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god enough with the lebanon crap.....are we fighting lebanon?? NO! holy crap...our forces are in Iraq and afghanistan fighting...bigotry you say??? if I'm i bigit then you are a terrorist sympathizer. like i said before...anyone here who doesn't support us troops...feel free to stand in front of us...tell the terrorists your wishes for peace and love and see if they hear you. these comments are actually giving me a migrane. You need to seriously brush up on your military history...the lebanon and israel thing....lol is all i gotta say...In ww2 the U.S supplied britan and more with weapons etc...nobody complained then.....when we were killing nazi terrorists. you have contradicted yourself several times here. and it is because your perception of what is happening around you is severely flawed. at least I aknowledge that I dont KNOW EVERY atrocity committed and by whom , and I certainly dont try to take the higher ground by labeling groups of people terrorists just by their religious or national association,,, I have military in my family too, one of which is a very well read doctor and he DOES know plenty about history and would agree with me that the US has condoned attacks on muslims in the past, which would by all measures in these threads make their retaliation just as human and 'understandable' as ours we say, they attacked our lands and deserve retaliation,, well they say the same thing, their plans took longer to implement than it takes us to load planes and go bomb people though two sides of the same coin,,, I do not think that it is fair to say that we have condoned attacks on Muslims in the past. Muslims have all the same rights as any other religion here (or in Israel too for that matter) no attack is tolerated on the basis of religion either place. In any case there is NO EXCUSE for the WTC bombings. It is NOT two sides of the same coin.... It is more like "they dissed me so I shot them and everybody in their neighborhood while they were at the picnic". Is this reasonable? 
I think not. I think many think the funding and support of their loved ones deaths is just a 'diss' they wanted us to 'taste our own medicine' just like I hear americans verbalizing daily about them,,,,,,call it karma, call it what goes around keeps going around,,but if there was any reason for us to go to Iraq, there was equal reason for extremists to come here it is not jusification, it is BOTH sides sharing responsibility for the deaths of others and needing to own up to it instead of simply owning the victim role and pointing at eah other But what you suggest is patently FALSE. We do NOT fund and support the "killing of their loved ones". Such a broad statement is groundless. No one here (or in Israel for that matter) rejoices at killing anyone. Their military actions are not aimed at killing people - especially civilians. We go out of our way to AVOID civilian casualties and protect life. What you hear from the radical Islamist false narrative is that Islam is somehow being "kept down" by the West. This is the kind of ridiculous (also false) diss that I was talking about. So - to be honest, this could never be a "taste of our own medicine" as you put it. Otherwise they would also go out of their way to AVOID civilian casualties rather then cause them intentionally on a mass murder scale. Your apparent defense of these tactics saddens me. We went to Iraq and attacked them because there was hard evidence that Saddam was using weapons of mass destruction - chemical and biological weapons against people and that he had aggressively pursued nuclear weapons also and that he was funding terrorist attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah) and that because he refused to cooperate with the international communities attempts to monitor and prevent use of weapons of mass destruction. Saddam had also repeatedly threatened the U.S. and these threats were taken seriously given his use of chemicals on the Kurds, his attempted nuclear weapons development, and his enthusiasm for funding terrorists. Yes our intel was bad. But all of the above reasons were still legit. At any rate it certainly was not to kill Muslims or any civilians. So once again there is a glaring difference. On the other hand, the WTC bombings had one purpose and one purpose only. To kill as many innocent civilians as possible in the most public and inflammatory flamboyant manner as possible. lol, oh you mean when we were trying to HELP IRAQ defeat Iran and the help was used on more 'unacceptable' targets?... more of that high road nonsense,,,,if you ask me |
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People unfit for freedom - who cannot do much with it - are hungry for power. The desire for freedom is an attribute of a "have" type of self. It says: leave me alone and I shall grow, learn, and realize my capacities. The desire for power is basically an attribute of a "have not" type of self.
