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This is a video released with the permission of the remaining family members. These people were targeted as innocent civilians killed only to make a political point. This is real terrorism. Not warfare, not self-defense and inexcusable. WARNING this is a very graphic video and not for the squeamish. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic41cz-VYxo It is tragic and happening on both sides, very very sad. It is NOT happening on both sides though. The Israelis do not attack civilians and they do not party when a family is killed. On the other hand, many Palestinian groups fire rockets into family buildings, blow up buses full of innocent people and hand out candy and throw public celebrations when they kill innocent people. It is disgusting and not the same on both sides. The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11 As the world watched in disbelief and asked the question... ...Mossad operatives were seen dancing with joy. A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11. The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1) Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2) "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3) http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html |
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and peace loving israelis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUQe0TeO0KY&feature=related neither side can claim clean hands,,,,, israelies never claimed that... they are just trying to survive... kind of hard when they are surrounded by idiots the op suggested israelis and their soldiers are NEVER murderous,,, I did not suggest that. The Israelis are good soldiers and will defend themselves with lethal force. The Israelis do not target civilians however and this is the difference. Hamas and others TRY to KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS on PURPOSE. Now do you get it? There have been problems and wars over a long time and the Israelis have made mistakes but they do not target civilians and moreover.... If the Palestinians stopped killing innocent people and sat down and negotiated with the Israelis instead, the conflict would be over and there would be peace. compared to the muslims, i would agree that they are not NEVER requires no comparison, it either happens or it NEVER happens HATE to get all tom cruise in a few good men on you but actually I posted 'It is tragic and happening on both sides, very very sad. ' and you posted 'It is NOT happening on both sides though. The Israelis do not attack civilians ' my position is that ISREALIS have and they DO also have times when they target civilians and when 'innocent lives' are taken, intentionally especially, it is tragic those pictures were supposedly of a family murdered in their home by ARABS my video was of a peaceful protester EXECUTED by Israelis why compare? how could we possibly? and how could we say one was anymore justified or less murderous than the other? |
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why compare? how could we possibly? and how could we say one was anymore justified or less murderous than the other? Well, one is murder of civilians and the other is warfare in self defense. It is like this. The Palestinians bomb, stab, murder innocent Israelis. Then the Israeli military targets and attacks armed Palestinian groups who are attempting to fire rockets into their cities. Sometimes there are civilian casualties but it is not intentional and only because the Palestinians cynically use their own people as human shields. What the Palestinians do is unethical and reprehensible. What the Israelis do is justifiable, humane and only in self defense. It is important to compare the two situations and to witness these innocent killings to the world. If you think that the Israelis target innocent civilians you are simply wrong and misrepresenting the facts. |
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msharmony
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Sun 03/13/11 03:14 PM
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why compare? how could we possibly? and how could we say one was anymore justified or less murderous than the other? Well, one is murder of civilians and the other is warfare in self defense. It is like this. The Palestinians bomb, stab, murder innocent Israelis. Then the Israeli military targets and attacks armed Palestinian groups who are attempting to fire rockets into their cities. Sometimes there are civilian casualties but it is not intentional and only because the Palestinians cynically use their own people as human shields. What the Palestinians do is unethical and reprehensible. What the Israelis do is justifiable, humane and only in self defense. It is important to compare the two situations and to witness these innocent killings to the world. If you think that the Israelis target innocent civilians you are simply wrong and misrepresenting the facts. did you watch the video? where were the rockets, where were the others using the boy as a shield? I think you just want to believe what you want to believe without using any type of objectivity |
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why compare? how could we possibly? and how could we say one was anymore justified or less murderous than the other? Well, one is murder of civilians and the other is warfare in self defense. It is like this. The Palestinians bomb, stab, murder innocent Israelis. Then the Israeli military targets and attacks armed Palestinian groups who are attempting to fire rockets into their cities. Sometimes there are civilian casualties but it is not intentional and only because the Palestinians cynically use their own people as human shields. What the Palestinians do is unethical and reprehensible. What the Israelis do is justifiable, humane and only in self defense. It is important to compare the two situations and to witness these innocent killings to the world. If you think that the Israelis target innocent civilians you are simply wrong and misrepresenting the facts. did you watch the video? where were the rockets, where were the others using the boy as a shield? I think you just want to believe what you want to believe without using common sense and objectivity |
