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msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 03/14/11 11:23 AM
This is definitely where the breakdown is occurring. There is a qualitative difference between a group of terrorists hijacking a number of civilian airliners and flying them into buildings or a group of terrorists invading someones home and slitting the throats of children and their parents while they sleep versus a military operation where a group of soldiers tries to track the people who have committed these acts of terrorism! Even soldiers in warfare avoid civilian casualties. Murder of innocent civilians are called war crimes because such acts are considered to be to obscene/inhumane even for war. Anyone who would accept that the 911 terrorists flying planes into buildings is just as acceptable as military conflict would say that we would be just as justified in taking thousands of innocent people and simply murdering them in retaliation. This is obviously absurd and we don't do it or anything like it. Instead, we went after Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda and have been monitoring them and destroying their organization and countering their propaganda to try to prevent them from continuing to mount new attacks on us. This is the appropriate, humane and reasonable approach to counter the terrorists. Never killing innocent people en masse. This is the same approach that the Israelis have taken consistently with regard to anti-Israel terrorist attacks. They have shown tremendous and admirable restraint. Often waiting patiently until they can target the terrorists specifically and warning civilians with loudspeakers and leaflets to avoid areas of military operation even when it diminishes the effectiveness of their efforts. both sides have shown restraint, ISRAELI and non ISRAELI both have terrorists, we just hear more about terrorist CELLS with non israelis and little to nothing about israeli CELL but those who have watched their child gunned down by a sniper or those who have seen their loved ones throats slit by a TERRORIST would be hard pressed, most likely , to consider either one (terrorist or sniper) as any less GUILTY OF AN ATROCITY

karmafury Joined Sun 11/12/06 Posts: 10156	Mon 03/14/11 01:31 PM Edited by karmafury on Mon 03/14/11 01:32 PM
and peace loving israelis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUQe0TeO0KY&feature=related neither side can claim clean hands,,,,, Young Man in tape was not killed by Israelis but was shot with a rubber bullet in leg despite regulations. Israeli military police investigating. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8ST5m9pREQ&feature=related Another example of 'selective' filming Muhammad al Durrah ... the faked killing of 12 yr old Palestinian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzsCBFhCsyY Israeli military is forced to defend their citizens under attack and they do so proudly and well and with instructions to avoid harm to civilians. Well, one is murder of civilians and the other is warfare in self defense. It is like this. The Palestinians bomb, stab, murder innocent Israelis. Then the Israeli military targets and attacks armed Palestinian groups who are attempting to fire rockets into their cities. Sometimes there are civilian casualties but it is not intentional and only because the Palestinians cynically use their own people as human shields. What the Palestinians do is unethical and reprehensible. What the Israelis do is justifiable, humane and only in self defense. It is important to compare the two situations and to witness these innocent killings to the world. If you think that the Israelis target innocent civilians you are simply wrong and misrepresenting the facts. Justified? Self defense? Humane? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl6-ezZTlYc&feature=related Obviously not a threat...released after being abused by IDF. Justified? Self defense? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoxytKc0zHU&feature=related "IDF ordered to 'cleanse' Gaza". Ethnic cleansing, and make no mistake this is just that, is not Justifiable, Humane or Self defense!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lFHaIgCDE4 Settlers / IDF harrassing Palestinians. Justified? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAjYAXh8pjM&NR=1 Footage that actually made it to Israeli tv. The deliberate killing of a 13 yr old girl. Justifiable, Self defense? Ethical? Though being 'investigated' it is not a lone incident. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y0Mi9UztOk&feature=related When even a Jewish British Statesman recognizes that Israel crosses the line without any fear of repercussions. British Statemen in Parlaiment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8&feature=related There was nothing shown in the video you posted which proves that anyone was shot by Israelis or anyone else. Watch it again carefully. I dispute this incident unless there is proof. If there had ever been any video of an Israeli execution as you falsely describe it would have been all over CNN - never happened - so you are obviously misinterpreting your video. The video I posted showed the bodies of a family massacre which was covered by the international press yesterday and is indisputable. And the Hamas members distributing sweets and rejoicing at this senseless massacre. Here is the report from Reuters: Jewish couple and three children killed in West Bank http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-palestinians-israel-violence-idUSTRE72B0B920110312 (Reuters) - A Jewish couple and three of their children were stabbed to death in bed in a West Bank settlement in what Israeli officials said Saturday was an attack by one or more Palestinians who broke into their home. Israeli troops set up roadblocks and were searching the area around the Jewish religious settlement of Itamar, near the Palestinian city of Nablus, for the killer or killers. In a televised speech, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu expressed shock that the parents and three of their children -- including a baby -- were "brutally murdered on Sabbath eve while sleeping." "I instructed our security forces to make all efforts to find the murderers and we will not rest until we find them and bring them to justice," he said. The office of President Barack Obama said: "There is no possible justification for the killing of parents and children in their home. We call on the Palestinian Authority to unequivocally condemn this terrorist attack." This is as bad as selective filming. If you are going to post an article ...post the whole article.. surprisingly not eeveryone takes the time to go read it since you posted it. The Palestinians have denied all knowledge and have not claimed this action. They never give up a chance to claim what they do. A family slaughtered in the night by stabbing sounds more like a domestic, home-grown murder. A sensless act never the less. msharmony is quite correct. The bs happenes on both sides. To be blind to the errors done by Israel is no different than German citizens being blind to the atrocities committed by their leaders during the war. "I didn't know" and "I was following orders" were not acceptable excuses then and should not be now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Vt0yHnN_4