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what makes two blocks away from where people died 'sacred'? seriously? what part of america isnt sacred then if thats the criteria,,,, is there ANYPLACE that isnt two blocks away from where someone has died this is one thing that kills me about some 9/11 conspiracy theorists and american patriots,,,,,,this victim comparison that causes them to believe THEIR Dead loved ones are any more 'sacred' than anyone elses. ok, I understand the sentiment AT THE SPOT , but blocks away? get serious folks anyway, there are plenty of unemployed willing to work that job When those buildings fell, don't you think more than a little 2 block area was affected by this? Please the whole WORLD Was AFFECTED, but what has that to do with Ground Zero,,,, 'controversy over the construction of an Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero' from abc news 'But the proposed mosque is not at or on Ground Zero. It does not directly abut it or overlook it. It is near Ground Zero' from politifact.com 'Angry relatives of 9/11 victims last night clashed with supporters of a planned mosque near Ground Zero at a raucous community-board hearing in Manhattan. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nyers_wage_jihad_vs_wtc_mosque_UgJiOBYEhrSOw4Q6hpvbQL#ixzz0xJzEXcPu the plans are NEAR GROUND ZERO, which as far as I know means it isnt in a place people died even but NEAR it to counter the anti muslim sentiment elevated NEAR that area by 9/11 to counter the anti christian sentiment highlighed by the 9/11 terrorists who crashed planes NEAR That area perhaps they will, I dont know the timeline of what has already been done or the financial and physical confines that would be involved at this point but I think it is PRECISELY the anti center/anti muslim sentiment that strengthens the necessity for such a multi faith community center there as Ive compared before, black folks were peace loving and yet they chose to endure the hatred and anti integration sentiment of the communities in which they were sent to school,,,,sometimes bigotry has to be faced even when its a majority who are bigots,,, |
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" ... but I think it is PRECISELY the anti center/anti muslim sentiment that strengthens the necessity for such a multi faith community center there ... " All of which demonstrates a complete LACK of understanding that this fictional 'mosque' is in reality a MILITARY VICTORY MONUMENT to the islamophiles ... it has NOTHING to do with 'multi-faith' or crap like that ... stay awake in class ... |
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" ... but I think it is PRECISELY the anti center/anti muslim sentiment that strengthens the necessity for such a multi faith community center there ... " All of which demonstrates a complete LACK of understanding that this fictional 'mosque' is in reality a MILITARY VICTORY MONUMENT to the islamophiles ... it has NOTHING to do with 'multi-faith' or crap like that ... stay awake in class ... really? which is why it is a multi faith center in which a MOSQUE is only a small portion of the construction,,,,,,Im awake and quire saddened by how many are sleepwalking through all the crap media feeds them,,,, |
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what makes two blocks away from where people died 'sacred'? seriously? what part of america isnt sacred then if thats the criteria,,,, is there ANYPLACE that isnt two blocks away from where someone has died this is one thing that kills me about some 9/11 conspiracy theorists and american patriots,,,,,,this victim comparison that causes them to believe THEIR Dead loved ones are any more 'sacred' than anyone elses. ok, I understand the sentiment AT THE SPOT , but blocks away? get serious folks anyway, there are plenty of unemployed willing to work that job When those buildings fell, don't you think more than a little 2 block area was affected by this? Please the whole WORLD Was AFFECTED, but what has that to do with Ground Zero,,,, 'controversy over the construction of an Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero' from abc news 'But the proposed mosque is not at or on Ground Zero. It does not directly abut it or overlook it. It is near Ground Zero' from politifact.com 'Angry relatives of 9/11 victims last night clashed with supporters of a planned mosque near Ground Zero at a raucous community-board hearing in Manhattan. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nyers_wage_jihad_vs_wtc_mosque_UgJiOBYEhrSOw4Q6hpvbQL#ixzz0xJzEXcPu the plans are NEAR GROUND ZERO, which as far as I know means it isnt in a place people died even but NEAR it to counter the anti muslim sentiment elevated NEAR that area by 9/11 to counter the anti christian sentiment highlighed by the 9/11 terrorists who crashed planes NEAR That area perhaps they will, I dont know the timeline of what has already been done or the financial and physical confines that would be involved at this point but I think it is PRECISELY the anti center/anti muslim sentiment that strengthens the necessity for such a multi faith community center there as Ive compared before, black folks were peace loving and yet they chose to endure the hatred and anti integration sentiment of the communities in which they were sent to school,,,,sometimes bigotry has to be faced even when its a majority who are bigots,,, maybe there is a little bigotry going on, but there is a difference.. back then, with blacks, there was no reason for the stupid way whites acted. it was done in sheer ignorance. nowadays, we have a group that of people that may or may not support global terror. they admittedly said and shown their hatred of us infidels. they are killing people all over the world, and showing no remorse about any of it. they have killed 3000 people here, thousands more in the old Russian nations the just took over, and (forcefully)took over some African nations too. now , even in India, a peaceful democratic nation, they are rioting to take parts of it over. if you want to call me a bigot for not liking these people, be my guest. i do not mind that. |
