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what makes two blocks away from where people died 'sacred'? seriously? what part of america isnt sacred then if thats the criteria,,,, is there ANYPLACE that isnt two blocks away from where someone has died this is one thing that kills me about some 9/11 conspiracy theorists and american patriots,,,,,,this victim comparison that causes them to believe THEIR Dead loved ones are any more 'sacred' than anyone elses. ok, I understand the sentiment AT THE SPOT , but blocks away? get serious folks anyway, there are plenty of unemployed willing to work that job When those buildings fell, don't you think more than a little 2 block area was affected by this? Please the whole WORLD Was AFFECTED, but what has that to do with Ground Zero,,,, 'controversy over the construction of an Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero' from abc news 'But the proposed mosque is not at or on Ground Zero. It does not directly abut it or overlook it. It is near Ground Zero' from politifact.com 'Angry relatives of 9/11 victims last night clashed with supporters of a planned mosque near Ground Zero at a raucous community-board hearing in Manhattan. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nyers_wage_jihad_vs_wtc_mosque_UgJiOBYEhrSOw4Q6hpvbQL#ixzz0xJzEXcPu the plans are NEAR GROUND ZERO, which as far as I know means it isnt in a place people died even but NEAR it to counter the anti muslim sentiment elevated NEAR that area by 9/11 to counter the anti christian sentiment highlighed by the 9/11 terrorists who crashed planes NEAR That area perhaps they will, I dont know the timeline of what has already been done or the financial and physical confines that would be involved at this point but I think it is PRECISELY the anti center/anti muslim sentiment that strengthens the necessity for such a multi faith community center there as Ive compared before, black folks were peace loving and yet they chose to endure the hatred and anti integration sentiment of the communities in which they were sent to school,,,,sometimes bigotry has to be faced even when its a majority who are bigots,,, maybe there is a little bigotry going on, but there is a difference.. back then, with blacks, there was no reason for the stupid way whites acted. it was done in sheer ignorance. nowadays, we have a group that of people that may or may not support global terror. they admittedly said and shown their hatred of us infidels. they are killing people all over the world, and showing no remorse about any of it. they have killed 3000 people here, thousands more in the old Russian nations the just took over, and (forcefully)took over some African nations too. now , even in India, a peaceful democratic nation, they are rioting to take parts of it over. if you want to call me a bigot for not liking these people, be my guest. i do not mind that. I dont get into calling PEOPLE names, I dont know you, anymore than I know the billion plus muslims around the world. I am of the opinion that anti muslim sentiment is a bigoted sentiment and I am saddened everytime I hear it,,,,,just as saddened as when I hear people spreading false attributions between the bible and CHRISTIANS religion doesnt kill people, people kill people, they are motivated sometimes by their PERSONAL interpretation of the bible I feel it preposterous that so many non christians come here and assert what christians feel or why they feel it, and I likewise as a christian would feel preposterous in assuming to know how muslims all feel or even a majority of them there are 1.3 billion muslims, if they wanted war with the west dont you think they have the numbers to achieve it? it is crazy people in all religions and all nationalities that make others look bad it happens when some black folks commit crimes it happens when some americans gets involved in WARS it happens when some mexicans are illegals I dont choose to be judged by the standard of what other blacks or females are doing or not doing, I prefer personal accountablity(that thing people are so often claiming christians dont have) which means I afford that same type of judgement to others muslims are not the sum total of the minority who are crazy anymore than christians or any other minority are .... so your the voice of Christianity? mulims have the numbers over there, and they are building them up over here. we can still easily defeat them with our modern day weapons, and with out allies, we actually have more people than them. India alone is over a billion strong, with one of the biggest militarys in the world. you can defend them(muslims) all you want, but even a small minority of a billion is still a huge number. Im not anyones voice but my own and I believe EVERY HUMAN is their own voice and not the voice of a religion,, every action is someones CHOICE based in their own experience and motive and not the action of a religion we all have choice,, unless people want to start being lumped together by what the worst of any particular group they blong to are doing, I think they should think twice about the judgments they continue to pass on others I understand if its a majority, but these cases are always hyping up the worst situations committed by a slight minority of a group |
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willing2
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I understand if its a majority, but these cases are always hyping up the worst situations committed by a slight minority of a group Slight minority bein' maybe just a few hundred million? 
