you mean this is how people engage in crimes against humanity

and I would have to agree with you but it wasn't the Israelis

Settlement is not ethnic cleansing. There is no mass murder.
Heated debate is not terrorism. Cutting down trees is not terrorism.
Dismantling illegal Palestinian homes is not ethnic cleansing
or terrorism. Illegal Israeli settlements are also dismantled.

Settlers do not engage in bus bombingsm, rocket attacks,
cafe bombings or hijacking aircraft and flying them into buildings.
That's what terrorists do.

Settlers are not terrorists.

Are you some type of Israeli Shrill? Everything you post about Israel lacks in objectivity. Its as if your a propagandist.

Noam Chomsky on Israel


Hijacking boats in international waters and killing passengers is, of course, a serious crime. The editors of the London Guardian are quite right to say that "If an armed group of Somali pirates had yesterday boarded six vessels on the high seas, killing at least 10 passengers and injuring many more, a Nato taskforce would today be heading for the Somali coast." It is worth bearing in mind that the crime is nothing new. For decades, Israel has been hijacking boats in international waters between Cyprus and Lebanon, killing or kidnapping passengers, sometimes bringing them to prisons in Israel including secret prison/torture chambers, sometimes holding them as hostages for many years. Israel assumes that it can carry out such crimes with impunity because the US tolerates them and Europe generally follows the US lead.
Much the same is true of Israel's pretext for its latest crime: that the Freedom Flotilla was bringing materials that could be used for bunkers for rockets. Putting aside the absurdity, if Israel were interested in stopping Hamas rockets it knows exactly how to proceed: accept Hamas offers for a cease-fire. In June 2008, Israel and Hamas reached a cease-fire agreement. The Israeli government formally acknowledges that until Israel broke the agreeement on November 4, invading Gaza and killing half a dozen Hamas activists, Hamas did not fire a single rocket. Hamas offered to renew the cease-fire. The Israeli cabinet considered the offer and rejected it, preferring to launch its murderous and destructive Operation Cast Lead on December 27. Evidently, there is no justification for the use of force "in self-defense" unless peaceful means have been exhausted. In this case they were not even tried, althoughÑor perhaps becauseÑthere was every reason to suppose that they would succeed. Operation Cast Lead is therefore sheer criminal aggression, with no credible pretext, and the same is true of Israel's current resort to force.


The siege of Gaza itself does not have the slightest credible pretext. It was imposed by the US and Israel in January 2006 to punish Palestinians because they voted "the wrong way" in a free election, and it was sharply intensified in July 2007 when Hamas blocked a US-Israeli attempt to overthrow the elected government in a military coup, installing Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan. The siege is savage and cruel, designed to keep the caged animals barely alive so as to fend off international protest, but hardly more than that. It is the latest stage of long-standing Israeli plans, backed by the US, to separate Gaza from the West Bank.

These are only the bare outlines of very ugly policies, in which Egypt is complicit as well.
http://chomsky.info/articles/20100602.htm

I'm objective. I feel very badly about the plight of the Palestinians and the Israelis. But I feel strongly that there is never any reason for terrorist attacks on civilians and that Israel like the U.S. has a serious obligation to protect their citizens from such attacks.

Noam Chomsky is a rabidly non-objective Israel-hater who has
been bashing them for years because he is anti-Israel ideologically.
Chomsky is not a credible objective observer.

That simply showes how little you know about Noam Chomksy professor of Linguistics at MIT and also jewish. He speaks from what he knowes to be true and is against injustice everywere without prejiduce.

Please read what I posted above and prove to me he isnt being brutaly honest.

That simply shows how little you know about Noam Chomksy...

:laugh

Oh Chomsky has been revealed many times.

"In Noam Chomsky’s books, essays and public campaigns stretching back for decades, one theme is constant: his portrayal of the state of Israel as the focus of evil in the Middle East, a malevolent outlaw whose only redeeming feature is the readiness of its own left-wing intelligentsia to expose its uniquely horrifying depravity. His efforts began in the 1970s with the short polemic, Peace in the Middle East?, in which he argued that the country should be replaced by a binational socialist regime; they escalated in the 1980s with his lengthier works, Fateful Triangle and Pirates and Emperors, which portrayed Israel as a terrorist state with “points of similarity” to Nazi Germany; and they culminated in his most recent collection of diatribes, Middle East Illusions, in which he continues to present Israel as the main obstacle to peace in the region, in the midst of horrible war crimes against Israeli civilians.1 Dozens of publications, lectures and interviews contain further symptoms of Chomsky’s fixation upon the Jewish state. However, as we shall see, his polemics on the Arab-Israeli conflict bear the hallmarks of his intellectual repertoire – massive falsification of facts, evidence, sources and statistics, conducted in the service of a bigoted and extremist ideological agenda."

http://www.acpr.org.il/ENGLISH-NATIV/04-issue/bogdanor-4.htm

again read what he said and prove to me he is wrong or misleading in anyway. I dont realy care what some zionist blogger has to say about him.

You would like to hear counterarguments to Chomsky but you don't care about reading about Noam Chomsky's arguments.



That simply showes how little you know about Noam Chomksy professor of Linguistics at MIT and also jewish.

News of the vicious stabbing dominated the news in Israel, and thousands flocked to Jerusalem Sunday for the funeral.
Saturday night, Israeli journalist Yossi Klein Halevi said the latest violence was shocking in its brutality.

“This will have, I suspect, a long term imprint on Israeli discourse and how we view trusting the Palestinian side,” he said.

and this is the reality of the situation....

This is why any Palestinian state will have to be de-militarized
and why Israel will have to insist on also maintaining military
control of the Jordan valley. So that they will no be brutally
attacked from the east with arms supplied by Iran and Hezbollah.