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what makes two blocks away from where people died 'sacred'? seriously? what part of america isnt sacred then if thats the criteria,,,, is there ANYPLACE that isnt two blocks away from where someone has died this is one thing that kills me about some 9/11 conspiracy theorists and american patriots,,,,,,this victim comparison that causes them to believe THEIR Dead loved ones are any more 'sacred' than anyone elses. ok, I understand the sentiment AT THE SPOT , but blocks away? get serious folks anyway, there are plenty of unemployed willing to work that job When those buildings fell, don't you think more than a little 2 block area was affected by this? Please the whole WORLD Was AFFECTED, but what has that to do with Ground Zero,,,, 'controversy over the construction of an Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero' from abc news 'But the proposed mosque is not at or on Ground Zero. It does not directly abut it or overlook it. It is near Ground Zero' from politifact.com 'Angry relatives of 9/11 victims last night clashed with supporters of a planned mosque near Ground Zero at a raucous community-board hearing in Manhattan. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nyers_wage_jihad_vs_wtc_mosque_UgJiOBYEhrSOw4Q6hpvbQL#ixzz0xJzEXcPu the plans are NEAR GROUND ZERO, which as far as I know means it isnt in a place people died even but NEAR it to counter the anti muslim sentiment elevated NEAR that area by 9/11 to counter the anti christian sentiment highlighed by the 9/11 terrorists who crashed planes NEAR That area perhaps they will, I dont know the timeline of what has already been done or the financial and physical confines that would be involved at this point but I think it is PRECISELY the anti center/anti muslim sentiment that strengthens the necessity for such a multi faith community center there as Ive compared before, black folks were peace loving and yet they chose to endure the hatred and anti integration sentiment of the communities in which they were sent to school,,,,sometimes bigotry has to be faced even when its a majority who are bigots,,, maybe there is a little bigotry going on, but there is a difference.. back then, with blacks, there was no reason for the stupid way whites acted. it was done in sheer ignorance. nowadays, we have a group that of people that may or may not support global terror. they admittedly said and shown their hatred of us infidels. they are killing people all over the world, and showing no remorse about any of it. they have killed 3000 people here, thousands more in the old Russian nations the just took over, and (forcefully)took over some African nations too. now , even in India, a peaceful democratic nation, they are rioting to take parts of it over. if you want to call me a bigot for not liking these people, be my guest. i do not mind that. I dont get into calling PEOPLE names, I dont know you, anymore than I know the billion plus muslims around the world. I am of the opinion that anti muslim sentiment is a bigoted sentiment and I am saddened everytime I hear it,,,,,just as saddened as when I hear people spreading false attributions between the bible and CHRISTIANS |
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what makes two blocks away from where people died 'sacred'? seriously? what part of america isnt sacred then if thats the criteria,,,, is there ANYPLACE that isnt two blocks away from where someone has died this is one thing that kills me about some 9/11 conspiracy theorists and american patriots,,,,,,this victim comparison that causes them to believe THEIR Dead loved ones are any more 'sacred' than anyone elses. ok, I understand the sentiment AT THE SPOT , but blocks away? get serious folks anyway, there are plenty of unemployed willing to work that job When those buildings fell, don't you think more than a little 2 block area was affected by this? Please the whole WORLD Was AFFECTED, but what has that to do with Ground Zero,,,, 'controversy over the construction of an Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero' from abc news 'But the proposed mosque is not at or on Ground Zero. It does not directly abut it or overlook it. It is near Ground Zero' from politifact.com 'Angry relatives of 9/11 victims last night clashed with supporters of a planned mosque near Ground Zero at a raucous community-board hearing in Manhattan. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nyers_wage_jihad_vs_wtc_mosque_UgJiOBYEhrSOw4Q6hpvbQL#ixzz0xJzEXcPu the plans are NEAR GROUND ZERO, which as far as I know means it isnt in a place people died even but NEAR it to counter the anti muslim sentiment elevated NEAR that area by 9/11 to counter the anti christian sentiment highlighed by the 9/11 terrorists who crashed planes NEAR That area perhaps they will, I dont know the timeline of what has already been done or the financial and physical confines that would be involved at this point but I think it is PRECISELY the anti center/anti muslim sentiment that strengthens the necessity for such a multi faith community center there as Ive compared before, black folks were peace loving and yet they chose to endure the hatred and anti integration sentiment of the communities in which they were sent to school,,,,sometimes bigotry has to be faced even when its a majority who are bigots,,, maybe there is a little bigotry going on, but there is a difference.. back then, with blacks, there was no reason for the stupid way whites acted. it was done in sheer ignorance. nowadays, we have a group that of people that may or may not support global terror. they admittedly said and shown their hatred of us infidels. they are killing people all over the world, and showing no remorse about any of it. they have killed 3000 people here, thousands more in the old Russian nations the just took over, and (forcefully)took over some African nations too. now , even in India, a peaceful democratic nation, they are rioting to take parts of it over. if you want to call me a bigot for not liking these people, be my guest. i do not mind that. I dont get into calling PEOPLE names, I dont know you, anymore than I know the billion plus muslims around the world. I am of the opinion that anti muslim sentiment is a bigoted sentiment and I am saddened everytime I hear it,,,,,just as saddened as when I hear people spreading false attributions between the bible and CHRISTIANS |
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Edited by
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" ... well, when god loving religion starts killing and spreading hate, what do you expect? Christians kind of "grew up", where muslims act like they are still in the 12th century. almost seems like there is no room in society for organized religion anymore. ... " 'Organized religion' isn't all that much different from 'organized politics' ... just think of the Throatcuttin' Brothers as the DemoComs, 'cuz all they can do is destroy what others have built, and the other religions as 'pubs or libertarians ... it's a pretty good analogy ... |