People are opposing the building of this Mosque NEAR Ground Zero, as they feel it's insensitive for the family members, suvivors and the dead. While I believe people have the right to practice any religion they see fit, I don't see how building a Muslim "Cultural Center" in the shadows of Ground Zero could benefit anyone. I know I personally wouldn't want to hear the call to prayer if I had lived through that horrific day. Additionally, the Greek Orthodox Church which stood across the street and was leveled on 9/11 has yet to be rebuilt due to issues with the Port Authority and the Height They wanted their Spire to be. They were told by the PA, the spire could be no higher than the Memorial {which is rather funny as of this date there is no memorial}. However, the Mosque at 15 stories will certainly be higher than the memorial they are planning. People are also fired up because if the proposed opening date, 9/11/11, the tenth anniversary. The wounds are too raw. If you cannot understand human emotion I feel sorry for you. |
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9/11 was tragic and sad, but at some point people are gonna have to get over it, was nearly 10 years ago now, how long will it take?
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9/11 was tragic and sad, but at some point people are gonna have to get over it, was nearly 10 years ago now, how long will it take? Just as soon as England gets over the thought the Sun will never set on their Empire. |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Mon 08/23/10 07:04 AM
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god enough with the lebanon crap.....are we fighting lebanon?? NO! holy crap...our forces are in Iraq and afghanistan fighting...bigotry you say??? if I'm i bigit then you are a terrorist sympathizer. like i said before...anyone here who doesn't support us troops...feel free to stand in front of us...tell the terrorists your wishes for peace and love and see if they hear you. these comments are actually giving me a migrane. You need to seriously brush up on your military history...the lebanon and israel thing....lol is all i gotta say...In ww2 the U.S supplied britan and more with weapons etc...nobody complained then.....when we were killing nazi terrorists. you have contradicted yourself several times here. and it is because your perception of what is happening around you is severely flawed. at least I aknowledge that I dont KNOW EVERY atrocity committed and by whom , and I certainly dont try to take the higher ground by labeling groups of people terrorists just by their religious or national association,,, I have military in my family too, one of which is a very well read doctor and he DOES know plenty about history and would agree with me that the US has condoned attacks on muslims in the past, which would by all measures in these threads make their retaliation just as human and 'understandable' as ours we say, they attacked our lands and deserve retaliation,, well they say the same thing, their plans took longer to implement than it takes us to load planes and go bomb people though two sides of the same coin,,, I do not think that it is fair to say that we have condoned attacks on Muslims in the past. Muslims have all the same rights as any other religion here (or in Israel too for that matter) no attack is tolerated on the basis of religion either place. In any case there is NO EXCUSE for the WTC bombings. It is NOT two sides of the same coin.... It is more like "they dissed me so I shot them and everybody in their neighborhood while they were at the picnic". Is this reasonable?
I think not. I think many think the funding and support of their loved ones deaths is just a 'diss' they wanted us to 'taste our own medicine' just like I hear americans verbalizing daily about them,,,,,,call it karma, call it what goes around keeps going around,,but if there was any reason for us to go to Iraq, there was equal reason for extremists to come here it is not jusification, it is BOTH sides sharing responsibility for the deaths of others and needing to own up to it instead of simply owning the victim role and pointing at eah other But what you suggest is patently FALSE. We do NOT fund and support the "killing of their loved ones". Such a broad statement is groundless. No one here (or in Israel for that matter) rejoices at killing anyone. Their military actions are not aimed at killing people - especially civilians. We go out of our way to AVOID civilian casualties and protect life. What you hear from the radical Islamist false narrative is that Islam is somehow being "kept down" by the West. This is the kind of ridiculous (also false) diss that I was talking about. So - to be honest, this could never be a "taste of our own medicine" as you put it. Otherwise they would also go out of their way to AVOID civilian casualties rather then cause them intentionally on a mass murder scale. Your apparent defense of these tactics saddens me. We went to Iraq and attacked them because there was hard evidence that Saddam was using weapons of mass destruction - chemical and biological weapons against people and that he had aggressively pursued nuclear weapons also and that he was funding terrorist attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah) and that because he refused to cooperate with the international communities attempts to monitor and prevent use of weapons of mass destruction. Saddam had also repeatedly threatened the U.S. and these threats were taken seriously given his use of chemicals on the Kurds, his attempted nuclear weapons development, and his enthusiasm for funding terrorists. Yes our intel was bad. But all of the above reasons were still legit. At any rate it certainly was not to kill Muslims or any civilians. So once again there is a glaring difference. On the other hand, the WTC bombings had one purpose and one purpose only. To kill as many innocent civilians as possible in the most public and inflammatory flamboyant manner as possible. lol, oh you mean when we were trying to HELP IRAQ defeat Iran and the help was used on more 'unacceptable' targets?... more of that high road nonsense,,,,if you ask me HUH?? I thought you were talking about the US war with Iraq. But now you are talking about