Fortunately, there is nothing to prevent a peaceful prosperous
Palestinian non-military state on 95% of the West Bank and Gaza
except intolerance and Hamas. So there is still some hope.

I am glad most people are wiser than to buy into all this pro Israel shrilling. I for one am tired of seeing my tax dollars support them. Yup some folks would rather cut the pay of teachers and fireman than to stop supporting Israel in its war crimes. Funny isnt it when they walk all over human rights and trample innocent people its ok but when they recieve some retaliation they are the best at crying.

OSLO, Norway (Ma'an) --The congress of the Electrician and IT workers union in Norway unanimously voted in favor of a resolution calling for boycott of Israeli goods, a ban on Norwegian arms trade with the Israeli military, and end to all research cooperation.

Norway's Network One news said in a report that union members also urged the country to push for international sanctions against Israel through the UN.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=368383

I think alot of the world is wakeing up to Israel.

NABLUS, An Asian worker is suspected of the murder of the Fogel family, a settler family from Itamar settlement near the northern West Bank city of Nablus, according to Palestinian press sources.

Quds Net news quoted local residents from the area that he was infuriated with an Israeli settler for not paying him his wages carried out the killing of the settler’s family in Itamar, Palestinian press sources reported.

Quds Net news agency on Monday quoted a Palestinian family from Awarta village next to the settlement as saying that Mr. Fogel refused to pay 10,000 shekels in wages which he owed an Asian worker he hired. The worker threatened to kill the settler and his family.

The worker is suspected of committing the crime after midnight Friday using a knife then fleeing the scene to nearby Palestinian villages, the report added.

It noted that the Israeli army knows of the information leading to the suspect but refuse to announce or deal with it for political as well as security reasons.

Meanwhile, de facto Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas condemned the murder crime in the strongest words, describing it as “despicable”.

Speaking at an interview with radio Israel on Monday, Abbas pledged to extend all necessary assistance leading to unveiling the mystery of the crime, adding that he relayed this position to Israeli premier Benjamin Netanyahu in a telephone conversation on Saturday shortly after the crime was reported.

He also invited Israel and the USA to discuss with his authority in Ramallah the curriculums being studied in Palestinian schools in the West Bank to make sure that they do not contain any “incitement”.

Abbas, however, failed to mention the Israeli settlers’ unruly behavior and the army’s collective punishment against Palestinian in Nablus villages following the crime despite the fact that no concrete evidence was found incriminating any Palestinian party in the act.
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/suspect-in-settlement-murders-not-a-palestinian-army-silent-on-this/

I certainly hope the Palestinians who have publicly repudiated the killings help catch whoever is responsible for this heinous attack. If they have identified those responsible they should hand them over immediately and put an end to the investigations!!

But you know that probably won't happen.

Ethnic cleansing... is a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.



Definition of Terrorism under U.S. Law:
the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents



Do you see mass murder specified in the definition of Ethnic Cleansing? It's not there. What is there is "purposeful policy".

Do you see bus bombings, rocket attacks, cafe bombings or hijackings specified in the definition of terrorism? It not there either. It states "premeditated, politically motivated violence"


Removal of people with documented proof that the land they have built their home and farm on is not theirs because of biblical ownership isn't ethnic cleansing? Using every means to ensure that they will leave is a "purposeful policy". You don't have to massacre people to clear them from an area.Shooting, throwing stones at children and women with infants is not heated debate. It is violence and done to force people from their homes. These places aren't dismantled an Israeli family moves in. That is Ethnic Cleansing...removal of one ethnic / religious group from a certain area to have your own move in.

According to the definition of terrorism the settlers are terrorists. They stone, shoot, damage the property, destroy the means of earning a living or just being able to have means of sustaining life (unless destroying fields, cutting down orchards and placing cement in wells is normal behavior by any standard of society).

As to the dismantling of Israeli settlements:

http://www.poica.org/editor/case_studies/view.php?recordID=886

Protesting - even throwing rocks and vandalism is not the same
thing as flying commercial airliners full of tourists and fuel into
office buildings.

I realize you are trying to have a balanced perspective but there
just is no comparison between yelling matches and vandalism and
bus bombings.

There is no comparison between cutting a tree down or smashing a
car and killing dozens of people dining at a cafe.

Trees can be replanted. Cars can be fixed or replaced.

As far as Israeli settlements being dismantled you might recall
when Israel forcibly removed settlers from the Gaza strip only to
have it turn into a terrorist Hamastan Islamic fundamentalist
brutally repressionist radical theocracy resembling the Taliban's
control of Afghanistan. Nice.

"We shall have peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us."
Golda Meir,(1898 – 1978), former Prime Minister of Israel

SO TRUE.

I guess I am skeptical. Because of Hamas handing out of treats in
Gaza. Because if they knew who the attacker was, they did not release
his name. It really would be a good thing though if they helped to
bring the murderers to justice and instead of handing out cookies were
mourning the loss and not celebrating the killing of innocent children.

They need confidence building and cooperation. But really how much
cooperation can you expect from a party which will not even sit
down with you for face to face negotiations. The Palestinians do
not wish to negotiate now. Sometimes I think rather cynically that
they want to perpetuate the conflict so their leaders like Arafat,
Mubarak and Gaddafi can enrich themselves personally at the expense
of the general Palestinian population and everyone else.

If they would only lay down their arms and accept a provisional
state on the land which they already administer they could be
cooperating with the Israelis to everyone's mutual benefit but they
refuse to do this and prefer to foment violence and preach hate
in their schools and hand out treats in Gaza when innocent people
are slashed to death in their sleep.