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why compare? how could we possibly? and how could we say one was anymore justified or less murderous than the other? Well, one is murder of civilians and the other is warfare in self defense. It is like this. The Palestinians bomb, stab, murder innocent Israelis. Then the Israeli military targets and attacks armed Palestinian groups who are attempting to fire rockets into their cities. Sometimes there are civilian casualties but it is not intentional and only because the Palestinians cynically use their own people as human shields. What the Palestinians do is unethical and reprehensible. What the Israelis do is justifiable, humane and only in self defense. It is important to compare the two situations and to witness these innocent killings to the world. If you think that the Israelis target innocent civilians you are simply wrong and misrepresenting the facts. did you watch the video? where were the rockets, where were the others using the boy as a shield? I think you just want to believe what you want to believe without using common sense and objectivity dang, I changed the common sense part because I dont want to turn this offensive, my apology to the op for that one |
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why compare? how could we possibly? and how could we say one was anymore justified or less murderous than the other? Well, one is murder of civilians and the other is warfare in self defense. It is like this. The Palestinians bomb, stab, murder innocent Israelis. Then the Israeli military targets and attacks armed Palestinian groups who are attempting to fire rockets into their cities. Sometimes there are civilian casualties but it is not intentional and only because the Palestinians cynically use their own people as human shields. What the Palestinians do is unethical and reprehensible. What the Israelis do is justifiable, humane and only in self defense. It is important to compare the two situations and to witness these innocent killings to the world. If you think that the Israelis target innocent civilians you are simply wrong and misrepresenting the facts. did you watch the video? where were the rockets, where were the others using the boy as a shield? I think you just want to believe what you want to believe without using common sense and objectivity What?! The video you posted shows someone arresting someone who either stumbles or gets thrown to the ground. It has been doctored since the background is some music and people talking in the background obviously not from the actual event. Moreover there is nothing there to explain why the person is being arrested. Maybe they threw rocks or fired rockets or shot somebody. The video I posted in the original post shows five family members who were stalked and had their throats slit or were stabbed through the hearts in their home for no reason other than that they were Jewish and living in an area that the terrorists didn't like! I have been giving factual and accurate interpretations of the conflict while you have been trying to equate murdering people with military self defense. I am confident that other intelligent readers will understand the difference. dang, I changed the common sense part because I dont want to turn this offensive, my apology to the op for that one |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 03/13/11 04:28 PM
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why compare? how could we possibly? and how could we say one was anymore justified or less murderous than the other? Well, one is murder of civilians and the other is warfare in self defense. It is like this. The Palestinians bomb, stab, murder innocent Israelis. Then the Israeli military targets and attacks armed Palestinian groups who are attempting to fire rockets into their cities. Sometimes there are civilian casualties but it is not intentional and only because the Palestinians cynically use their own people as human shields. What the Palestinians do is unethical and reprehensible. What the Israelis do is justifiable, humane and only in self defense. It is important to compare the two situations and to witness these innocent killings to the world. If you think that the Israelis target innocent civilians you are simply wrong and misrepresenting the facts. did you watch the video? where were the rockets, where were the others using the boy as a shield? I think you just want to believe what you want to believe without using common sense and objectivity What?! The video you posted shows someone arresting someone who either stumbles or gets thrown to the ground. It has been doctored since the background is some music and people talking in the background obviously not from the actual event. Moreover there is nothing there to explain why the person is being arrested. Maybe they threw rocks or fired rockets or shot somebody. The video I posted in the original post shows five family members who were stalked and had their throats slit or were stabbed through the hearts in their home for no reason other than that they were Jewish and living in an area that the terrorists didn't like! I have been giving factual and accurate interpretations of the conflict while you have been trying to equate murdering people with military self defense. I am confident that other intelligent readers will understand the difference. dang, I changed the common sense part because I dont want to turn this offensive, my apology to the op for that one no, I am comparing MURDERING people to MURDERING people the video showed NOTHING that backups a charge of self defense the video I posted was someone in blue jeans carrying an arab flad displaying the peace sign then that SAME person kneeling on the ground with hands tied behind their back and blindfolds than that SAME person having a soldier aim a gun at him than A LOUD bang and that same person lying LIFELESS on the ground while the soldier proceeds to check his LIFELESS body for belongings,,,, now, if you want to convince yourself it was merely an arrest,, be my guest,,, but I am putting the same two and two togetner with what my eyes and ears heard and saw that you are with what an edited collage of PHOTOS implies to you,,, the VIDEO you posted were photographs of deaths with WRITTEN explanation of what the details of their deaths were you trust that editorial, and I trust my eyes and ears equally |
