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Topic: Who wrote the New Testament?
Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Mon 03/28/11 04:51 PM
This is the Prophecy of those who willingly ignore Yahshua's name and insult him with thier own. Heb 10:26-31 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says Yahweh. And again, "Yahweh will judge His people." 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living Elohim. NKJV This is why you see me use Elohim, Master, Messiah, Yahweh and Yahshua... Blessings..Miles Well according to some Christians, Moses Law is no longer in effect after the new one came into effect. So why worry about the old laws?? Also the term "Elohim" is plural which means "Gods" There were more than one of those running around back then I suspect. They may have been "fearful" alien beings who were mistook for "Gods." Yes true. The laws of Moses was in the old covenant, which has been completed. Then cowboy throw out Pauls writings and Peters for sure for both spoke of keepng the law in Acts 10 Peter and Acts 21 Paul.. so they must be liars. James 1:21-27 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does. 26 If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion before Yahshua and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. NKJV Shalom. its up to u none else..Miles Mose's laws are not in the new testament/new covenant. So you reject Pauls and Peters writings.. because both said they upheld and kept the law.. way after Yahshua's death.. Shalom..Miles Please show me where Paul and Peter said to keep MOSES'S LAWS. Don't show me where some of their teachings may have been similar, but show me specifically where we are told to keep MOSES'S LAWS. Matt 23:1-4 Then Yahshua spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. NKJV 1 John 2:3-6 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of Yahweh is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. NKJV Is Yahshua our example or not? Did he keep the law perfestly and did he tell us to also? Matt 5:48 48 Be ye therefore perfect , even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect . KJV Go ahead refuse Yahweh's word and say Yahshua was not perfect.. Say Yahshua is a liar. Just as John says people who says such a thing are.. not me Cowboy.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Mon 03/28/11 04:55 PM
Cowboy, I hear you. It is amazing that some people will quote the Bible without having read it. If you are talking to me.. I can quote scripyuire because it lives in me. almost like i have memorized it in 40 years.. Blessings..Miles

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 03/28/11 04:58 PM
Cowboy, I hear you. It is amazing that some people will quote the Bible without having read it. If you are talking to me.. I can quote scripyuire because it lives in me. almost like i have memorized it in 40 years.. Blessings..Miles Wow now there is an example of the living word.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 03/28/11 04:59 PM
I think I may start quoting some of my inner scripture.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/28/11 05:01 PM
This is the Prophecy of those who willingly ignore Yahshua's name and insult him with thier own. Heb 10:26-31 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says Yahweh. And again, "Yahweh will judge His people." 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living Elohim. NKJV This is why you see me use Elohim, Master, Messiah, Yahweh and Yahshua... Blessings..Miles Well according to some Christians, Moses Law is no longer in effect after the new one came into effect. So why worry about the old laws?? Also the term "Elohim" is plural which means "Gods" There were more than one of those running around back then I suspect. They may have been "fearful" alien beings who were mistook for "Gods." Yes true. The laws of Moses was in the old covenant, which has been completed. Then cowboy throw out Pauls writings and Peters for sure for both spoke of keepng the law in Acts 10 Peter and Acts 21 Paul.. so they must be liars. James 1:21-27 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does. 26 If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion before Yahshua and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. NKJV Shalom. its up to u none else..Miles Mose's laws are not in the new testament/new covenant. So you reject Pauls and Peters writings.. because both said they upheld and kept the law.. way after Yahshua's death.. Shalom..Miles Please show me where Paul and Peter said to keep MOSES'S LAWS. Don't show me where some of their teachings may have been similar, but show me specifically where we are told to keep MOSES'S LAWS. Matt 23:1-4 Then Yahshua spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. NKJV 1 John 2:3-6 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of Yahweh is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. NKJV Is Yahshua our example or not? Did he keep the law perfestly and did he tell us to also? Matt 5:48 48 Be ye therefore perfect , even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect . KJV Go ahead refuse Yahweh's word and say Yahshua was not perfect.. Say Yahshua is a liar. Just as John says people who says such a thing are.. not me Cowboy.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles Neither one of those tells us to keep Moses's laws. So why did you quote such verses?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/28/11 05:03 PM