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" ... well, when god loving religion starts killing and spreading hate, what do you expect? Christians kind of "grew up", where muslims act like they are still in the 12th century. almost seems like there is no room in society for organized religion anymore. ... " 'Organized religion' isn't all that much different from 'organized politics' ... just think of the Throatcuttin' Brothers as the DemoComs, 'cuz all they can do is destroy what others have built, and the other religions as 'pubs or libertarians ... it's a pretty good analogy ... yea, it's getting there... from both parties. |
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what makes two blocks away from where people died 'sacred'? seriously? what part of america isnt sacred then if thats the criteria,,,, is there ANYPLACE that isnt two blocks away from where someone has died this is one thing that kills me about some 9/11 conspiracy theorists and american patriots,,,,,,this victim comparison that causes them to believe THEIR Dead loved ones are any more 'sacred' than anyone elses. ok, I understand the sentiment AT THE SPOT , but blocks away? get serious folks anyway, there are plenty of unemployed willing to work that job When those buildings fell, don't you think more than a little 2 block area was affected by this? Please the whole WORLD Was AFFECTED, but what has that to do with Ground Zero,,,, 'controversy over the construction of an Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero' from abc news 'But the proposed mosque is not at or on Ground Zero. It does not directly abut it or overlook it. It is near Ground Zero' from politifact.com 'Angry relatives of 9/11 victims last night clashed with supporters of a planned mosque near Ground Zero at a raucous community-board hearing in Manhattan. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nyers_wage_jihad_vs_wtc_mosque_UgJiOBYEhrSOw4Q6hpvbQL#ixzz0xJzEXcPu the plans are NEAR GROUND ZERO, which as far as I know means it isnt in a place people died even but NEAR it to counter the anti muslim sentiment elevated NEAR that area by 9/11 to counter the anti christian sentiment highlighed by the 9/11 terrorists who crashed planes NEAR That area perhaps they will, I dont know the timeline of what has already been done or the financial and physical confines that would be involved at this point but I think it is PRECISELY the anti center/anti muslim sentiment that strengthens the necessity for such a multi faith community center there as Ive compared before, black folks were peace loving and yet they chose to endure the hatred and anti integration sentiment of the communities in which they were sent to school,,,,sometimes bigotry has to be faced even when its a majority who are bigots,,, maybe there is a little bigotry going on, but there is a difference.. back then, with blacks, there was no reason for the stupid way whites acted. it was done in sheer ignorance. nowadays, we have a group that of people that may or may not support global terror. they admittedly said and shown their hatred of us infidels. they are killing people all over the world, and showing no remorse about any of it. they have killed 3000 people here, thousands more in the old Russian nations the just took over, and (forcefully)took over some African nations too. now , even in India, a peaceful democratic nation, they are rioting to take parts of it over. if you want to call me a bigot for not liking these people, be my guest. i do not mind that. I dont get into calling PEOPLE names, I dont know you, anymore than I know the billion plus muslims around the world. I am of the opinion that anti muslim sentiment is a bigoted sentiment and I am saddened everytime I hear it,,,,,just as saddened as when I hear people spreading false attributions between the bible and CHRISTIANS religion doesnt kill people, people kill people, they are motivated sometimes by their PERSONAL interpretation of the bible I feel it preposterous that so many non christians come here and assert what christians feel or why they feel it, and I likewise as a christian would feel preposterous in assuming to know how muslims all feel or even a majority of them there are 1.3 billion muslims, if they wanted war with the west dont you think they have the numbers to achieve it? it is crazy people in all religions and all nationalities that make others look bad it happens when some black folks commit crimes it happens when some americans gets involved in WARS it happens when some mexicans are illegals I dont choose to be judged by the standard of what other blacks or females are doing or not doing, I prefer personal accountablity(that thing people are so often claiming christians dont have) which means I afford that same type of judgement to others muslims are not the sum total of the minority who are crazy anymore than christians or any other minority are .... |
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god enough with the lebanon crap.....are we fighting lebanon?? NO! holy crap...our forces are in Iraq and afghanistan fighting...bigotry you say??? if I'm i bigit then you are a terrorist sympathizer. like i said before...anyone here who doesn't support us troops...feel free to stand in front of us...tell the terrorists your wishes for peace and love and see if they hear you. these comments are actually giving me a migrane. You need to seriously brush up on your military history...the lebanon and israel thing....lol is all i gotta say...In ww2 the U.S supplied britan and more with weapons etc...nobody complained then.....when we were killing nazi terrorists. you have contradicted yourself several times here. and it is because your perception of what is happening around you is severely flawed. at least I aknowledge that I dont KNOW EVERY atrocity committed and by whom , and I certainly dont try to take the higher ground by labeling groups of people terrorists just by their religious or national association,,, I have military in my family too, one of which is a very well read doctor and he DOES know plenty about history and would agree with me that the US has condoned attacks on muslims in the past, which would by all measures in these threads make their retaliation just as human and 'understandable' as ours we say, they attacked our lands and deserve retaliation,, well they say the same thing, their plans took longer to implement than it takes us to load planes and go bomb people though two sides of the same coin,,, I do not think that it is fair to say that we have condoned attacks on Muslims in the past. Muslims have all the same rights as any other religion here (or in Israel too for that matter) no attack is tolerated on the basis of religion either place. In any case there is NO EXCUSE for the WTC bombings. It is NOT two sides of the same coin.... It is more like "they dissed me so I shot them and everybody in their neighborhood while they were at the picnic". Is this reasonable?