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I will make a correction that this male was shot but did not die. Still not a case of pure 'self defense' though,,
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why compare? how could we possibly? and how could we say one was anymore justified or less murderous than the other? Well, one is murder of civilians and the other is warfare in self defense. It is like this. The Palestinians bomb, stab, murder innocent Israelis. Then the Israeli military targets and attacks armed Palestinian groups who are attempting to fire rockets into their cities. Sometimes there are civilian casualties but it is not intentional and only because the Palestinians cynically use their own people as human shields. What the Palestinians do is unethical and reprehensible. What the Israelis do is justifiable, humane and only in self defense. It is important to compare the two situations and to witness these innocent killings to the world. If you think that the Israelis target innocent civilians you are simply wrong and misrepresenting the facts. did you watch the video? where were the rockets, where were the others using the boy as a shield? I think you just want to believe what you want to believe without using any type of objectivity |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Sun 03/13/11 05:49 PM
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I will make a correction that this male was shot but did not die. Still not a case of pure 'self defense' though,, There was nothing shown in the video you posted which proves that anyone was shot by Israelis or anyone else. Watch it again carefully. I dispute this incident unless there is proof. If there had ever been any video of an Israeli execution as you falsely describe it would have been all over CNN - never happened - so you are obviously misinterpreting your video. The video I posted showed the bodies of a family massacre which was covered by the international press yesterday and is indisputable. And the Hamas members distributing sweets and rejoicing at this senseless massacre. Here is the report from Reuters: Jewish couple and three children killed in West Bank http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-palestinians-israel-violence-idUSTRE72B0B920110312 (Reuters) - A Jewish couple and three of their children were stabbed to death in bed in a West Bank settlement in what Israeli officials said Saturday was an attack by one or more Palestinians who broke into their home. Israeli troops set up roadblocks and were searching the area around the Jewish religious settlement of Itamar, near the Palestinian city of Nablus, for the killer or killers. In a televised speech, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu expressed shock that the parents and three of their children -- including a baby -- were "brutally murdered on Sabbath eve while sleeping." "I instructed our security forces to make all efforts to find the murderers and we will not rest until we find them and bring them to justice," he said. The office of President Barack Obama said: "There is no possible justification for the killing of parents and children in their home. We call on the Palestinian Authority to unequivocally condemn this terrorist attack." |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 03/13/11 06:08 PM
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I will make a correction that this male was shot but did not die. Still not a case of pure 'self defense' though,, There was nothing shown in the video you posted which proves that anyone was shot by Israelis or anyone else. Watch it again carefully. I dispute this incident unless there is proof. If there had ever been any video of an Israeli execution as you falsely describe it would have been all over CNN - never happened - so you are obviously misinterpreting your video. The video I posted showed the bodies of a family massacre which was covered by the international press yesterday and is indisputable. And the Hamas members distributing sweets and rejoicing at this senseless massacre. Here is the report from Reuters: Jewish couple and three children killed in West Bank http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-palestinians-israel-violence-idUSTRE72B0B920110312 (Reuters) - A Jewish couple and three of their children were stabbed to death in bed in a West Bank settlement in what Israeli officials said Saturday was an attack by one or more Palestinians who broke into their home. Israeli troops set up roadblocks and were searching the area around the Jewish religious settlement of Itamar, near the Palestinian city of Nablus, for the killer or killers. In a televised speech, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu expressed shock that the parents and three of their children -- including a baby -- were "brutally murdered on Sabbath eve while sleeping." "I instructed our security forces to make all efforts to find the murderers and we will not rest until we find them and bring them to justice," he said. The office of President Barack Obama said: "There is no possible justification for the killing of parents and children in their home. We call on the Palestinian Authority to unequivocally condemn this terrorist attack." look up Furkan or Israli soldiers shoot and you will find reports of israelis killing read more about the displacement of palestinians and tell me israelis are never wrong or murderous in their actions,,,, it is sad to have the tunnelvision that causs us to think if it hasnt been reported it hasnt happened, or worse yet if we havent seen where it was reported(different than it not being reported) it didnt happen there is plenty AMERICAN media doesnt cover because AMERICAN media is mostly owned by people with interests its nonsensical to believe something is inherent in every ISRAELI soldier that makes them incapable or unwilling to commit the same types of MURDEROUS behavior that any other people do there is no doubt in my mind, having listened to horror stories from BOTH sides, that BOTH sides are guilty of the same things(policy or not) but to each their own |
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Those Muslims were real cowards.