This is the Prophecy of those who willingly ignore Yahshua's name and insult him with thier own. Heb 10:26-31 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says Yahweh. And again, "Yahweh will judge His people." 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living Elohim. NKJV This is why you see me use Elohim, Master, Messiah, Yahweh and Yahshua... Blessings..Miles Well according to some Christians, Moses Law is no longer in effect after the new one came into effect. So why worry about the old laws?? Also the term "Elohim" is plural which means "Gods" There were more than one of those running around back then I suspect. They may have been "fearful" alien beings who were mistook for "Gods." Yes true. The laws of Moses was in the old covenant, which has been completed. Then cowboy throw out Pauls writings and Peters for sure for both spoke of keepng the law in Acts 10 Peter and Acts 21 Paul.. so they must be liars. James 1:21-27 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does. 26 If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion before Yahshua and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. NKJV Shalom. its up to u none else..Miles Mose's laws are not in the new testament/new covenant. So you reject Pauls and Peters writings.. because both said they upheld and kept the law.. way after Yahshua's death.. Shalom..Miles Please show me where Paul and Peter said to keep MOSES'S LAWS. Don't show me where some of their teachings may have been similar, but show me specifically where we are told to keep MOSES'S LAWS. Matt 23:1-4 Then Yahshua spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. NKJV 1 John 2:3-6 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of Yahweh is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. NKJV Is Yahshua our example or not? Did he keep the law perfestly and did he tell us to also? Matt 5:48 48 Be ye therefore perfect , even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect . KJV Go ahead refuse Yahweh's word and say Yahshua was not perfect.. Say Yahshua is a liar. Just as John says people who says such a thing are.. not me Cowboy.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles Neither one of those tells us to keep Moses's laws. So why did you quote such verses? Go ahead refuse Yahweh's word and say Yahshua was not perfect.. Say Yahshua is a liar. Just as John says people who says such a thing are.. not me Cowboy.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles Why would I say that? God is perfect in every way. God has never and will never lie, why do you say such things? What in the world are you talking about?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 03/28/11 05:04 PM
Be ye therefore perfect , even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect . I'm perfect.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Mon 03/28/11 05:11 PM
Be ye therefore perfect , even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect . I'm perfect. If the Bible is the "Word of God" and God is telling us to be perfect as our Father which is in heaven is perfect, then clearly it is indeed possible to be perfect. Why would God himself suggest that we do something that is impossible? That would make no sense at all. By the way, if this came from Matthew in the New Testament, then these are supposedly the words of Jesus. So evidently Jesus expects that we can indeed be "perfect". So these Christians who claim that such a thing is impossible are spitting in the face of Jesus. I think I'm "perfect" too. At least in the sense of being as perfect as God. I may have physical defects like hemorrhoids. But obviously that has nothing to do with "spiritual perfection" In a spiritual sense I guess I am "perfect", at least in the way that Jesus must have necessarily been attempting to imply here. Why would he suggest that we could even be "perfect" if it's not possible? Clearly the Christians either don't trust Jesus to tell the truth, or they haven't been paying very close attention to what he actually taught.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Mon 03/28/11 05:13 PM
This is the Prophecy of those who willingly ignore Yahshua's name and insult him with thier own. Heb 10:26-31 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says Yahweh. And again, "Yahweh will judge His people." 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living Elohim. NKJV This is why you see me use Elohim, Master, Messiah, Yahweh and Yahshua... Blessings..Miles Well according to some Christians, Moses Law is no longer in effect after the new one came into effect. So why worry about the old laws?? Also the term "Elohim" is plural which means "Gods" There were more than one of those running around back then I suspect. They may have been "fearful" alien beings who were mistook for "Gods." Yes true. The laws of Moses was in the old covenant, which has been completed. Then cowboy throw out Pauls writings and Peters for sure for both spoke of keepng the law in Acts 10 Peter and Acts 21 Paul.. so they must be liars. James 1:21-27 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does. 26 If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion before Yahshua and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. NKJV Shalom. its up to u none else..Miles Mose's laws are not in the new testament/new covenant. So you reject Pauls and Peters writings.. because both said they upheld and kept the law.. way after Yahshua's death.. Shalom..Miles Please show me where Paul and Peter said to keep MOSES'S LAWS. Don't show me where some of their teachings may have been similar, but show me specifically where we are told to keep MOSES'S LAWS. Matt 23:1-4 Then Yahshua spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. NKJV 1 John 2:3-6 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of Yahweh is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. NKJV Is Yahshua our example or not? Did he keep the law perfestly and did he tell us to also? Matt 5:48 48 Be ye therefore perfect , even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect . KJV Go ahead refuse Yahweh's word and say Yahshua was not perfect.. Say Yahshua is a liar. Just as John says people who says such a thing are.. not me Cowboy.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles Neither one of those tells us to keep Moses's laws. So why did you quote such verses? Well Cowboy you love your tradition and u r hell bent it is right. I am not an unbeliever quoting and telling you. You will see only what you want to believe from tradition and thats what Yahshua Blasted was tradition not the law. He will come back for the same reason. What all of you believe that this is how you want to be honored. You live your life to the best of your ability and tell your children to live thier lives as you have. They tell you they will because you are thier Great Example. Then you die. You taught your children , do not smoke and go get drunk and sleep with hookers. now after your death your children say We love our father and want to be just like him. To honor him lets throw a Party where we will smoke as much as possible have a 5th of Jack Daniels for each and when we are really drunk we will Have a car full of Strippers over and Drink a Toast to you thier father/example and say we love you father we are doing the same as you are.. Thats the Chr-stian way of being a follower of thier savior.. what he did means we do the oppisite.. what bunch of liars. Shalom..Miles