I think not. I think many think the funding and support of their loved ones deaths is just a 'diss' they wanted us to 'taste our own medicine' just like I hear americans verbalizing daily about them,,,,,,call it karma, call it what goes around keeps going around,,but if there was any reason for us to go to Iraq, there was equal reason for extremists to come here it is not jusification, it is BOTH sides sharing responsibility for the deaths of others and needing to own up to it instead of simply owning the victim role and pointing at eah other But what you suggest is patently FALSE. We do NOT fund and support the "killing of their loved ones". Such a broad statement is groundless. No one here (or in Israel for that matter) rejoices at killing anyone. Their military actions are not aimed at killing people - especially civilians. We go out of our way to AVOID civilian casualties and protect life. What you hear from the radical Islamist false narrative is that Islam is somehow being "kept down" by the West. This is the kind of ridiculous (also false) diss that I was talking about. So - to be honest, this could never be a "taste of our own medicine" as you put it. Otherwise they would also go out of their way to AVOID civilian casualties rather then cause them intentionally on a mass murder scale. Your apparent defense of these tactics saddens me. We went to Iraq and attacked them because there was hard evidence that Saddam was using weapons of mass destruction - chemical and biological weapons against people and that he had aggressively pursued nuclear weapons also and that he was funding terrorist attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah) and that because he refused to cooperate with the international communities attempts to monitor and prevent use of weapons of mass destruction. Saddam had also repeatedly threatened the U.S. and these threats were taken seriously given his use of chemicals on the Kurds, his attempted nuclear weapons development, and his enthusiasm for funding terrorists. Yes our intel was bad. But all of the above reasons were still legit. At any rate it certainly was not to kill Muslims or any civilians. So once again there is a glaring difference. On the other hand, the WTC bombings had one purpose and one purpose only. To kill as many innocent civilians as possible in the most public and inflammatory flamboyant manner as possible. lol, oh you mean when we were trying to HELP IRAQ defeat Iran and the help was used on more 'unacceptable' targets?... more of that high road nonsense,,,,if you ask me HUH?? I thought you were talking about the US war with Iraq. But now you are talking about earlier when we were assisting Iraq in their war with Iran? OK - we helped Iraq, Yes. Because they were engaged in a fight with Iran and we did not want Iran to overrun the region after the hostage crisis... Our assisting Saddam at that point in time still does not justify Al-Qaeda in kidnapping 4 airliners and ramming them into our occupied buildings and the pentagon and the ground in Pa. Pretty weak.... |
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god enough with the lebanon crap.....are we fighting lebanon?? NO! holy crap...our forces are in Iraq and afghanistan fighting...bigotry you say??? if I'm i bigit then you are a terrorist sympathizer. like i said before...anyone here who doesn't support us troops...feel free to stand in front of us...tell the terrorists your wishes for peace and love and see if they hear you. these comments are actually giving me a migrane. You need to seriously brush up on your military history...the lebanon and israel thing....lol is all i gotta say...In ww2 the U.S supplied britan and more with weapons etc...nobody complained then.....when we were killing nazi terrorists. you have contradicted yourself several times here. and it is because your perception of what is happening around you is severely flawed. at least I aknowledge that I dont KNOW EVERY atrocity committed and by whom , and I certainly dont try to take the higher ground by labeling groups of people terrorists just by their religious or national association,,, I have military in my family too, one of which is a very well read doctor and he DOES know plenty about history and would agree with me that the US has condoned attacks on muslims in the past, which would by all measures in these threads make their retaliation just as human and 'understandable' as ours we say, they attacked our lands and deserve retaliation,, well they say the same thing, their plans took longer to implement than it takes us to load planes and go bomb people though two sides of the same coin,,, I do not think that it is fair to say that we have condoned attacks on Muslims in the past. Muslims have all the same rights as any other religion here (or in Israel too for that matter) no attack is tolerated on the basis of religion either place. In any case there is NO EXCUSE for the WTC bombings. It is NOT two sides of the same coin.... It is more like "they dissed me so I shot them and everybody in their neighborhood while they were at the picnic". Is this reasonable?
I think not. I think many think the funding and support of their loved ones deaths is just a 'diss' they wanted us to 'taste our own medicine' just like I hear americans verbalizing daily about them,,,,,,call it karma, call it what goes around keeps going around,,but if there was any reason for us to go to Iraq, there was equal reason for extremists to come here it is not jusification, it is BOTH sides sharing responsibility for the deaths of others and needing to own up to it instead of simply owning the victim role and pointing at eah other But what you suggest is patently FALSE. We do NOT fund and support the "killing of their loved ones". Such a broad statement is groundless. No one here (or in Israel for that matter) rejoices at killing anyone. Their military actions are not aimed at killing people - especially civilians. We go out of our way to AVOID civilian casualties and protect life. What you hear from the radical Islamist false narrative is that Islam is somehow being "kept down" by the West. This is the kind of ridiculous (also false) diss that I was talking about. So - to be honest, this could never be a "taste of our own medicine" as you put it. Otherwise they would also go out of their way to AVOID civilian casualties rather then cause them intentionally on a mass murder scale. Your apparent defense of these tactics saddens me. We went to Iraq and attacked them because there was hard evidence that Saddam was using weapons of mass destruction - chemical and biological weapons against people and that he had aggressively pursued nuclear weapons also and that he was funding terrorist attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah) and that because he refused to cooperate with the international communities attempts to monitor and prevent use of weapons of mass destruction. Saddam had also repeatedly threatened the U.S. and these threats were taken seriously given his use of chemicals on the Kurds, his attempted nuclear weapons development, and his enthusiasm for funding terrorists. Yes our intel was bad. But all of the above reasons were still legit. At any rate it certainly was not to kill Muslims or any civilians. So once again there is a glaring difference. On the other hand, the WTC bombings