This is an interesting alternative that makes sense to me. It claims to be the truth about who wrote the new Testament.

Now, if you can momentarily, for this discussion, suspend your strong religious belief, you may be able to consider an alternative story of how the New Testament came to be, who and why it was written.

There is a very exclusive club in history who knew this ‘great secret’ and in this circle were those religious, political and literary leaders who knew the truth about Jesus but did not want anyone else to know. These ‘secret societies’ still exist today.

The True Authorship Of The New Testament by Abelard Reuchlin, first printed in the United States in 1979. It talked about an inner circle or inner ring, the most exclusive club in history, who knew the ‘Great Secret’. In this circle were those religious, political and literary leaders, who knew the truth about Jesus, but did not want anyone else to know.

This book came to the conclusion that the Gospels were an invention designed to manufacture a new prison-religion. The names the family and others who wrote the New Testament and the codes that they used to “sign” their authorship. One of these codes, interestingly is the number 40. Forty was also represented by the letter M. The letter M is very significant to this Brotherhood still today and we see it everywhere in the symbol of the McDonalds fast food chain.

Today, large corporations use Brotherhood symbolism in their logos and names. M means Mary or Madonna, who means Semiramis. The wealth of evidence in Reuchlin’s book, much of it very complex and dealing with esoteric mathmatical codes, is extremely compelling. I do recommend you try to get hold of a copy if you want the full details. The opening paragraph encapsulates its findings:

“The New Testament, the Church and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso (pronounced Peso) family, who were Roman aristocrats. The New Testament and all the characters in it - Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, John the Baptist - all are fictional. The Pisos created the story and the characters; they tied the story to a specific time and place in history; and they connected it with some peripheral actual people, such as the Herods, Gamaliel, the Roman procurators, etc. But Jesus and everyone involved with him were created (that is fictiotional!) characters.”2

THE BABYLONIAN BROTHERHOOD

Lucius Calpurnius Piso, the head of the family, was married to the great granddaughter of Herod the Great. According to Reuchlin’s research, Piso, who used many pseudonyms, produced his ‘Ur Marcus’, the first version of the Gospel of Mark, in about 60AD.

One of the friends who encouraged him was the famous Roman writer, Annaeus Seneca, but it seems that both of them were killed by the Emperor Nero in the year 65. With this, the name Piso disappears from Roman history and doesn’t reappear until 138 AD when Piso’s grandson, Antoninus, became emperor.

But from this point the family are mostly known as the Antonines, not the Pisos. In the 73 years between the death of father Piso and the emergence of Antoninus, the foundations for Christianity were written and proclaimed under assumed names. After the death of his father at the hands of Nero, Piso’s son, Anus, who used a number of names, including Cestius Gallus, was made governor of Syria. This gave him command over the Roman army in Judea. He was involved in the Judean revolt in 66 AD which Vespasian was sent to Judea to quell. Emperor Nero was assassinated in 68 AD by an agent of Piso according to Reuchlin. This certainly makes sense if Nero killed his father.

With this, the Piso clan threw their power and manipulation behind Vespasian and he became Emperor of Rome in 69 AD. A year later the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, stole the temple treasures, including it is claimed the Ark of the Covenant, and apparently took them back to Rome where they entered the secret society underground. This underground was nothing less than the Babylonian Brotherhood.

Gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John

Reuchlin says that Anus Calpurnius Piso then wrote three of the Gospels in the following order:

The Gospel of Matthew (70-75 AD);
the updated Mark (75-80);
and, with the help of the Roman writer and statesman, Pliny the Younger, the updated Luke (85-90).

The Gospel of John, the work of Anus’s son, Justus, followed in 105.3 As Reuchlin says, ‘Jesus’ was a composite figure and the stories include elements of the tales of Joseph in Egypt and other Old Testament characters, plus some Essene writings and characteristics of various Pagan gods. This is precisely what the evidence I have documented confirms.

The several Josephs in the story are all the creation of Piso and part of the code. The letters in the name Piso translate in Hebrew as Yud, Vov; Samech, Fey, and they spell the name, Joseph.

Another code Piso used for himself in the stories is the number 60. Reuchlin points out the many similarities between the Jesus story and the one of the Old Testament character, Joseph, which Piso used as a foundation: Joseph had 12 brothers, Jesus 12 disciples; Joseph was sold for 20 pieces of silver, Jesus for 30 pieces of silver (inflation); brother Judah suggests the sale of Joseph, Judas sells Jesus; Joseph is in Egypt where the first born are killed, Jesus and family flee to Egypt to avoid the slaying of male children. Piso uses his four sons as the disciples, John (Julius), James (Justus), Simon-Peter (Proculus), and Alexander (Andrew).4 Julius, Justus and Proculus, would go on to write some later New Testament texts.