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/28/11 05:13 PM
Be ye therefore perfect , even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect . I'm perfect. If the Bible is the "Word of God" and God is telling us to be perfect as our Father which is in heaven is perfect, then clearly it is indeed possible to be perfect. Why would God himself suggest that we do something that is impossible? That would make no sense at all. By the way, if this came from Matthew in the New Testament, then these are supposedly the words of Jesus. So evidently Jesus expects that we can indeed be "perfect". So these Christians who claim that such a thing is impossible are spitting in the face of Jesus. I think I'm "perfect" too. At least in the sense of being as perfect as God. I may have physical defects like hemorrhoids. But obviously that has nothing to do with "spiritual perfection" In a spiritual sense I guess I am "perfect", at least in the way that Jesus must have necessarily been attempting to imply here. Why would he suggest that we could even be "perfect" if it's not possible? Clearly the Christians either don't trust Jesus to tell the truth, or they haven't been paying very close attention to what he actually taught. We are perfect if we choose to be. We are made perfect through the blood of our Christ, Jesus.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/28/11 05:17 PM
This is the Prophecy of those who willingly ignore Yahshua's name and insult him with thier own. Heb 10:26-31 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says Yahweh. And again, "Yahweh will judge His people." 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living Elohim. NKJV This is why you see me use Elohim, Master, Messiah, Yahweh and Yahshua... Blessings..Miles Well according to some Christians, Moses Law is no longer in effect after the new one came into effect. So why worry about the old laws?? Also the term "Elohim" is plural which means "Gods" There were more than one of those running around back then I suspect. They may have been "fearful" alien beings who were mistook for "Gods." Yes true. The laws of Moses was in the old covenant, which has been completed. Then cowboy throw out Pauls writings and Peters for sure for both spoke of keepng the law in Acts 10 Peter and Acts 21 Paul.. so they must be liars. James 1:21-27 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does. 26 If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion before Yahshua and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. NKJV Shalom. its up to u none else..Miles Mose's laws are not in the new testament/new covenant. So you reject Pauls and Peters writings.. because both said they upheld and kept the law.. way after Yahshua's death.. Shalom..Miles Please show me where Paul and Peter said to keep MOSES'S LAWS. Don't show me where some of their teachings may have been similar, but show me specifically where we are told to keep MOSES'S LAWS. Matt 23:1-4 Then Yahshua spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. NKJV 1 John 2:3-6 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of Yahweh is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. NKJV Is Yahshua our example or not? Did he keep the law perfestly and did he tell us to also? Matt 5:48 48 Be ye therefore perfect , even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect . KJV Go ahead refuse Yahweh's word and say Yahshua was not perfect.. Say Yahshua is a liar. Just as John says people who says such a thing are.. not me Cowboy.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles Neither one of those tells us to keep Moses's laws. So why did you quote such verses? Well Cowboy you love your tradition and u r hell bent it is right. I am not an unbeliever quoting and telling you. You will see only what you want to believe from tradition and thats what Yahshua Blasted was tradition not the law. He will come back for the same reason. What all of you believe that this is how you want to be honored. You live your life to the best of your ability and tell your children to live thier lives as you have. They tell you they will because you are thier Great Example. Then you die. You taught your children , do not smoke and go get drunk and sleep with hookers. now after your death your children say We love our father and want to be just like him. To honor him lets throw a Party where we will smoke as much as possible have a 5th of Jack Daniels for each and when we are really drunk we will Have a car full of Strippers over and Drink a Toast to you thier father/example and say we love you father we are doing the same as you are.. Thats the Chr-stian way of being a follower of thier savior.. what he did means we do the oppisite.. what bunch of liars. Shalom..Miles You will see only what you want to believe from tradition and thats what Yahshua Blasted was tradition not the law. I follow no "tradition". I follow the word(s) of Jesus Christ to the best of my ability. Jesus is my lord, I obey him best I can.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 03/28/11 05:19 PM
Verily verily I say unto you, To be perfect is to be complete. How can we not be complete if we are complete in love? How can we not be complete if our heart is full of love? (some of my inner scripture...)