had one purpose and one purpose only. To kill as many innocent civilians as possible in the most public and inflammatory flamboyant manner as possible. lol, oh you mean when we were trying to HELP IRAQ defeat Iran and the help was used on more 'unacceptable' targets?... more of that high road nonsense,,,,if you ask me HUH?? I thought you were talking about the US war with Iraq. But now you are talking about earlier when we were assisting Iraq in their war with Iran? OK - we helped Iraq, Yes. Because they were engaged in a fight with Iran and we did not want Iran to overrun the region after the hostage crisis... Our assisting Saddam at that point in time still does not justify Al-Qaeda in kidnapping 4 airliners and ramming them into our occupied buildings and the pentagon and the ground in Pa. Pretty weak.... no,, whats pretty weak is the continued refusal to aknowledge our own complicity in the deaths of others and how THEIR loved ones just might have had the same reaction many here have about 9/11 and been able to justify to themself doing something about it I was responding to this paragraph,,btw 'We went to Iraq and attacked them because there was hard evidence that Saddam was using weapons of mass destruction - chemical and biological weapons against people and that he had aggressively pursued nuclear weapons also and that he was funding terrorist attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah) and that because he refused to cooperate with the international communities attempts to monitor and prevent use of weapons of mass destruction. ' |
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god enough with the lebanon crap.....are we fighting lebanon?? NO! holy crap...our forces are in Iraq and afghanistan fighting...bigotry you say??? if I'm i bigit then you are a terrorist sympathizer. like i said before...anyone here who doesn't support us troops...feel free to stand in front of us...tell the terrorists your wishes for peace and love and see if they hear you. these comments are actually giving me a migrane. You need to seriously brush up on your military history...the lebanon and israel thing....lol is all i gotta say...In ww2 the U.S supplied britan and more with weapons etc...nobody complained then.....when we were killing nazi terrorists. you have contradicted yourself several times here. and it is because your perception of what is happening around you is severely flawed. at least I aknowledge that I dont KNOW EVERY atrocity committed and by whom , and I certainly dont try to take the higher ground by labeling groups of people terrorists just by their religious or national association,,, I have military in my family too, one of which is a very well read doctor and he DOES know plenty about history and would agree with me that the US has condoned attacks on muslims in the past, which would by all measures in these threads make their retaliation just as human and 'understandable' as ours we say, they attacked our lands and deserve retaliation,, well they say the same thing, their plans took longer to implement than it takes us to load planes and go bomb people though two sides of the same coin,,, I do not think that it is fair to say that we have condoned attacks on Muslims in the past. Muslims have all the same rights as any other religion here (or in Israel too for that matter) no attack is tolerated on the basis of religion either place. In any case there is NO EXCUSE for the WTC bombings. It is NOT two sides of the same coin.... It is more like "they dissed me so I shot them and everybody in their neighborhood while they were at the picnic". Is this reasonable?
I think not. I think many think the funding and support of their loved ones deaths is just a 'diss' they wanted us to 'taste our own medicine' just like I hear americans verbalizing daily about them,,,,,,call it karma, call it what goes around keeps going around,,but if there was any reason for us to go to Iraq, there was equal reason for extremists to come here it is not jusification, it is BOTH sides sharing responsibility for the deaths of others and needing to own up to it instead of simply owning the victim role and pointing at eah other But what you suggest is patently FALSE. We do NOT fund and support the "killing of their loved ones". Such a broad statement is groundless. No one here (or in Israel for that matter) rejoices at killing anyone. Their military actions are not aimed at killing people - especially civilians. We go out of our way to AVOID civilian casualties and protect life. What you hear from the radical Islamist false narrative is that Islam is somehow being "kept down" by the West. This is the kind of ridiculous (also false) diss that I was talking about. So - to be honest, this could never be a "taste of our own medicine" as you put it. Otherwise they would also go out of their way to AVOID civilian casualties rather then cause them intentionally on a mass murder scale. Your apparent defense of these tactics saddens me. We went to Iraq and attacked them because there was hard evidence that Saddam was using weapons of mass destruction - chemical and biological weapons against people and that he had aggressively pursued nuclear weapons also and that he was funding terrorist attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah) and that because he refused to cooperate with the international communities attempts to monitor and prevent use of weapons of mass destruction. Saddam had also repeatedly threatened the U.S. and these threats were taken seriously given his use of chemicals on the Kurds, his attempted nuclear weapons development, and his enthusiasm for funding terrorists. Yes our intel was bad. But all of the above reasons were still legit. At any rate it certainly was not to kill Muslims or any civilians. So once again there is a glaring difference. On the other hand, the WTC bombings had one purpose and one purpose only. To kill as many innocent civilians as possible in the most public and inflammatory flamboyant manner as possible. lol, oh you mean when we were trying to HELP IRAQ defeat Iran and the help was used on more 'unacceptable' targets?... more of that high road nonsense,,,,if you ask me HUH?? I thought you were talking about the US war with Iraq. But now you are talking about earlier when we were assisting Iraq in their war with Iran? OK - we helped Iraq, Yes. Because they were engaged in a fight with Iran and we did not want Iran to overrun the region after the hostage crisis... Our assisting Saddam at that point in time still does not justify Al-Qaeda in kidnapping 4 airliners and ramming them into our occupied buildings and the pentagon and the ground in Pa. Pretty weak.... no,, whats pretty weak is the continued refusal to aknowledge our own complicity in the deaths of others and how THEIR loved ones just might have had the same reaction many here have about 9/11 and been able to justify to themself doing something about it I was responding to this paragraph,,btw 'We went to Iraq and attacked them because there was hard evidence that Saddam was using weapons of mass destruction - chemical and biological weapons against people and that he had aggressively pursued nuclear weapons also and that he was funding terrorist attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah) and that because he refused to cooperate with the international communities attempts to monitor and prevent use of weapons of mass destruction. ' We do not target women and children. We are not terrorists. We fight wars but terrorism such as attacks on civilians like what happened in 911 is considered war-crimes. One must understand the difference between war and war-crimes. War is evil - a necessary evil sometimes to protect freedom. War crimes such as the WTC attacks, bus bombings, cafe bombings, and indiscriminate firing of rockets into cities to kill innocent people are so heinous that they are considered crimes even in war. I understand the difference and would never accept any reasoning to support war crimes. I freely acknowledge our responsibility for going to war. But I will not condone terrorism as a valid form of warfare or political protest. It is inhuman and considerably beyond the hell of war. Those who seek to justify terrorism must be confronted relentlessly and consistently lest all future political disputes turn into unending slaughter of innocent bystanders. |
