
CAN i ask is there only you who wants evidence of anything that is said to you?

But may i add while ime at it,yes i think i will, HOW come you believe what you do believe, all that RUBBISH you keep harping on about on a religous sight at that,because it all comes from man,books internet ect ect,

CAN i ask where is your PROOF?

NEARLY done---ON one of your many many threads you said---NO where in the new testament does it say GOD is the GOD of Abraham--- you make out you know the bible put your glasses back on again and take a look in the NEW TESAMENT in matthew 22:32 by the way this means chapter 22 verse 32 I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM THE GOD OF ISAAC AND THE GOD OF JACOB
GOD IS NOT THE GOD OF THE DEAD BUT OF THE LIVING.

Yes its there if you care to eat your words,its about time you stopped stirring on these threads if you dont want to listen on a religous thread then its quite an easy solution,DONT.

And get your facts right you said i am not very elegant then you call me lady make your mind up

PS TO Rkisit go and see your option he will test your eyes then you can read properly or maybe you could get a large print bible then you might get things right in the future

PPS the darkness is always shown up for its lies when the truth is spoken.

PPPS I am not here to bit and bat with you either,its just rediculas the answers you give to peaple who are putting there piont of view accross of what they believe, you try to rip to pieces with your tounge,NEWS for you it wont work! because we have the truth we have peace in JESUS.Night night and GOD BLESS TO YOU

Saying god bless as if it is a final word, cracks me up...lol

There is no god to bless with so those are hollow words anyway, meaning they only mean something to the brainwashed who say them.

I rest my case.

Properly quoting:


That was discussed. MsHarmony defended that more succinctly.



Anyone who questions religion is (obviously) an instigator. It takes courage to stand up to what so many others believe. Our argument (yes, I'll lump myself over to her side on this ... I'm surprised you haven't already) is that you are NOT a sensible person if you believe you've had experiences with the God of the Bible. It doesn't matter how well-educated you are, where you work, what you do outside of that career or anything else ... insanity is still insanity. Many people from all walks of life have been placed in sanitariums due to different types of psychological illnesses ... a few of them Christians who've killed people in the name of God.



You go to church to hear preaching and that isn't sufficient enough for you not to preach to others. In that same regard , you'll just have to deal with hearing others preach. Its called "freedom of speech". As its been explained before, there is no requirement of "must be religious" to post here. Freedom of speech. So long as you are not being personally attacked, you cannot tell people they cannot post here. Ideals CAN be attacked here, which is, if anything, the argument JB "instigated".



I think a few of us have answered that by joining in the discussion.



The text of the original post for this thread states Christianity as an Abrahamic religion (partaining to the God of Abraham).



The same could be said in reverse. If you're going to be offended by someone questioning your ideals, don't read.



Apparently, not always.



Its called "debate". If I don't agree with something, I'm going to question it. If the answers aren't logical, I'm going to argue the point. If we believed you had the truth, this discussion would not be occurring. Anyone just saying they're telling the truth doesn't make it fact ...

Don't take this as a personal attack, but can you please try to type slower and make more sense when you post? It would be very helpful. If not, at least try to proofread once you're done?

Well, like all things in this world we have to accept the bad with the good. Religion makes people feel superior and special so they have to accept all that I wrote and more as the bad of the good they feel. At least when you are grown you understand accepting the bad with the good.

And Abra I am not vehement or even angry. I have learned that there are those who take advantage of niceness. With them you have to be blunt, harsh and straight to the point. Because when you tell a Christian that you accept their right to have their religion and are glad they have it, then you will be saying prayers in your schools and praying at all public functions, listening to god bless yous as if that is a good thing all day long, your sex life will be at the mercy of others, your rights to a happy life will be only if you live the same as the Christians, etc....

You just cannot be kind to some because they take advantage.

I don't really blame them too much at this level though, our country has spoiled them terribly. They really do believe they are "right" and everyone else is wrong and our government endorsed it for far too long.

what are the alternatives to some of the concerns in this thread?

if there is an issue with people who think they are 'right',,should we encourage people to walk around in uncertainty instead?

are christians exclusively guilty of 'right' thinking? (these threads would be proof enough of the answer to that)


if you have a majority, and that majority has values and morals like everyone else, should that majority be discounted if their values in any way mirror what religion has taught? because religion teaches alot of pretty sound principles that Im sure existed even BEFORE there was a bible....



I keep hearing here that christians are spoiled by the government and IM just curious what information backs up such a conclusion as opposed to the conlusion that we live in a country where people are supposed to be heard through the vote and those votes shape the country (with or without religion)?

Oh and the spoiled will not be able to see the advantages they have had no matter how many times you explain it over and over and over.

msharmony

I don't really understand the nature of your questions.

I think since Christianity is the majority in this country, they (Christians) do seem to be privileged and maybe spoiled. One would not have any success running for an important public office if they were openly pagan or Muslim for example. A politician had better be Christian, a family oriented person, belong to a church, etc.

Until recently, all holidays like Christmas were 'Christian' holidays. And mention of a holiday associated with another religion was a foreign concept.

Until they lose it.

Look how they cried and screamed when prayer to Jesus was no longer allowed in public schools.

so do you believe that is a natural tendency in a 'democracy'? Dont you think that the majority, by this explanation, will be spoiled so long as the system affords the majority the right to make the rules?

is there an alternative system that would be more 'fair'?

someone would have to 'win' so to speak, if its not the majority, what would be a fair way to ensure that?

IF I live with four roomates, and all but one of us want certain things in the house,,,and therefore set to decorate it as such, are we being 'spoiled' or are we doing what would be expected and what that one sole person also wants to be able to do,,,,have it the way we wish to have it

is that being 'spoiled', is what Im asking?

is it being 'spoiled' because some didnt get what they wanted and others did, and if the others finally got what they wanted would they be equally guilty of being 'spoiled'?

Absolutely and the manipulators who wrote the bible knew that people would resist so they made sure to make Christian believe they would be "persecuted" so it is a fulfillment of prophecy to boot...lol

Or the ten commandments being taken away from the public square.......

To take that further, line up everything that is happening directly along with the book, and you have a self fulfilling prophecy that we supposedly can't stop. It's all genius isn't it?

there is no doctrine that states that children have to pray in school so I would imagine there were probably plenty of 'them' who were supportive of the 'fairness' suggested at such a removal (at a mandatory level, individuals can still pray at school if its not on the clock, so to speak)


so yeah, SOME of 'them' probably cried and screamed, but pretty much it blew over to be a non issue and most of 'them' continued to abide by the laws of the land

down right prophetic,,,lol,, predicting 2000 years worth of cultural and human reaction,,,,,

I think you underestimate the power of those running the show, INCLUDING religion.

not at all, I understand the power of prophecy fairly well,,,