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/28/11 05:20 PM
Verily verily I say unto you, To be perfect is to be complete. How can we not be complete if we are complete in love? How can we not be complete if our heart is full of love? (some of my inner scripture...) Jesus is love.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Mon 03/28/11 05:23 PM
Cowboy wrote: We are perfect if we choose to be. We are made perfect through the blood of our Christ, Jesus. No, you can't use Jesus as a scapegoat Cowboy. Jesus taught people to be perfect long before he was crucified, and he didn't even remotely suggest that his blood was required to make anyone perfect. In fact, he said these words as part of his "Sermon on the Mount". So he wasn't suggesting to anyone that they need to be made perfect through any superstitious blood rituals. Nope. He was suggesting that people can indeed be perfect on their own. If you want to be perfect like your Father in heaven boy, you had better do it on your own, don't be thinking that you can get a free ride in the blood of Jesus. You need to do this on your own merit just as Jesus had suggested. You're just trying to twist the story into something gory again. There's nothing to be gained from that. Jesus was offering no one any free rides. You must be perfect on your own merit just as he taught.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 03/28/11 05:24 PM
God has no name.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/28/11 05:26 PM
Cowboy wrote: We are perfect if we choose to be. We are made perfect through the blood of our Christ, Jesus. No, you can't use Jesus as a scapegoat Cowboy. Jesus taught people to be perfect long before he was crucified, and he didn't even remotely suggest that his blood was required to make anyone perfect. In fact, he said these words as part of his "Sermon on the Mount". So he wasn't suggesting to anyone that they need to be made perfect through any superstitious blood rituals. Nope. He was suggesting that people can indeed be perfect on their own. If you want to be perfect like your Father in heaven boy, you had better do it on your own, don't be thinking that you can get a free ride in the blood of Jesus. You need to do this on your own merit just as Jesus had suggested. You're just trying to twist the story into something gory again. There's nothing to be gained from that. Jesus was offering no one any free rides. You must be perfect on your own merit just as he taught. Nope. He was suggesting that people can indeed be perfect on their own. If you want to be perfect like your Father in heaven boy, you had better do it on your own, don't be thinking that you can get a free ride in the blood of Jesus. You need to do this on your own merit just as Jesus had suggested. Yes we are to be perfect on our own. Sins don't just go away. You do a sin today, that sin continues with you into tomorrow. That is where the sacrifice Jesus made for us all comes into play. Jesus' blood purifies you of yesterdays sin(s) and henceforth you are to remain like a lamb without blemish.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Mon 03/28/11 05:27 PM
Verily verily I say unto you, To be perfect is to be complete. How can we not be complete if we are complete in love? How can we not be complete if our heart is full of love? (some of my inner scripture...) That's beautiful Jeannie. You should start writing these down and giving them index numbers, then you can post your own inner spirit scriptures complete with numbers. People seem to be impressed by things that are number. I think it's everyone's secret love of mathematics coming out.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/28/11 05:28 PM
Verily verily I say unto you, To be perfect is to be complete. How can we not be complete if we are complete in love? How can we not be complete if our heart is full of love? (some of my inner scripture...) That's beautiful Jeannie. You should start writing these down and giving them index numbers, then you can post your own inner spirit scriptures complete with numbers. People seem to be impressed by things that are number. I think it's everyone's secret love of mathematics coming out. It's already wrote down.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Mon 03/28/11 05:37 PM
Cowboy wrote: Yes we are to be perfect on our own. Sins don't just go away. You do a sin today, that sin continues with you into tomorrow. That is where the sacrifice Jesus made for us all comes into play. Jesus' blood purifies you of yesterdays sin(s) and henceforth you are to remain like a lamb without blemish. Sin are forgiven, not washed away by blood. That's just ancient superstition that goes clear back to the days of Greek mythology and probably even earlier.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/28/11 05:42 PM
Cowboy wrote: Yes we are to be perfect on our own. Sins don't just go away. You do a sin today, that sin continues with you into tomorrow. That is where the sacrifice Jesus made for us all comes into play. Jesus' blood purifies you of yesterdays sin(s) and henceforth you are to remain like a lamb without blemish. Sin are forgiven, not washed away by blood. That's just ancient superstition that goes clear back to the days of Greek mythology and probably even earlier. Sins being washed away by the blood is metaphorically speaking. Accepting Jesus then asking for forgiveness is where you truly receive forgiveness. And with being forgiveness one must repent from such sins. So again, we have to accept Jesus as lord and savior so he can forgive us of our sins and with forgiving us for our sins we then have to repent from such actions.