a fair question....
the christian god.... is he a loving god or the creator of evil ??

maybe the answer is in the holy bible..the word of the christian god...

The christian bible god not only admits he performs evil acts, but he takes credit for creating evil......

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Exodus 32:14
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Joshua 23:15
Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things.

Judges 9:23
Then God sent an evil spirit

1 Samuel 16:14
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

2 Samuel 12:11
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house

1 Kings 9:9
...therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.

1 Kings 14:10
Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam
2 Kings 6:33 ...Behold, this evil is of the LORD;

2 Kings 21:12 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.

2 Kings 22:16 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place

2 Chronicles 34:24 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof...

Nehemiah 13:18 Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city?

Jeremiah 4:6 Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.

Jeremiah 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people

Jeremiah 11:11 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them

Jeremiah 25:29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil

Jeremiah 35:17 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them:

Jeremiah 44:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Ye have seen all the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, and upon all the cities of Judah

Jeremiah 45:5 ...behold, I will bring evil upon all flesh, saith the LORD:

Jeremiah 49:37 ...I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them:

Micah 1:12 .... evil came down from the LORD

Micah 2:3 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, against this family do I devise an evil

“Exodus 22:29-30 "You shall not delay to offer from the fullness of your harvest and from the outflow of your presses. The first-born of your sons you shall give to me. You shall do likewise with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall be with its dam; on the eighth day you shall give it to me.”

Ezekiel 20:25-26 Moreover I gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not have life; and I defiled them through their very gifts in making them offer by fire all their first-born, that I might horrify them; I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.”

there are too many verses to address here but my suggestion would be sitting down with a good concordance(strongs, perhaps) and reaching into the actual translation of these verses

I think you are taking from the king james version which contains many ambigous translations,, for instance the translation often referred to as 'evil' also means 'calamity'

..which would make more sense in your first verse where OPPOSITES seem to be being compared and evil is not the opposite of peace

Beyond the bible if we evaluate the facts something disturbing comes up, God created everything. That means God also created Evil if God created good.

That means god is Good and God is evil. God plays both sides of the fence.

That is a fact.

hmm, didnt notice that in genesis

was it the eighth day that God 'created'

'good and evil'?

is the christian god loving or evil? it is a fair question which makes me think of a german concentration camp guard escorting jews to their deaths in the gas chambers of aushwitz in 1944. among the jews is a family with two young children the ages of his own. now he's a "good christian" who takes his family to church every sunday and otherwise teaches his kids the "family values" that all "good christians" teach their kids. here's where it gets weird for me. this nazi will be able to ask forgiveness for his sins committed during the war, will live his life out, enjoy his grandchildren and great grandchildren and when he dies will dwell in heavenly bliss forever. the jewish family having had their lives cut mercilessly short, however, because they do not believe precisely as this scumbag believes, will burn in hell for eternity. that's just sick people. a loving god? not by my definition of loving. evil? if ever evil existed this is it.

evil would be to not permit EVERYONE the chance to repent and select which offenders should be given the opportunity to and which offenders shouldnt

whom would we choose to not have that choice?

would the murderers not have a chance at redemption? because they killed the mortal flesh?

would the critics not have a chance at redemption? Because they killed someones 'spirit'?

where would we place our priority? who are we to decide where God should place his?

makes sense to me that a God concerned with the eternal soul would place that above the temporary mortal existence,,,

I think common sense would dictate that any loving God would never allow one to be tortured forever without mercy, I don't care what they may have done here. That's outright cruel, and a God that did that would not be loving at all. It's even worse, when one can live a good life here, do good things for people, love others, and STILL be tortured anyway because they didn't believe like some others did.

It doesn't pass the smell test.

perhaps, perhaps not

time will tell

does anything truly warrant a reward of eternal paradise?

,,,I couldnt say,,,yet there it is being offered,,

some people can talk themselves into anything (sounds like yet another definition of religion) ... Webster's definition of evil is "a great misfortune, a disaster" so god makes disasters and misfortunes and that isn't evil???

That's to say nothing of the fact, that the Bible itself even says as you quoted that God creates evil. There's no way you can argue with that, it's right there in plain English.

yep, EVIL now means many things, including calamity

EVIL is often discussed in this thread as a moral attribute as well

so yes, God is involved in calamities(evil),

no, God doesnt create the moral attribute (evil)

The Bible disagrees with you........

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

seriously people,,lol

the BIBLE was not written in english, ,it is TRANSLATED into english
so nothing in the bible was in 'plain english'

the translations are ambiguously applied and often need to be further researched to understand their most likely 'contextual' defintion

Ra ah is the original HEBREW Word that can be translated in a few ways (just like the english words can be)

one meaning is "evil."


it also means "wicked," "bad," "hurt," "harm," "ill," "sorrow," "mischief," "displeased," "adversity," "affliction," "trouble," "calamity," "grievous," "misery," and "trouble."

this is ONE TRANSLATION of the original HEBREW

the KJV states this, other bibles translate it as calamity,, which makes more sense in the CONTEXT of the rest of the verse,,,

But it still says he creates them, you can't ignore that.

yes the KJV says that, and I dont feel it makes sense contextually

other translations say something different that is in line with one meaning of the word and in line with the context of the verse,,,

the very reason I suggest a concordance is because of how ambiguously some of the hebrew can be interpreted to english,,its best to read a little about the VARIOUS potential meanings and apply it based upon what is contextually sensible and what is in line with the rest of the message of the bible,,,

Nah, it's best to ignore facts and hold onto hatred and bigotry...

well i hardly doubt that a german concentration camp guard would march

jews (half of them wernt jewish)and kids into the showers/ovens and

then all

of a sudden become a born again christian. when ss stood for satanic

service.did you ever hear of operation paperclip.where that the us

government secretly brought back nazis and integrated them into

nazi/nasa.no people like that are evil and that is why we have hell.

GOD created satan so that we would know good from evil.if there were

no evil then how would you know the difference between good and bad.

I am still glad all of us IMPERFECT humans have the opportunity to learn and grow and improve and REPENT of past errors, no matter how 'heinous' our mortal mind may consider them

Sorry volant but your quote makes no sense. Would you please choose the proper word (to replace evil)with the most relavent word consistent with the context of your message. And if you can't find a word with a better fit - perhaps you can also replace good with something else, and then just keep replacing words until your message is clear to everybody who has concordance and the desire to put together a puzzle with a meaninful picture to the individual.

Thanks for your assistance.