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Miss USA Rima Fakih, first Muslim winner, speaks out against mosque near Ground Zero http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/20/2010-08-20_miss_usa_rima_fakih_first_muslim_winner_speaks_out_against_mosque_near_ground_ze.html#ixzz0xOSODYIY Smarter and Braver than Fareed Zakaria 
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but I think it is PRECISELY the anti center/anti muslim sentiment that strengthens the necessity for such a multi faith community center there I can understand why construstion workers in the New York area don't want to work on a Mosque near ground zero, why can't you?? You keep comparing things that make little sense in comparision to each other and it is just a constant flow. It's panicy debate material and serves no real purpose such as explaining anything. The only truth in this discussion is in what the workers are saying. Why? it does'nt matter. Define them? nobody cares. Understand them? Unlikely. What is the point? |
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what makes two blocks away from where people died 'sacred'? seriously? what part of america isnt sacred then if thats the criteria,,,, is there ANYPLACE that isnt two blocks away from where someone has died this is one thing that kills me about some 9/11 conspiracy theorists and american patriots,,,,,,this victim comparison that causes them to believe THEIR Dead loved ones are any more 'sacred' than anyone elses. ok, I understand the sentiment AT THE SPOT , but blocks away? get serious folks anyway, there are plenty of unemployed willing to work that job When those buildings fell, don't you think more than a little 2 block area was affected by this? Please the whole WORLD Was AFFECTED, but what has that to do with Ground Zero,,,, 'controversy over the construction of an Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero' from abc news 'But the proposed mosque is not at or on Ground Zero. It does not directly abut it or overlook it. It is near Ground Zero' from politifact.com 'Angry relatives of 9/11 victims last night clashed with supporters of a planned mosque near Ground Zero at a raucous community-board hearing in Manhattan. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nyers_wage_jihad_vs_wtc_mosque_UgJiOBYEhrSOw4Q6hpvbQL#ixzz0xJzEXcPu the plans are NEAR GROUND ZERO, which as far as I know means it isnt in a place people died even but NEAR it to counter the anti muslim sentiment elevated NEAR that area by 9/11 to counter the anti christian sentiment highlighed by the 9/11 terrorists who crashed planes NEAR That area perhaps they will, I dont know the timeline of what has already been done or the financial and physical confines that would be involved at this point but I think it is PRECISELY the anti center/anti muslim sentiment that strengthens the necessity for such a multi faith community center there as Ive compared before, black folks were peace loving and yet they chose to endure the hatred and anti integration sentiment of the communities in which they were sent to school,,,,sometimes bigotry has to be faced even when its a majority who are bigots,,, maybe there is a little bigotry going on, but there is a difference.. back then, with blacks, there was no reason for the stupid way whites acted. it was done in sheer ignorance. nowadays, we have a group that of people that may or may not support global terror. they admittedly said and shown their hatred of us infidels. they are killing people all over the world, and showing no remorse about any of it. they have killed 3000 people here, thousands more in the old Russian nations the just took over, and (forcefully)took over some African nations too. now , even in India, a peaceful democratic nation, they are rioting to take parts of it over. if you want to call me a bigot for not liking these people, be my guest. i do not mind that. I dont get into calling PEOPLE names, I dont know you, anymore than I know the billion plus muslims around the world. I am of the opinion that anti muslim sentiment is a bigoted sentiment and I am saddened everytime I hear it,,,,,just as saddened as when I hear people spreading false attributions between the bible and CHRISTIANS religion doesnt kill people, people kill people, they are motivated sometimes by their PERSONAL interpretation of the bible I feel it preposterous that so many non christians come here and assert what christians feel or why they feel it, and I likewise as a christian would feel preposterous in assuming to know how muslims all feel or even a majority of them there are 1.3 billion muslims, if they wanted war with the west dont you think they have the numbers to achieve it? it is crazy people in all religions and all nationalities that make others look bad it happens when some black folks commit crimes it happens when some americans gets involved in WARS it happens when some mexicans are illegals I dont choose to be judged by the standard of what other blacks or females are doing or not doing, I prefer personal accountablity(that thing people are so often claiming christians dont have) which means I afford that same type of judgement to others muslims are not the sum total of the minority who are crazy anymore than christians or any other minority are .... so your the voice of Christianity? mulims have the numbers over there, and they are building them up over here. we can still easily defeat them with our modern day weapons, and with out allies, we actually have more people than them. India alone is over a billion strong, with one of the biggest militarys in the world. you can defend them(muslims) all you want, but even a small minority of a billion is still a huge number. |
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Three largest armies...China india and pakistan...all of which still use conscription. the most equipped army..U.S.A!!!! Lets stretch our legs...I dont care what army has more people. We are born tacticians, they are not, we have stealth tech...they do not. We have nuclear carriers, they do not...u send any one of those armies against us it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. For example....In the korean war, 12 British Centurian tanks and 100 men held off a N Korean and Chinese assault of 100 000 men!!!! I like those numbers.