earlier when we were assisting Iraq in their war with Iran? OK - we helped Iraq, Yes. Because they were engaged in a fight with Iran and we did not want Iran to overrun the region after the hostage crisis... Our assisting Saddam at that point in time still does not justify Al-Qaeda in kidnapping 4 airliners and ramming them into our occupied buildings and the pentagon and the ground in Pa. Pretty weak.... no,, whats pretty weak is the continued refusal to aknowledge our own complicity in the deaths of others and how THEIR loved ones just might have had the same reaction many here have about 9/11 and been able to justify to themself doing something about it I was responding to this paragraph,,btw 'We went to Iraq and attacked them because there was hard evidence that Saddam was using weapons of mass destruction - chemical and biological weapons against people and that he had aggressively pursued nuclear weapons also and that he was funding terrorist attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah) and that because he refused to cooperate with the international communities attempts to monitor and prevent use of weapons of mass destruction. ' We do not target women and children. We are not terrorists. We fight wars but terrorism such as attacks on civilians like what happened in 911 is considered war-crimes. One must understand the difference between war and war-crimes. War is evil - a necessary evil sometimes to protect freedom. War crimes such as the WTC attacks, bus bombings, cafe bombings, and indiscriminate firing of rockets into cities to kill innocent people are so heinous that they are considered crimes even in war. I understand the difference and would never accept any reasoning to support war crimes. I freely acknowledge our responsibility for going to war. But I will not condone terrorism as a valid form of warfare or political protest. It is inhuman and considerably beyond the hell of war. Those who seek to justify terrorism must be confronted relentlessly and consistently lest all future political disputes turn into unending slaughter of innocent bystanders. one persons 'war' is anothers 'occupation' and anothers 'terrorism' government gets to define which is which, but all those who die have loved ones mourning them who dont care what someone else determined as just or not Oh for Pete's sake! Checkpoints are not the same as gunfire or bus bombings. Hijacking a planeload of travelers and ramming them into offices is NOT the same as a military conflict. Define "War Crimes". Really. Look it up. Consider what makes a war crime so abhorrent. War is bad enough however terrorism is so bad that all civilized peoples agree that they are crimes too vile and inhuman to be acceptable even in warfare. My God think of what you are saying here! 
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I understand if its a majority, but these cases are always hyping up the worst situations committed by a slight minority of a group Slight minority bein' maybe just a few hundred million?
People are opposing the building of this Mosque NEAR Ground Zero, as they feel it's insensitive for the family members, suvivors and the dead. While I believe people have the right to practice any religion they see fit, I don't see how building a Muslim "Cultural Center" in the shadows of Ground Zero could benefit anyone. I know I personally wouldn't want to hear the call to prayer if I had lived through that horrific day. Additionally, the Greek Orthodox Church which stood across the street and was leveled on 9/11 has yet to be rebuilt due to issues with the Port Authority and the Height They wanted their Spire to be. They were told by the PA, the spire could be no higher than the Memorial {which is rather funny as of this date there is no memorial}. However, the Mosque at 15 stories will certainly be higher than the memorial they are planning. People are also fired up because if the proposed opening date, 9/11/11, the tenth anniversary. The wounds are too raw. If you cannot understand human emotion I feel sorry for you. ego, pain, and vengeance are all human emotions,, I understand emotions just fine |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 08/23/10 10:03 AM
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god enough with the lebanon crap.....are we fighting lebanon?? NO! holy crap...our forces are in Iraq and afghanistan fighting...bigotry you say??? if I'm i bigit then you are a terrorist sympathizer. like i said before...anyone here who doesn't support us troops...feel free to stand in front of us...tell the terrorists your wishes for peace and love and see if they hear you. these comments are actually giving me a migrane. You need to seriously brush up on your military history...the lebanon and israel thing....lol is all i gotta say...In ww2 the U.S supplied britan and more with weapons etc...nobody complained then.....when we were killing nazi terrorists. you have contradicted yourself several times here. and it is because your perception of what is happening around you is severely flawed. at least I aknowledge that I dont KNOW EVERY atrocity committed and by whom , and I certainly dont try to take the higher ground by labeling groups of people terrorists just by their religious or national association,,, I have military in my family too, one of which is a very well read doctor and he DOES know plenty about history and would agree with me that the US has condoned attacks on muslims in the past, which would by all measures in these threads make their retaliation just as human and 'understandable' as ours we say, they attacked our lands and deserve retaliation,, well they say the same thing, their plans took longer to implement than it takes us to load planes and go bomb people though two sides of the same coin,,, I do not think that it is fair to say that we have condoned attacks on Muslims in the past. Muslims have all the same rights as any other religion here (or in Israel too for that matter) no attack is tolerated on the basis of religion either place. In any case there is NO EXCUSE for the WTC bombings. It is NOT two sides of the same coin.... It is more like "they dissed me so I shot them and everybody in their neighborhood while they were at the picnic". Is this reasonable?