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Mon 03/14/11 02:00 PM Edited by s1owhand on Mon 03/14/11 02:05 PM
Sure there is propaganda on both sides. But Israelis still do not attack innocent civilians or ethnically cleanse. The military response in Gaza was a response to months and months of Palestinian shelling of Israeli homes. So, yes, the invasion of Gaza was a justified and appropriate response and it stopped the large scale rocket attacks against Israeli citizens too. Bus bombings, cafe massacres, indiscriminate rocket launches targeting families and the latest murder of this family are the tactics of terrorist groups like Hamas and Al-Qaeda not the Israelis. So yeah... I am not blind to events on the Israeli side. But your example of settlers "harassing" Palestinians is hardly the same thing as entering someone's home in the middle of the night and slaughtering young parents and their small children. And Israeli soldiers firing at people launching rockets into their cities is not the same as bus and cafe bombings. C'mon now. You cannot honestly claim there is an equivalence. If the Palestinian terrorists lay down their arms the conflict is over today.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Mon 03/14/11 02:04 PM Edited by s1owhand on Mon 03/14/11 02:04 PM
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msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 03/14/11 02:05 PM
Sure there is propaganda on both sides. But Israelis still do not attack innocent civilians or ethnically cleanse. The military response in Gaza was to months and months of Palestinian shelling of Israeli homes. So, yes, these were a justified and appropriate response and it stopped the large scale rocket attacks against Israeli citizens too. Bus bombings, cafe massacres, indiscriminate rocket launches targeting families and the latest murder of this family are the tactics of terrorist groups not the Israelis. So yeah... I am not blind to events on the Israeli side. But your example of settlers "harassing" Palestinians is ummmm not the same thing as entering someone's home in the middle of the night and slaughtering young parents and their small children. And Israeli soldiers firing at people launching rockets into their cities is not the same as bus and cafe bombings. C'mon now. You cannot honestly claim there is an equivalence. If the Palestinian terrorists lay down their arms the conflict is over today. look up 'sabra' and try to say with a straight face there is NO chance that israelis under ANY circumstance have/would commit worse atrocities than mere 'harassment'

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Mon 03/14/11 02:09 PM
Do you think that it is appropriate to cut the throats of a sleeping family in order to protest Israeli settlers?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 03/14/11 02:36 PM
Do you think that it is appropriate to cut the throats of a sleeping family in order to protest Israeli settlers? has anything in my posts suggested that I find it appropriate? No. but ISRAELIS and NON ISRAELIES alike live under such conditions and it is sad WHOMEVER it happens to whenever it is premeditated and unnecessary and unarmed unthreatening (innocent) lives are taken I don't think I can make it any clearer than THAT