And these are the people Hussein will stand with. |
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Those Muslims were real cowards. And these are the people Hussein will stand with. actually it is AMERICANS he wills tand with, unless you suggest american muslims did it and whomever killed those people or whomever kills the innocent palestinians and arabs ,while walking away to live their own lives, are indeed cowards |
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Those Muslims were real cowards. And these are the people Hussein will stand with. actually it is AMERICANS he wills tand with, unless you suggest american muslims did it and whomever killed those people or whomever kills the innocent palestinians and arabs ,while walking away to live their own lives, are indeed cowards When he made that quote, he was bowing to and kissin' Arab assss |
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It is always funny to me when someone "allows" that their warfare is more "fair" than others warfare.
Warfare is never humane or fair. All warring nations of people are unfair and murderous. Innocents die in every form of warfare there is there is no other way to war. And there are bad people in all armies of warring nations that will do dispicable things to others just because they can in the name of said war and hate. |
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I will make a correction that this male was shot but did not die. Still not a case of pure 'self defense' though,, There was nothing shown in the video you posted which proves that anyone was shot by Israelis or anyone else. Watch it again carefully. I dispute this incident unless there is proof. If there had ever been any video of an Israeli execution as you falsely describe it would have been all over CNN - never happened - so you are obviously misinterpreting your video. The video I posted showed the bodies of a family massacre which was covered by the international press yesterday and is indisputable. And the Hamas members distributing sweets and rejoicing at this senseless massacre. Here is the report from Reuters: Jewish couple and three children killed in West Bank http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-palestinians-israel-violence-idUSTRE72B0B920110312 (Reuters) - A Jewish couple and three of their children were stabbed to death in bed in a West Bank settlement in what Israeli officials said Saturday was an attack by one or more Palestinians who broke into their home. Israeli troops set up roadblocks and were searching the area around the Jewish religious settlement of Itamar, near the Palestinian city of Nablus, for the killer or killers. In a televised speech, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu expressed shock that the parents and three of their children -- including a baby -- were "brutally murdered on Sabbath eve while sleeping." "I instructed our security forces to make all efforts to find the murderers and we will not rest until we find them and bring them to justice," he said. The office of President Barack Obama said: "There is no possible justification for the killing of parents and children in their home. We call on the Palestinian Authority to unequivocally condemn this terrorist attack." look up Furkan or Israli soldiers shoot and you will find reports of israelis killing read more about the displacement of palestinians and tell me israelis are never wrong or murderous in their actions,,,, it is sad to have the tunnelvision that causs us to think if it hasnt been reported it hasnt happened, or worse yet if we havent seen where it was reported(different than it not being reported) it didnt happen there is plenty AMERICAN media doesnt cover because AMERICAN media is mostly owned by people with interests its nonsensical to believe something is inherent in every ISRAELI soldier that makes them incapable or unwilling to commit the same types of MURDEROUS behavior that any other people do there is no doubt in my mind, having listened to horror stories from BOTH sides, that BOTH sides are guilty of the same things(policy or not) but to each their own Nonsense. Warfare is one thing. Killing civilians in their homes by slitting their throats is not warfare. These actions would be war crimes. This is simply terrorism and murder. You would excuse war crimes and blame those who protect their citizens from terrorists. It is an indefensible position. |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Sun 03/13/11 07:54 PM
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It is always funny to me when someone "allows" that their warfare is more "fair" than others warfare. Warfare is never humane or fair. All warring nations of people are unfair and murderous. Innocents die in every form of warfare there is there is no other way to war. And there are bad people in all armies of warring nations that will do dispicable things to others just because they can in the name of said war and hate. The murder of this family is not warfare. Take the 911 WTC massacre for example. Same thing. An organization killing innocent people to try to terrorize them. It is an unjustifiable attack. But we are certainly justified in going after the organization which perpetrated the attacks. We are more than justified. We are OBLIGATED to protect our citizens from those who seek to kill them. Same for the Israelis. They are OBLIGATED to defend their innocent civilians who have been killed for no reason except for terror. War is hell. But no civilized person could tolerate terrorists sneaking into their homes and killing families, or bus bombings, or restaurant massacres or indiscriminate rocket attacks trying to kill innocent civilians. That's why we should fight terrorism. The war on terror is a just and noble cause. Do you disagree with me and think that the 911 attacks are warfare? Do you think that we are not justified in trying to prevent Al-Qaeda from making more attacks on our civilians? I don't recall the 911 attackers behaving according to the Geneva convention. We should expect our government, police and military to do as much as they can to protect us from additional Al-Qaeda attacks. |
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Those Muslims were real cowards. And these are the people Hussein will stand with. actually it is AMERICANS he wills tand with, unless you suggest american muslims did it and whomever killed those people or whomever kills the innocent palestinians and arabs ,while walking away to live their own lives, are indeed cowards When he made that quote, he was bowing to and kissin' Arab assss that statement was actually PRINTED in his book, and was referencing AMericans of arab descent who felt unfairly ostracized 'They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." CITIZENSHIP, as in american citizens |
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I will make a correction that this male was shot but did not die. Still not a case of pure 'self defense' though,, There was nothing shown in the video you posted which proves that anyone was shot by Israelis or anyone else. Watch it again carefully. I dispute this incident unless there is proof. If there had ever been any video of an Israeli execution as you falsely describe it would have been all over CNN - never happened - so you are obviously misinterpreting your video. The video I posted showed the bodies of a family massacre which was covered by the international press yesterday and is indisputable. And the Hamas members distributing sweets and rejoicing at this senseless massacre. Here is the report from Reuters: Jewish couple and three children killed in West Bank http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-palestinians-israel-violence-idUSTRE72B0B920110312 (Reuters) - A Jewish couple and three of their children were stabbed to death in bed in a West Bank settlement in what Israeli officials said Saturday was an attack by one or more Palestinians who broke into their home. Israeli troops set up roadblocks and were searching the area around the Jewish religious settlement of Itamar, near the Palestinian city of Nablus, for the killer or killers. In a televised speech, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu expressed shock that the parents and three of their children -- including a baby -- were "brutally murdered on Sabbath eve while sleeping." "I instructed our security forces to make all efforts to find the murderers and we will not rest until we find them and bring them to justice," he said. The office of President Barack Obama said: "There is no possible justification for the killing of parents and children in their home. We call on the Palestinian Authority to unequivocally condemn this terrorist attack." look up Furkan or Israli soldiers shoot and you will find reports of israelis killing read more about the displacement of palestinians and tell me israelis are never wrong or murderous in their actions,,,, it is sad to have the tunnelvision that causs us to think if it hasnt been reported it hasnt happened, or worse yet if we havent seen where it was reported(different than it not being reported) it didnt happen there is plenty AMERICAN media doesnt cover because AMERICAN media is mostly owned by people with interests its nonsensical to believe something is inherent in every ISRAELI soldier that makes them incapable or unwilling to commit the same types of MURDEROUS behavior that any other people do there is no doubt in my mind, having listened to horror stories from BOTH sides, that BOTH sides are guilty of the same things(policy or not) but to each their own Nonsense. Warfare is one thing. Killing civilians in their homes by slitting their throats is not warfare. These actions would be war crimes. This is simply terrorism and murder. You would excuse war crimes and blame those who protect their citizens from terrorists. It is an indefensible position. seriously? excuse war crimes and blame those who protect themself from terrorists is EXACTLY the position many of those who are killed have taken they are trying to 'protect' themself before they are killed in many situations,, but in many others they are just powerless to stop murderous soldiers and have noone around who can speak up for them when they are killed Im not excusing anything, Im saying that ISRAELI soldiers also kill innocent people in the name of war, and it is just as sad when it happens because of israeli people as when it happens TO Israeli people |
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