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god enough with the lebanon crap.....are we fighting lebanon?? NO! holy crap...our forces are in Iraq and afghanistan fighting...bigotry you say??? if I'm i bigit then you are a terrorist sympathizer. like i said before...anyone here who doesn't support us troops...feel free to stand in front of us...tell the terrorists your wishes for peace and love and see if they hear you. these comments are actually giving me a migrane. You need to seriously brush up on your military history...the lebanon and israel thing....lol is all i gotta say...In ww2 the U.S supplied britan and more with weapons etc...nobody complained then.....when we were killing nazi terrorists. you have contradicted yourself several times here. and it is because your perception of what is happening around you is severely flawed. at least I aknowledge that I dont KNOW EVERY atrocity committed and by whom , and I certainly dont try to take the higher ground by labeling groups of people terrorists just by their religious or national association,,, I have military in my family too, one of which is a very well read doctor and he DOES know plenty about history and would agree with me that the US has condoned attacks on muslims in the past, which would by all measures in these threads make their retaliation just as human and 'understandable' as ours we say, they attacked our lands and deserve retaliation,, well they say the same thing, their plans took longer to implement than it takes us to load planes and go bomb people though two sides of the same coin,,, I do not think that it is fair to say that we have condoned attacks on Muslims in the past. Muslims have all the same rights as any other religion here (or in Israel too for that matter) no attack is tolerated on the basis of religion either place. In any case there is NO EXCUSE for the WTC bombings. It is NOT two sides of the same coin.... It is more like "they dissed me so I shot them and everybody in their neighborhood while they were at the picnic". Is this reasonable?
I think not. I think many think the funding and support of their loved ones deaths is just a 'diss' they wanted us to 'taste our own medicine' just like I hear americans verbalizing daily about them,,,,,,call it karma, call it what goes around keeps going around,,but if there was any reason for us to go to Iraq, there was equal reason for extremists to come here it is not jusification, it is BOTH sides sharing responsibility for the deaths of others and needing to own up to it instead of simply owning the victim role and pointing at eah other But what you suggest is patently FALSE. We do NOT fund and support the "killing of their loved ones". Such a broad statement is groundless. No one here (or in Israel for that matter) rejoices at killing anyone. Their military actions are not aimed at killing people - especially civilians. We go out of our way to AVOID civilian casualties and protect life. What you hear from the radical Islamist false narrative is that Islam is somehow being "kept down" by the West. This is the kind of ridiculous (also false) diss that I was talking about. So - to be honest, this could never be a "taste of our own medicine" as you put it. Otherwise they would also go out of their way to AVOID civilian casualties rather then cause them intentionally on a mass murder scale. Your apparent defense of these tactics saddens me. We went to Iraq and attacked them because there was hard evidence that Saddam was using weapons of mass destruction - chemical and biological weapons against people and that he had aggressively pursued nuclear weapons also and that he was funding terrorist attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah) and that because he refused to cooperate with the international communities attempts to monitor and prevent use of weapons of mass destruction. Saddam had also repeatedly threatened the U.S. and these threats were taken seriously given his use of chemicals on the Kurds, his attempted nuclear weapons development, and his enthusiasm for funding terrorists. Yes our intel was bad. But all of the above reasons were still legit. At any rate it certainly was not to kill Muslims or any civilians. So once again there is a glaring difference. On the other hand, the WTC bombings had one purpose and one purpose only. To kill as many innocent civilians as possible in the most public and inflammatory flamboyant manner as possible. lol, oh you mean when we were trying to HELP IRAQ defeat Iran and the help was used on more 'unacceptable' targets?... more of that high road nonsense,,,,if you ask me HUH?? I thought you were talking about the US war with Iraq. But now you are talking about earlier when we were assisting Iraq in their war with Iran? OK - we helped Iraq, Yes. Because they were engaged in a fight with Iran and we did not want Iran to overrun the region after the hostage crisis... Our assisting Saddam at that point in time still does not justify Al-Qaeda in kidnapping 4 airliners and ramming them into our occupied buildings and the pentagon and the ground in Pa. Pretty weak.... no,, whats pretty weak is the continued refusal to aknowledge our own complicity in the deaths of others and how THEIR loved ones just might have had the same reaction many here have about 9/11 and been able to justify to themself doing something about it I was responding to this paragraph,,btw 'We went to Iraq and attacked them because there was hard evidence that Saddam was using weapons of mass destruction - chemical and biological weapons against people and that he had aggressively pursued nuclear weapons also and that he was funding terrorist attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah) and that because he refused to cooperate with the international communities attempts to monitor and prevent use of weapons of mass destruction. ' We do not target women and children. We are not terrorists. We fight wars but terrorism such as attacks on civilians like what happened in 911 is considered war-crimes. One must understand the difference between war and war-crimes. War is evil - a necessary evil sometimes to protect freedom. War crimes such as the WTC attacks, bus bombings, cafe bombings, and indiscriminate firing of rockets into cities to kill innocent people are so heinous that they are considered crimes even in war. I understand the difference and would never accept any reasoning to support war crimes. I freely acknowledge our responsibility for going to war. But I will not condone terrorism as a valid form of warfare or political protest. It is inhuman and considerably beyond the hell of war. Those who seek to justify terrorism must be confronted relentlessly and consistently lest all future political disputes turn into unending slaughter of innocent bystanders. one persons 'war' is anothers 'occupation' and anothers 'terrorism' government gets to define which is which, but all those who die have loved ones mourning them who dont care what someone else determined as just or not |
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