karmafury Joined Sun 11/12/06 Posts: 10156	Mon 03/14/11 02:44 PM Edited by karmafury on Mon 03/14/11 02:50 PM
Sure there is propaganda on both sides. But Israelis still do not attack innocent civilians or ethnically cleanse. The military response in Gaza was a response to months and months of Palestinian shelling of Israeli homes. So, yes, the invasion of Gaza was a justified and appropriate response and it stopped the large scale rocket attacks against Israeli citizens too. Bus bombings, cafe massacres, indiscriminate rocket launches targeting families and the latest murder of this family are the tactics of terrorist groups like Hamas and Al-Qaeda not the Israelis. So yeah... I am not blind to events on the Israeli side. But your example of settlers "harassing" Palestinians is hardly the same thing as entering someone's home in the middle of the night and slaughtering young parents and their small children. And Israeli soldiers firing at people launching rockets into their cities is not the same as bus and cafe bombings. C'mon now. You cannot honestly claim there is an equivalence. If the Palestinian terrorists lay down their arms the conflict is over today. Do not attack innocent civilians ?? Do not ethnically cleanse ?? Did you even look at what is at those links? A woman, mother, wife INNOCENT was allowed to die because IDF wouldn't let an ambulance through after causing her injuries by blowing off the door to a family home!!!! A 13 yr old was targeted INTENTIONALLY by an IDF sniper under order to kill her !!! People are forcibly removed from their homes because they are Palestinians to make way for good Israelis !!! Israeli soldiers stating that their orders were to 'cleanse' a neighborhood of Gaza, watching as people left their homes with nothing. Settlers are no more than state sponsored terrorists. Firing into Palestinian fields, homes, forcing Palestinians out of their homes while the IDF, claiming that it protects the civilians on all sides, turns a blind eye !! Again, I read that article you posted. From that article there is no indication that it was indeed terrorists that committed the crime. Indeed the terrorists, who never refuse to take credit for their actions, haven't done so in this case. Will Israel be so quick to apologize or admit error or even make it public if/when they find that this was a case of plain home-grown murder? I doubt it. The pity etc garnered from "Innocents slaughtered in their sleep by terrorists" will be too good to give up.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Mon 03/14/11 03:20 PM
and peace loving israelis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUQe0TeO0KY&feature=related neither side can claim clean hands,,,,, israelies never claimed that... they are just trying to survive... kind of hard when they are surrounded by idiots the op suggested israelis and their soldiers are NEVER murderous,,, when was the last time time you saw any Israelis dancing and partying after they murder a family?

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Mon 03/14/11 04:31 PM
and peace loving israelis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUQe0TeO0KY&feature=related neither side can claim clean hands,,,,, israelies never claimed that... they are just trying to survive... kind of hard when they are surrounded by idiots the op suggested israelis and their soldiers are NEVER murderous,,, when was the last time time you saw any Israelis dancing and partying after they murder a family? Not sure about that, but here are Israelis celebrating after the destruction of a flotilla bringing aid to Gaza.(in front of Turkish embassy in Tel-Aviv) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpWVDESMzwI

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 03/14/11 04:53 PM
and peace loving israelis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUQe0TeO0KY&feature=related neither side can claim clean hands,,,,, israelies never claimed that... they are just trying to survive... kind of hard when they are surrounded by idiots the op suggested israelis and their soldiers are NEVER murderous,,, when was the last time time you saw any Israelis dancing and partying after they murder a family? well, thats like asking when is the last time you hit your wife it ASSUMES that you hit your wife I didnt see the people who murdered that family dancing, because , to be honest, I dont KNOW the people who murdered that family

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 03/14/11 04:53 PM
and peace loving israelis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUQe0TeO0KY&feature=related neither side can claim clean hands,,,,, israelies never claimed that... they are just trying to survive... kind of hard when they are surrounded by idiots the op suggested israelis and their soldiers are NEVER murderous,,, when was the last time time you saw any Israelis dancing and partying after they murder a family? Not sure about that, but here are Israelis celebrating after the destruction of a flotilla bringing aid to Gaza.(in front of Turkish embassy in Tel-Aviv) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpWVDESMzwI

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Mon 03/14/11 05:18 PM
Do you think that it is appropriate to cut the throats of a sleeping family in order to protest Israeli settlers? has anything in my posts suggested that I find it appropriate? No. but ISRAELIS and NON ISRAELIES alike live under such conditions and it is sad WHOMEVER it happens to whenever it is premeditated and unnecessary and unarmed unthreatening (innocent) lives are taken I don't think I can make it any clearer than THAT Except that Israelis do not go into peoples homes at night for the sole express purpose of murdering families or bomb buses as their fighting method but Hamas does. So this is where you are wrong. the non-Israelis do not live under similar threat at all.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Mon 03/14/11 05:26 PM
Sure there is propaganda on both sides. But Israelis still do not attack innocent civilians or ethnically cleanse. The military response in Gaza was a response to months and months of Palestinian shelling of Israeli homes. So, yes, the invasion of Gaza was a justified and appropriate response and it stopped the large scale rocket attacks against Israeli citizens too. Bus bombings, cafe massacres, indiscriminate rocket launches targeting families and the latest murder of this family are the tactics of terrorist groups like Hamas and Al-Qaeda not the Israelis. So yeah... I am not blind to events on the Israeli side. But your example of settlers "harassing" Palestinians is hardly the same thing as entering someone's home in the middle of the night and slaughtering young parents and their small children. And Israeli soldiers firing at people launching rockets into their cities is not the same as bus and cafe bombings. C'mon now. You cannot honestly claim there is an equivalence. If the Palestinian terrorists lay down their arms the conflict is over today. Do not attack innocent civilians ?? Do not ethnically cleanse ?? Did you even look at what is at those links? A woman, mother, wife INNOCENT was allowed to die because IDF wouldn't let an ambulance through after causing her injuries by blowing off the door to a family home!!!! A 13 yr old was targeted INTENTIONALLY by an IDF sniper under order to kill her !!! People are forcibly removed from their homes because they are Palestinians to make way for good Israelis !!! Israeli soldiers stating that their orders were to 'cleanse' a neighborhood of Gaza, watching as people left their homes with nothing. Settlers are no more than state sponsored terrorists. Firing into Palestinian fields, homes, forcing Palestinians out of their homes while the IDF, claiming that it protects the civilians on all sides, turns a blind eye !! Again, I read that article you posted. From that article there is no indication that it was indeed terrorists that committed the crime. Indeed the terrorists, who never refuse to take credit for their actions, haven't done so in this case. Will Israel be so quick to apologize or admit error or even make it public if/when they find that this was a case of plain home-grown murder? I doubt it. The pity etc garnered from "Innocents slaughtered in their sleep by terrorists" will be too good to give up. Settlement is not ethnic cleansing. There is no mass murder. Dismantling illegal Palestinian homes is not ethnic cleansing either. Illegal Israeli settlements are also dismantled. Settlers are not terrorists. This is ridiculous. The family is murdered according to tactics popularized by Hamas and Hezbollah and Hamas hands out candy. Even if they are not claiming responsibility in this case, it is clearly a terrorist attack not a robbery. Israel has apologized and admitted errors and prosecuted their own citizens, soldiers and leaders when there have been crimes. So they do not permit such actions.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Mon 03/14/11 05:26 PM Edited by s1owhand on Mon 03/14/11 05:27 PM
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mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Mon 03/14/11 05:31 PM Edited by mightymoe on Mon 03/14/11 05:40 PM
and peace loving israelis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUQe0TeO0KY&feature=related neither side can claim clean hands,,,,, israelies never claimed that... they are just trying to survive... kind of hard when they are surrounded by idiots the op suggested israelis and their soldiers are NEVER murderous,,, when was the last time time you saw any Israelis dancing and partying after they murder a family? Not sure about that, but here are Israelis celebrating after the destruction of a flotilla bringing aid to Gaza.(in front of Turkish embassy in Tel-Aviv) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpWVDESMzwI IDK what happened there... but the muslims deserved it..