Prophecies:

Piso makes Jesus fulfil a number of Old Testament prophecies, particularly those of Isaiah. Reuchlin says that the Pisos made changes and additions to some Old Testament texts also, and wrote most of the 14 Old Testament books known as the Apocrypha. These included Esdras, 1 Maccabbees, Judith, Tobit, Bel and the Dragon.5 The Pisos were Stoics (hence Stoical) and the Stoics believed that people were motivated by, and controllable through, the use of fear and hope6 (the very methods of the Babylonian Brotherhood). What better way of describing the religions which have been spawned by the Old and New Testaments?

Very interesting, but false.

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FROM CHAPTER I (The True Authorship of the New Testament)

"The New Testament, the Church, and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso
(pronounced Peso w/ long "E") family (a), who were Roman aristocrats. The New Testament and
all the characters in it--Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, and
John the Baptist--are all fictional."
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This is what the piso family said. BUT wait, I have more. I have actual evidence of Jesus. Of course no evidence of his holiness or being the only begotten child of God. But I have evidence of his existence. And with that, this clearly shows that the Piso family is lying, for if he truly existed, how could THEY have made him up out of their imagination?

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Let's begin our inquiry with a passage that historian Edwin Yamauchi calls "probably the most important reference to Jesus outside the New Testament."{4} Reporting on Emperor Nero's decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed Rome in A.D. 64, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote:

Nero fastened the guilt . . . on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of . . . Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome. . . .{5}

What all can we learn from this ancient (and rather unsympathetic) reference to Jesus and the early Christians? Notice, first, that Tacitus reports Christians derived their name from a historical person called Christus (from the Latin), or Christ. He is said to have "suffered the extreme penalty," obviously alluding to the Roman method of execution known as crucifixion. This is said to have occurred during the reign of Tiberius and by the sentence of Pontius Pilatus. This confirms much of what the Gospels tell us about the death of Jesus.
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Flavius Josephus

Another manifestation of Anus Piso was Flavius Josephus, the writer I have quoted once or twice. The reason that Piso, as Josephus, and his granddaughter’s husband Pliny the Younger, do not mention Jesus in their official writings is because at the time it simply would not have been credible to do so. It was only with the passage of time as the true origin of ‘Jesus’ was lost that the stories became accepted as ‘fact’.

The official history of Josephus is that he was a Judean descended from Hasmonean royalty. He fought against the Romans and although his friends committed suicide when the revolt went pear-shaped, he gave himself up and was spared. More than that, we are told he was housed in Rome by the emperors for 30 years while he wrote books on Jewish ‘history’ and then married his granddaughter into the Roman aristocracy.

Oh, do come on. Josephus was the Roman aristocrat, Anus Calpurnius Piso, and together with his sons and Pliny the Younger, they wrote the Gospels and the rest of the New Testament.

Pliny wrote a number of the epistles (letters) under the name St Ignatius, and this same group, under various names, were the early church ‘fathers’. And who was to turn this Roman invention into the vast prison-religion it was to become? A Roman emperor in the same Babylonian Brotherhood as the Pisos, called Constantine the Great.

What was the vehicle for doing this? The Roman Church based in Rome! Geoffrey Higgins in his epic work, Anacalypsis, shows how Rome was created as a new Babylon. No wonder Christianity is so awash with Babylonian symbols. The whole thing was a set up to create yet another religion to entrap the human mind, and the hierarchy of the Christian Church today know all this!

The Church elite have always known this because they are part of the secret society stream which created the myth called Christianity.

Cynical lies like the Turin Shroud, which has been connected with the Knights Templar secret society, have been invented to perpetuate the propaganda.

The force which invented Jesus and Christianity is the same force which still controls the world today.

For instance, the Roman College of Architects was a forerunner of today’s Freemasons, only the name has changed. The Romans used the same symbols of the square and compass and so on. A temple used by this college in Pompeii was lost under the eruptions of Vesuvius in 71 AD and excavators have recovered from the temple a hexagram ‘Star of David’, a skull and a black and white tracing board first used by the Dionysian Artificers.7 All these symbols are used by today’s Freemasons.

there you go... getting some evidence now... thats what us non believers need to see!