I think not. I think many think the funding and support of their loved ones deaths is just a 'diss' they wanted us to 'taste our own medicine' just like I hear americans verbalizing daily about them,,,,,,call it karma, call it what goes around keeps going around,,but if there was any reason for us to go to Iraq, there was equal reason for extremists to come here it is not jusification, it is BOTH sides sharing responsibility for the deaths of others and needing to own up to it instead of simply owning the victim role and pointing at eah other But what you suggest is patently FALSE. We do NOT fund and support the "killing of their loved ones". Such a broad statement is groundless. No one here (or in Israel for that matter) rejoices at killing anyone. Their military actions are not aimed at killing people - especially civilians. We go out of our way to AVOID civilian casualties and protect life. What you hear from the radical Islamist false narrative is that Islam is somehow being "kept down" by the West. This is the kind of ridiculous (also false) diss that I was talking about. So - to be honest, this could never be a "taste of our own medicine" as you put it. Otherwise they would also go out of their way to AVOID civilian casualties rather then cause them intentionally on a mass murder scale. Your apparent defense of these tactics saddens me. We went to Iraq and attacked them because there was hard evidence that Saddam was using weapons of mass destruction - chemical and biological weapons against people and that he had aggressively pursued nuclear weapons also and that he was funding terrorist attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah) and that because he refused to cooperate with the international communities attempts to monitor and prevent use of weapons of mass destruction. Saddam had also repeatedly threatened the U.S. and these threats were taken seriously given his use of chemicals on the Kurds, his attempted nuclear weapons development, and his enthusiasm for funding terrorists. Yes our intel was bad. But all of the above reasons were still legit. At any rate it certainly was not to kill Muslims or any civilians. So once again there is a glaring difference. On the other hand, the WTC bombings had one purpose and one purpose only. To kill as many innocent civilians as possible in the most public and inflammatory flamboyant manner as possible. lol, oh you mean when we were trying to HELP IRAQ defeat Iran and the help was used on more 'unacceptable' targets?... more of that high road nonsense,,,,if you ask me HUH?? I thought you were talking about the US war with Iraq. But now you are talking about earlier when we were assisting Iraq in their war with Iran? OK - we helped Iraq, Yes. Because they were engaged in a fight with Iran and we did not want Iran to overrun the region after the hostage crisis... Our assisting Saddam at that point in time still does not justify Al-Qaeda in kidnapping 4 airliners and ramming them into our occupied buildings and the pentagon and the ground in Pa. Pretty weak.... no,, whats pretty weak is the continued refusal to aknowledge our own complicity in the deaths of others and how THEIR loved ones just might have had the same reaction many here have about 9/11 and been able to justify to themself doing something about it I was responding to this paragraph,,btw 'We went to Iraq and attacked them because there was hard evidence that Saddam was using weapons of mass destruction - chemical and biological weapons against people and that he had aggressively pursued nuclear weapons also and that he was funding terrorist attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah) and that because he refused to cooperate with the international communities attempts to monitor and prevent use of weapons of mass destruction. ' We do not target women and children. We are not terrorists. We fight wars but terrorism such as attacks on civilians like what happened in 911 is considered war-crimes. One must understand the difference between war and war-crimes. War is evil - a necessary evil sometimes to protect freedom. War crimes such as the WTC attacks, bus bombings, cafe bombings, and indiscriminate firing of rockets into cities to kill innocent people are so heinous that they are considered crimes even in war. I understand the difference and would never accept any reasoning to support war crimes. I freely acknowledge our responsibility for going to war. But I will not condone terrorism as a valid form of warfare or political protest. It is inhuman and considerably beyond the hell of war. Those who seek to justify terrorism must be confronted relentlessly and consistently lest all future political disputes turn into unending slaughter of innocent bystanders. one persons 'war' is anothers 'occupation' and anothers 'terrorism' government gets to define which is which, but all those who die have loved ones mourning them who dont care what someone else determined as just or not Oh for Pete's sake! Checkpoints are not the same as gunfire or bus bombings. Hijacking a planeload of travelers and ramming them into offices is NOT the same as a military conflict. Define "War Crimes". Really. Look it up. Consider what makes a war crime so abhorrent. War is bad enough however terrorism is so bad that all civilized peoples agree that they are crimes too vile and inhuman to be acceptable even in warfare. My God think of what you are saying here!
I do think about it,, perhaps we should be more honest about what we MAY have been involved in everyone is so quick to deny its possible that we have caused innocent people harm or at the very least allowed harm to innocents, funded harm to innocents, or supplied the arms to harm innocents,,, I mentioned nothing about specifics like checkpoints and war crimes, IM talking about those nations we FUND and supply weapons who use them to kill others WITH OUR APPROVAL or the UNS approval not everyone who gets attacked has caused anyone else any harm,, some are just attached to property that a more powerful entity wants claim to,,, its WAR because a government declares it part of a war 'like this war on terror, like the war on drugs' , but that doesnt make it any better than the 'wars' declared by others |
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" ... we all have choice,, unless people want to start being lumped together by what the worst of any particular group they blong to are doing, I think they should think twice about the judgments they continue to pass on others ... " Life is about CHOICE and CONSEQUENCE. It has nothing to do with the fiction of 'reward and punishment'. This group KNOWS what it's CHOOSING to do. They want to erect a muslim MILITARY VICTORY MONUMENT as close to the site of their MILITARY VICTORY of 11 Sept 2001 as possible. It is a DIRECT INSULT to the memory of those who DIED in that attack, and it is MEANT to be an insult. The word is ... 'Dhimmi' ... The PEOPLE of AMERICA and NEW YORK CITY have already assessed the CHOICE the 'muslim community' [sic] has made and said 'Screw you and the horse you rode in on!' ... That's what it's all about. Oh - the 'community center's bank account currently has a net worth of under $19,000 from 'collections' in the 'community' - yet they plan to build a $100 MILLION building ... ? Who's putting up the cashola? Say 'Saudi Arabia', 'Syria', "Iran' ... |
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" ... we all have choice,, unless people want to start being lumped together by what the worst of any particular group they blong to are doing, I think they should think twice about the judgments they continue to pass on others ... " Life is about CHOICE and CONSEQUENCE. It has nothing to do with the fiction of 'reward and punishment'. This group KNOWS what it's CHOOSING to do. They want to erect a muslim MILITARY VICTORY MONUMENT as close to the site of their MILITARY VICTORY of 11 Sept 2001 as possible. It is a DIRECT INSULT to the memory of those who DIED in that attack, and it is MEANT to be an insult. The word is ... 'Dhimmi' ... The PEOPLE of AMERICA and NEW YORK CITY have already assessed the CHOICE the 'muslim community' [sic] has made and said 'Screw you and the horse you rode in on!' ... That's what it's all about. Oh - the 'community center's bank account currently has a net worth of under $19,000 from 'collections' in the 'community' - yet they plan to build a $100 MILLION building ... ? Who's putting up the cashola? Say 'Saudi Arabia', 'Syria', "Iran' ... IM ALL IN< Im for complete transparency,,,lets make it ALL public knwoledge,,, Id love to know the source of ALL funds which make political campaigns possible, promote celebrities to celebrity status, Id love to know where every penny that funds the news broadcasts, the television networks, the buildings and structures in America, ,,,,come from I say we put an elite list together too, of all those who come up with funds that are ONLY from places we approve of,,,, LETS DO THIS PEOPLE<,, 
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Edited by
s1owhand
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one persons 'war' is anothers 'occupation' and anothers 'terrorism' government gets to define which is which, but all those who die have loved ones mourning them who dont care what someone else determined as just or not Oh for Pete's sake! Checkpoints are not the same as gunfire or bus bombings. Hijacking a planeload of travelers and ramming them into offices is NOT the same as a military conflict. Define "War Crimes". Really. Look it up. Consider what makes a war crime so abhorrent. War is bad enough however terrorism is so bad that all civilized peoples agree that they are crimes too vile and inhuman to be acceptable even in warfare. My God think of what you are saying here!
I do think about it,, perhaps we should be more honest about what we MAY have been involved in everyone is so quick to deny its possible that we have caused innocent people harm or at the very least allowed harm to innocents, funded harm to innocents, or supplied the arms to harm innocents,,, I mentioned nothing about specifics like checkpoints and war crimes, IM talking about those nations we FUND and supply weapons who use them to kill others WITH OUR APPROVAL or the UNS approval not everyone who gets attacked has caused anyone else any harm,, some are just attached to property that a more powerful entity wants claim to,,, its WAR because a government declares it part of a war 'like this war on terror, like the war on drugs' , but that doesnt make it any better than the 'wars' declared by others But here is the problem. War is NOT the same thing as terrorism. That is why I said you need to look up War Crimes. Yes innocent people get killed in war but when it happens "ON PURPOSE" it is a War Crime. You talked about terrorism as a response to "occupation". Occupation may not be desirable but it is not the same thing as killing. It is checkpoints. Occupation is limiting the amount of political autonomy and certainly limiting the military autonomy of the occupied party. But it is not the same thing as lining people up and shooting them. Terrorism is the same thing as lining people up and shooting them. There is simply no comparison. For example, one may not like to have an intrusive inspection before boarding an airplane. It is an invasion of personal privacy. Some find it degrading. It wastes time. It is a checkpoint. You cannot go onto the plane without presenting the right documents and allowing yourself to be scanned for explosives. This is exactly what happens under "Occupation". But, having to undergo many personal inspections would never be justification for randomly killing large numbers of people! We have never APPROVED of terrorism and neither has the UN. You cannot equate military action used to stop rocket fire into cities or the detention of suicide bombers to 911. Read about war versus war crimes and understand the difference. I'm talking about real military actions. When there is a foe who is actively trying to harm you - shooting at you - plotting attacks on homes and schools. When someone declares that they have the intention to "wipe you off the map" and aims weapons. Such people must be confronted in defense of your freedom - in self defense. The U.S. does not shoot at people without serious and well documented provocation with deadly force. But when we must act to protect ourselves then we do so swiftly and effectively and with as little damage to innocent civilians as possible. Same is true for Israel. If their attackers laid down their weapons there would be immediate peace. Contrast this with the tactics of Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda and Taliban. They intentionally try to kill as many innocent civilians as possible in their terrorist attacks. This is not at all the same thing and it never will be.... Iran funds Hezbollah just as Iraq used to fund bombers in the West Bank and Gaza. This is the difference between war and war crimes - between legitimate self-defense and terrorism. |
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If we build it, they will come...............LOL
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Edited by
Kings_Knight
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Mon 08/23/10 11:15 AM
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" ... I say we put an elite list together too, of all those who come up with funds that are ONLY from places we approve of,,,, " Hmm ... still havin' trouble with that whole 'reality' thing, huh ... ? See, the DIFFERENCE here is that the places I named are all places that HATE us and whose little Throatcutter Juniors would all gladly slice us in our sleep - even tho' they'd prefer using a Stihl chainsaw on our tender little necks at slow speed ... why? 'Cuz we're 'Infidels' ... it has NOTHING to do with the fictitious list of 'places we approve of' ... there are more places that don't 'approve' of US - in case that escaped notice ... " ... If we build it, they will come...............LOL ... " How 'bout ... "If THEY build it, WE will come ... " .. ? |
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Edited by
msharmony
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" ... I say we put an elite list together too, of all those who come up with funds that are ONLY from places we approve of,,,, " Hmm ... still havin' trouble with that whole 'reality' thing, huh ... ? See, the DIFFERENCE here is that the places I named are all places that HATE us and whose little Throatcutter Juniors would all gladly slice us in our sleep - even tho' they'd prefer using a Stihl chainsaw on our tender little necks at slow speed ... why? 'Cuz we're 'Infidels' ... it has NOTHING to do with the fictitious list of 'places we approve of' ... there are more places that don't 'approve' of US - in case that escaped notice ... " ... If we build it, they will come...............LOL ... " How 'bout ... "If THEY build it, WE will come ... " .. ? hate is a strong word, how do you prove such an assertion? are you privvy to information that would PROVE the americans planning to build the center hate us? If they hate us, why would they welcome everyone at the center? interesting discrepancies,,, oh, I forgot about the amazing psychic powers in these threads, and the amazing ability to know how people one has never MET feel about them is something thats hard to debate with any reality or logic,,, |
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" ... hate is a strong word, how do you prove such an assertion? ... "  See ya ...
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The Japanese are our friends now. Several of their sailors and pilots lost their lives in their heroic attack on Pearl Harbor! Their bodies were never recovered. Perhaps we should erect a proud memorial to their loss of life in the water adjacent to the Battleship Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor.
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The Japanese are our friends now. Several of their sailors and pilots lost their lives in their heroic attack on Pearl Harbor! Their bodies were never recovered. Perhaps we should erect a proud memorial to their loss of life in the water adjacent to the Battleship Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor. who is building a memorial, besides americans,,,,its a community center,,, |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Fri 08/27/10 06:43 AM
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The Japanese are our friends now. Several of their sailors and pilots lost their lives in their heroic attack on Pearl Harbor! Their bodies were never recovered. Perhaps we should erect a proud memorial to their loss of life in the water adjacent to the Battleship Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor. who is building a memorial, besides americans,,,,its a community center,,, It is an Islamic Center and Mosque. Americans are not funding it see Peccy's post: http://www.mingle2.com/topic/show/282694 And whether the builders and supporters see it as a memorial or not, most Americans see it as a kind of memorial and this is at the heart of the issue. It has become an "in your face" type of affront for both sides. The issue is a lightning rod for religious and social friction. It is no mystery why people are offended. People do not wish to see a multistory Islamic Center built adjacent to the site of the worst Islamic terrorist massacre in the world. This is not primarily bigotry as has been claimed by some although it is fuel for some bigots. No one is blaming Muslims in general or trying to punish Muslims in general. But it is a mass grave and the perpetrators did it in the name of Islam so it is s sensitive location now where most Americans do not want to see a large Islamic complex erected next to the ashes of thousands killed in the name of Islam. This is not puzzling. |
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The Japanese are our friends now. Several of their sailors and pilots lost their lives in their heroic attack on Pearl Harbor! Their bodies were never recovered. Perhaps we should erect a proud memorial to their loss of life in the water adjacent to the Battleship Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor. who is building a memorial, besides americans,,,,its a community center,,, If you consider the funding, it probably is not "American" built. The main problem is that many, many, many people see this project as a memorial, not a community center. That was the point of my satire. It doesn't matter who builds it (in the case of the Japanese Pearl Harbor Memorial, we were building it also). Community centers bring people together. The NY project does the opposite... as would the Japanese Pearl Harbor example. |
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An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Brotherhood in North America
by Mohamed Akram May 19, 1991 View the full document Summary: This May 1991 memo was written by Mohamed Akram, a.k.a. Mohamed Adlouni, for the Shura Council of the Muslim Brotherhood. In the introductory letter, Akram referenced a "long-term plan…approved and adopted" by the Shura Council in 1987 and proposed this memo as a supplement to that plan and requested that the memo be added to the agenda for an upcoming Council meeting. Appended to the document is a list of all Muslim Brotherhood organizations in North America as of 1991. Notable quotes: * Enablement of Islam in North America, meaning: establishing an effective and stable Islamic Movement led by the Muslim Brotherhood which adopts Muslims' causes domestically and globally, and which works to expand the observant Muslim base, aims at unifying and directing Muslims' efforts, presents Islam as a civilization alternative, and supports the global Islamic state, wherever it is. * In order for Islam and its Movement to become "a part of the homeland" in which it lives, "stable" in its land, "rooted" in the spirits and minds of its people, "enabled" in the live [sic] of its society and has firmly-established "organizations" on which the Islamic structure is built and with which the testimony of civilization is achieved, the Movement must plan and struggle to obtain "the keys" and the tools of this process in carry [sic] out this grand mission as a "Civilization Jihadist" responsibility which lies on the shoulders of Muslims and – on top of them – the Muslim Brotherhood in this country. * The process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Process" with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who chose to slack. But, would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal. Read more at: http://www.investigativeproject.org/document/id/20 |
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Well, NOW you've done it ... you're using their own documents and their own words to expose 'em for who and what they are ... that's not gonna sit well with the 'touchy-feely / warm fuzzy feelgood' types, y' know ... they're all about that 'piece 'n lub' thing - which is a neat concept, but it never works out in real life ... You are SO in for it now ...
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