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Mon 03/14/11 05:33 PM
Sure there is propaganda on both sides. But Israelis still do not attack innocent civilians or ethnically cleanse. The military response in Gaza was a response to months and months of Palestinian shelling of Israeli homes. So, yes, the invasion of Gaza was a justified and appropriate response and it stopped the large scale rocket attacks against Israeli citizens too. Bus bombings, cafe massacres, indiscriminate rocket launches targeting families and the latest murder of this family are the tactics of terrorist groups like Hamas and Al-Qaeda not the Israelis. So yeah... I am not blind to events on the Israeli side. But your example of settlers "harassing" Palestinians is hardly the same thing as entering someone's home in the middle of the night and slaughtering young parents and their small children. And Israeli soldiers firing at people launching rockets into their cities is not the same as bus and cafe bombings. C'mon now. You cannot honestly claim there is an equivalence. If the Palestinian terrorists lay down their arms the conflict is over today. Do not attack innocent civilians ?? Do not ethnically cleanse ?? Did you even look at what is at those links? A woman, mother, wife INNOCENT was allowed to die because IDF wouldn't let an ambulance through after causing her injuries by blowing off the door to a family home!!!! A 13 yr old was targeted INTENTIONALLY by an IDF sniper under order to kill her !!! People are forcibly removed from their homes because they are Palestinians to make way for good Israelis !!! Israeli soldiers stating that their orders were to 'cleanse' a neighborhood of Gaza, watching as people left their homes with nothing. Settlers are no more than state sponsored terrorists. Firing into Palestinian fields, homes, forcing Palestinians out of their homes while the IDF, claiming that it protects the civilians on all sides, turns a blind eye !! Again, I read that article you posted. From that article there is no indication that it was indeed terrorists that committed the crime. Indeed the terrorists, who never refuse to take credit for their actions, haven't done so in this case. Will Israel be so quick to apologize or admit error or even make it public if/when they find that this was a case of plain home-grown murder? I doubt it. The pity etc garnered from "Innocents slaughtered in their sleep by terrorists" will be too good to give up. Settlement is not ethnic cleansing. There is no mass murder. Dismantling illegal Palestinian homes is not ethnic cleansing either. Illegal Israeli settlements are also dismantled. Settlers are not terrorists. This is ridiculous. The family is murdered according to tactics popularized by Hamas and Hezbollah and Hamas hands out candy. Even if they are not claiming responsibility in this case, it is clearly a terrorist attack not a robbery. Israel has apologized and admitted errors and prosecuted their own citizens, soldiers and leaders when there have been crimes. So they do not permit such actions. When Hamas completes the same crimes, they are made heroes.

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Mon 03/14/11 09:18 PM
Sure there is propaganda on both sides. But Israelis still do not attack innocent civilians or ethnically cleanse. The military response in Gaza was a response to months and months of Palestinian shelling of Israeli homes. So, yes, the invasion of Gaza was a justified and appropriate response and it stopped the large scale rocket attacks against Israeli citizens too. Bus bombings, cafe massacres, indiscriminate rocket launches targeting families and the latest murder of this family are the tactics of terrorist groups like Hamas and Al-Qaeda not the Israelis. So yeah... I am not blind to events on the Israeli side. But your example of settlers "harassing" Palestinians is hardly the same thing as entering someone's home in the middle of the night and slaughtering young parents and their small children. And Israeli soldiers firing at people launching rockets into their cities is not the same as bus and cafe bombings. C'mon now. You cannot honestly claim there is an equivalence. If the Palestinian terrorists lay down their arms the conflict is over today. Do not attack innocent civilians ?? Do not ethnically cleanse ?? Did you even look at what is at those links? A woman, mother, wife INNOCENT was allowed to die because IDF wouldn't let an ambulance through after causing her injuries by blowing off the door to a family home!!!! A 13 yr old was targeted INTENTIONALLY by an IDF sniper under order to kill her !!! People are forcibly removed from their homes because they are Palestinians to make way for good Israelis !!! Israeli soldiers stating that their orders were to 'cleanse' a neighborhood of Gaza, watching as people left their homes with nothing. Settlers are no more than state sponsored terrorists. Firing into Palestinian fields, homes, forcing Palestinians out of their homes while the IDF, claiming that it protects the civilians on all sides, turns a blind eye !! Again, I read that article you posted. From that article there is no indication that it was indeed terrorists that committed the crime. Indeed the terrorists, who never refuse to take credit for their actions, haven't done so in this case. Will Israel be so quick to apologize or admit error or even make it public if/when they find that this was a case of plain home-grown murder? I doubt it. The pity etc garnered from "Innocents slaughtered in their sleep by terrorists" will be too good to give up. Settlement is not ethnic cleansing. There is no mass murder. Dismantling illegal Palestinian homes is not ethnic cleansing either. Illegal Israeli settlements are also dismantled. Settlers are not terrorists. This is ridiculous. The family is murdered according to tactics popularized by Hamas and Hezbollah and Hamas hands out candy. Even if they are not claiming responsibility in this case, it is clearly a terrorist attack not a robbery. Israel has apologized and admitted errors and prosecuted their own citizens, soldiers and leaders when there have been crimes. So they do not permit such actions. When Hamas completes the same crimes, they are made heroes. That's because Hamas are fighting back against aggressors. That's how poor people engage in war. If they were rich and backed by US funding as the Israeli regime is, they'd use the same tactics that militant zionists use.

karmafury Joined Sun 11/12/06 Posts: 10156	Tue 03/15/11 12:53 AM Edited by karmafury on Tue 03/15/11 12:56 AM
Settlement is not ethnic cleansing. There is no mass murder. Dismantling illegal Palestinian homes is not ethnic cleansing either. Illegal Israeli settlements are also dismantled. Ethnic cleansing... is a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas. hebron settlers and the olive harvest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMA3baJa6tg Racist settler aggression in land stealing operation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5OOGBRHq8A&feature=related Settlers pouring cement into spring.wmv http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZKjdDaZhwc&feature=related Israeli settlers & soldiers intimidate young shepherd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8s8x0h8wA0&feature=related It would seem that it is Israel's turn to cry "lebensraum" and the Palestinians will pay the price for it. Illegal Palestinian homes? Homes that have been in families for 50+ years, built by Palestinians where there was nothing, on land that was not even Israel's before 1967 The extremists claim of 'Biblical ownership' does not hold up. What the Palestinians do is unethical and reprehensible. Settlers are not terrorists. This is ridiculous. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert described the attacks by Jewish settlers on innocent Arabs following the forced evacuation of the disputed Hebron house no less than a pogrom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsEOKpw2T0A Definition of Pogrom: An organized, often officially encouraged massacre or persecution of a minority group, especially one conducted against Jews. Definition of Terrorism under U.S. Law: the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents Settlers throw rocks at Palestinian children. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1ovdA1VZ-c&feature=related http://cpt.org/files/Palestine-School-Accompaniment-Report-2006-2008-Dangerous-Journey.pdf B'Tselem Documents Settler violence against Palestinians http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpHzrrHuGmk&feature=related The Settlers are terrorists.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Tue 03/15/11 04:41 AM
Sure there is propaganda on both sides. But Israelis still do not attack innocent civilians or ethnically cleanse. The military response in Gaza was a response to months and months of Palestinian shelling of Israeli homes. So, yes, the invasion of Gaza was a justified and appropriate response and it stopped the large scale rocket attacks against Israeli citizens too. Bus bombings, cafe massacres, indiscriminate rocket launches targeting families and the latest murder of this family are the tactics of terrorist groups like Hamas and Al-Qaeda not the Israelis. So yeah... I am not blind to events on the Israeli side. But your example of settlers "harassing" Palestinians is hardly the same thing as entering someone's home in the middle of the night and slaughtering young parents and their small children. And Israeli soldiers firing at people launching rockets into their cities is not the same as bus and cafe bombings. C'mon now. You cannot honestly claim there is an equivalence. If the Palestinian terrorists lay down their arms the conflict is over today. Do not attack innocent civilians ?? Do not ethnically cleanse ?? Did you even look at what is at those links? A woman, mother, wife INNOCENT was allowed to die because IDF wouldn't let an ambulance through after causing her injuries by blowing off the door to a family home!!!! A 13 yr old was targeted INTENTIONALLY by an IDF sniper under order to kill her !!! People are forcibly removed from their homes because they are Palestinians to make way for good Israelis !!! Israeli soldiers stating that their orders were to 'cleanse' a neighborhood of Gaza, watching as people left their homes with nothing. Settlers are no more than state sponsored terrorists. Firing into Palestinian fields, homes, forcing Palestinians out of their homes while the IDF, claiming that it protects the civilians on all sides, turns a blind eye !! Again, I read that article you posted. From that article there is no indication that it was indeed terrorists that committed the crime. Indeed the terrorists, who never refuse to take credit for their actions, haven't done so in this case. Will Israel be so quick to apologize or admit error or even make it public if/when they find that this was a case of plain home-grown murder? I doubt it. The pity etc garnered from "Innocents slaughtered in their sleep by terrorists" will be too good to give up. Settlement is not ethnic cleansing. There is no mass murder. Dismantling illegal Palestinian homes is not ethnic cleansing either. Illegal Israeli settlements are also dismantled. Settlers are not terrorists. This is ridiculous. The family is murdered according to tactics popularized by Hamas and Hezbollah and Hamas hands out candy. Even if they are not claiming responsibility in this case, it is clearly a terrorist attack not a robbery. Israel has apologized and admitted errors and prosecuted their own citizens, soldiers and leaders when there have been crimes. So they do not permit such actions. When Hamas completes the same crimes, they are made heroes. That's because Hamas are fighting back against aggressors. That's how poor people engage in war. If they were rich and backed by US funding as the Israeli regime is, they'd use the same tactics that militant zionists use. great point.