Another important source of evidence about Jesus and early Christianity can be found in the letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan. Pliny was the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. In one of his letters, dated around A.D. 112, he asks Trajan's advice about the appropriate way to conduct legal proceedings against those accused of being Christians.{8} Pliny says that he needed to consult the emperor about this issue because a great multitude of every age, class, and sex stood accused of Christianity.{9}

At one point in his letter, Pliny relates some of the information he has learned about these Christians:

They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food--but food of an ordinary and innocent kind

There you have it Cowboy. You have not spent even a single second considering an alternative. Not one.

I've heard this idea before and I've read claims that there is actual evidence to support this theory. I haven't looked into it deeply, but I imagine that it most certainly could be the truth.

It's not important to me personally because I have already concluded as Isaac Newton had, that Jesus could not possibly have been the son of the God of the Old Testament.

As you well know, I have constructed a very strong hypothesis that Jesus may have very well been a misunderstood mystic Jew, most likely educated in the ways of Mahayana Buddhism.

The problem I have with the stories being entirely fictional is that it seems unlikely to me that a person making up such a story would have contradicted the Old Testament so radically. It seems to me that they could have had a fictional Jesus supporting the directives of the Old Testament more strongly.

This is why I favor the "Jesus was a Buddhist" theory. If Jesus was a Buddhist, then this explains perfectly why he taught the moral values and behaviors that he taught. Those ideals were probably fresh in the minds of the people (assuming that Jesus was a real person who was wrongfully crucified). So the author of the New Testament had to work "within" that framework. They couldn't very well change the message of Jesus radically to fit their purpose. There purpose obviously being to use the rumors of Jesus to prop up the very doctrine that Jesus taught against.

The "idea" that Jesus might have been "The Christ" (or a prophesied messiah) came up, and they took that idea and ran with it.

This makes perfect sense to me.

The idea that someone would have fabricated this story entirely from scratch just doesn't seem to fit very well, IMHO.

Although, I guess my scenario is quite similar.

In other words, a man similar to the character of Jesus may have actually lived, taught against the ways of the Torah, and been wrongfully crucified causing MUCH CONTROVERSY.

Then the Piso family too those "rumors" about that man, and created their story. In other words, the actual Jesus that is portrayed within the New Testament was indeed a totally fictional character. But that character was indeed inspired by a man who had actually lived, taught against the ways of the Torah, and was indeed crucified for his views.

In other words, I can see where the Jesus of the New Testament is, in a sense a fictional character, but at the same time the inspiration for that fictional character may have come from an actual event involving another man.

Does that makes sense?

In other words, the Piso theory and my theory could be simultaneously true without any real conflict.

Yes the Piso family made up a story,... but at the same time, their story was sparked by a real and unwarranted crucifixion of an innocent.

It would seem to me that they would have had to have some active "rumors" to feed on. I mean, who's going to believe a story like that, that just pops into existence from nowhere?

But if people were already talking about rumors of an innocent man who had been wrongfully crucified, then their story would become instantly popular since people would already be hungry to know more about this man.

That's why I think that the event of a wrongful crucifixion of an innocent man was probably actually involved.

just so you know, Vesuvius erupted in 79AD, not 71AD...

It's not false by my own speculations. It's false cause I have shown evidence of it otherwise. I gave it a deep thought and possibility. Till I found knowledge that points differently. So please try again.

Jesus was first documented preaching at about an age of 12 following the chronological order of the bible. In what time of that 12 years would he have learned about Mahayana Buddhism? And knew enough of it to preach it? At the age 12 my friend. He was born with the knowledge he needed already, and that wasn't Mahayana Buddhism.

MITHRA

The Pisos and Pliny introduced into their stories all the symbols of the Sun religion and Babylonian Brotherhood myths. They locate their Saul/Paul in Tarsus in Asia Minor (now Turkey), the chief city of the Cilicians. This just happens to be a major centre for the Mithra Sun religion and it was the Cilicians who had taken this cult to Rome, from where it spread throughout the empire. Asia Minor was also a region which followed the cult of Dionysus.

Both were symbolic Sun gods, born on December 25th, who died so our sins could be forgiven. Everything Christians believe about Jesus, the Romans and Persians believed about Mithra. Sunday was the sacred day for Mithraists because he was a Sun God and they called this The Lord’s Day.

Dionysus was born to a virgin mother, and he was known as: the Vine, Our Lord, the Saviour, the Judge of the Dead, the Deliverer, the Born Again and the only begotten Son of God.

Above the head of Dionysus were the words: “I am Life, Death, and Resurrection, I hold the winged crown (the Sun).”18 The writer, H. G. Wells, pointed out that many of the phrases used by Paul for Jesus were the same as those used by the followers of Mithra. The Liturgy of Mithra is the Liturgy of Jesus. When Paul says: “They drank from the spiritual rock and that rock was Christ” (I Corinthians 10:4), he was using exactly the same words found in the scriptures of Mithra. Only the names were changed. In the Gospels, Peter became the Christian ‘rock’ on whom the new church would be built.

The Vatican Hill in Rome was said to be sacred to Peter, but this place was also claimed, much earlier, to be sacred to Mithra and many Mithric remains have been found there! The Piso clan turned Mithra into Myth-ra - Christianity.

Where do you get your information? Maybe it erupted more than once. Maybe my dates (in the book they came from) are wrong. I personally have no way of knowing.

I'd like to keep this on-topic if possible.

Cowboy, you claim that this assertion about the Piso family is necessarily false because you claim to have 'evidence' that Jesus actually exist and thus they could not have just made him up out of their imagination.

However, it should also be crystal clear that if they were indeed the authors of the New Testament, they were extremely KEEN on the importance of making cases for their characters.

In other words, they could very well have used a particular person and historical event to create their character of Jesus.

In other words, they probably did use stories and rumors of real people to create their Characters. By doing so they would create a far more believable story.

All that is really being suggested his here that the actual characters as portrayed precisely in the New Testament never existed. But that doesn't mean that other people may have existed that had done things that sparked those characters.

For example you could write a story about Abracadabra, and make him sound like he's a character who posted ideas that Jesus was a Mahayana Buddhist. But then you could go on to claim that Abracadabra also healed sick people and brought them back from the dead. And when Abracadabra died he rose from the dead and revised his friends before finally ascending to heaven.

So someone reads your story about Abracadabra. They say, "We don't believe this story!" Then people say, "Oh No! Abracadabra really existed, here LOOK! We have achieves of this man Posting on Mingle!"

He actually EXISTED FOR REAL!

So?

Does that mean that everything that you wrote about me must then be TRUE?

No, of course not. The Abracadabra that you created in your stories was a fictional character, even though you made it appear to have something to do with me.

Well, the very same thing could have happened with the story of Jesus. Some of the claims made about Jesus probably did happen to some poor fellow, including the crucifixion!

But that doesn't mean that the entire "Character" of Jesus is then automatically perfectly true and correct in every verbatim detail.

So you have no way of saying that these claims are false.

You simply cannot know.

Abra,

The people who actually knew how to write back in those days were few and far between. They also stole a lot of their stories and ideas from older writings. Its not clear that they would have known that 2000 years into the future, the Bible Cannon would have so many contradictions.

I think what they were doing was trying to combine as many religions as possible in order to create a one world religion. Even back then the powers that be were pushing for a one world religion just as they are today.

You've shown "evidence"?

And here I thought you were working under the assumption that everything is "faith-based".

Besides, I've already shown where your so-called 'evidence' is no evidence at all.

Yes it is false for the Piso family states that Jesus and everything in the bile NEVER even existed. They claim to have created Jesus and everything inside of their heads with their imagination. But yet, we have documented PROOF of the existence of Jesus outside of the bible. So obviously they are lying about creating Jesus as he were a fictional character. I may not be able to provide evidence/facts of Jesus' divinity. But I can supply exact factual evidence of his existence. Which flies right in the face of the Piso family, for they claim to have totally created Jesus 100%.

The compilation of the Bible was yet another farce. If you ask most people about the Gospel writers, they will usually tell you that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were the disciples of Jesus. That’s the impression people get and are encouraged to get, but it’s not true and not even the Church claims that officially.

The Gospels and other books of the Bible are only those chosen by the hierarchy of the Christian Church from those written by the Pisos and Pliny and the many copies and offshoots which followed.

Many other texts were available that were just as valid, often very much more so, than those which made it into the ‘Holy Book’. Texts were rejected, destroyed or rewritten to fit the official line and the philosopher, Celsus, wrote of the church leaders in the third century:

Some more evidence of Jesus' existence.


Evidence from Josephus

Perhaps the most remarkable reference to Jesus outside the Bible can be found in the writings of Josephus, a first century Jewish historian. On two occasions, in his Jewish Antiquities, he mentions Jesus. The second, less revealing, reference describes the condemnation of one "James" by the Jewish Sanhedrin. This James, says Josephus, was "the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ."{14} F.F. Bruce points out how this agrees with Paul's description of James in Galatians 1:19 as "the Lord's brother."{15} And Edwin Yamauchi informs us that "few scholars have questioned" that Josephus actually penned this passage.{16}

As interesting as this brief reference is, there is an earlier one, which is truly astonishing. Called the "Testimonium Flavianum," the relevant portion declares:

About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared.