believe what you want,, I dont KNOW the truth , I only know what the media reports as does most of the world and wouldnt ya know it

eastern media reports something entirely different than western media

put in your favorite engine ISRAEL ATTACKS and just look at all the perceived INTENTIONAL harm Israelis have been thought to be tied to

so, going by whatever is 'known', how is one governments retaliation any better or worse than the next?

god enough with the lebanon crap.....are we fighting lebanon?? NO! holy crap...our forces are in Iraq and afghanistan fighting...bigotry you say??? if I'm i bigit then you are a terrorist sympathizer. like i said before...anyone here who doesn't support us troops...feel free to stand in front of us...tell the terrorists your wishes for peace and love and see if they hear you. these comments are actually giving me a migrane. You need to seriously brush up on your military history...the lebanon and israel thing....lol is all i gotta say...In ww2 the U.S supplied britan and more with weapons etc...nobody complained then.....when we were killing nazi terrorists. you have contradicted yourself several times here. and it is because your perception of what is happening around you is severely flawed.

at least I aknowledge that I dont KNOW EVERY atrocity committed and by whom , and I certainly dont try to take the higher ground by labeling groups of people terrorists just by their religious or national association,,,

I have military in my family too, one of which is a very well read doctor and he DOES know plenty about history and would agree with me that the US has condoned attacks on muslims in the past, which would by all measures in these threads make their retaliation just as human and 'understandable' as ours

we say, they attacked our lands and deserve retaliation,, well they say the same thing, their plans took longer to implement than it takes us to load planes and go bomb people though

two sides of the same coin,,,

There is plenty of objective evidence. Google "terrorist attacks".
There are no Israeli or U.S. terrorist attacks. It is all very
well documented. Make sure you give preference to verifiable reports.

I have read and continue to read all viewpoints. It is just very
clear that there is a difference between hijacking several planeloads
of vacationers and business travelers and ramming them into office
towers during working hours and trying to take out batteries of
rocket launchers which are actively shooting rockets into your
city centers.

It is about as plain as plain can be and is reported clearly from
both sides. No mistaking it.

If someone can't figure it out from the objective data and reporting
then it can only mean that they do not wish to see the truth and
they are closing their eyes.

thats wonderful....the problem there is docs don't fight. and a doc in the military has no part of anything tactical or information based. lol...except a medical report. so to me that means nothing. and we are not talking about past engagements...The U.S was at peace before 9/11. No state of war!!! geez...if that doc was a knowing as you say he is he would be in agreement. And if he had the views you do he wouldnt be in service. And it isn't two sides of the same coin...not at all....its two different coins, with different engravings on all sides.

WE ATTACK ARMIES IF NEED BE>>>NOT CIVILLIANS!

I do not think that it is fair to say that we have condoned attacks
on Muslims in the past. Muslims have all the same rights as any other
religion here (or in Israel too for that matter) no attack is tolerated on the basis of religion either place.

In any case there is NO EXCUSE for the WTC bombings.
It is NOT two sides of the same coin....

It is more like "they dissed me so I shot them and everybody
in their neighborhood while they were at the picnic". Is this reasonable?



I think not.

thank you!!!!!

When those buildings fell, don't you think more than a little 2 block area was affected by this? Please

my thought exactly.

The whole country was affected, not just two blocks.

the whole continent was affected...

I think many think the funding and support of their loved ones deaths is just a 'diss'

they wanted us to 'taste our own medicine' just like I hear americans verbalizing daily about them,,,,,,call it karma, call it what goes around keeps going around,,but if there was any reason for us to go to Iraq, there was equal reason for extremists to come here

it is not jusification, it is BOTH sides sharing responsibility for the deaths of others and needing to own up to it instead of simply owning the victim role and pointing at eah other

that DOC was captain of a ship and a deep sea ammunitions expert, IM sure he knows VERY well policital and military history,,,perhaps things that others serving as less than captain may not be privvy to....

he is very knowledgable, and this is what I mean about these threads,, if someone has different information or knowledge it becomes a pissing contest,,,

Im not belittling your knowledge, Im pointing out that equally knowledgable and patriotic soldiers would agree with what Im saying

the whole WORLD Was AFFECTED, but what has that to do with Ground Zero,,,,

'controversy over the construction of an Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero' from abc news

'But the proposed mosque is not at or on Ground Zero. It does not directly abut it or overlook it.

It is near Ground Zero' from politifact.com




'Angry relatives of 9/11 victims last night clashed with supporters of a planned mosque near Ground Zero at a raucous community-board hearing in Manhattan.



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nyers_wage_jihad_vs_wtc_mosque_UgJiOBYEhrSOw4Q6hpvbQL#ixzz0xJzEXcPu



the plans are NEAR GROUND ZERO, which as far as I know means it isnt in a place people died even but NEAR it

you never did answer my question... why right there? why can't it 10 blocks away? you seem to be avoiding answering this...

But what you suggest is patently FALSE.

We do NOT fund and support the "killing of their loved ones".
Such a broad statement is groundless. No one here (or in Israel
for that matter) rejoices at killing anyone. Their military
actions are not aimed at killing people - especially civilians.
We go out of our way to AVOID civilian casualties and protect
life.

What you hear from the radical Islamist false narrative is that
Islam is somehow being "kept down" by the West. This is the kind
of ridiculous (also false) diss that I was talking about.

So - to be honest, this could never be a "taste of our own medicine"
as you put it. Otherwise they would also go out of their way to
AVOID civilian casualties rather then cause them intentionally on
a mass murder scale.

Your apparent defense of these tactics saddens me.

We went to Iraq and attacked them because there was hard evidence
that Saddam was using weapons of mass destruction - chemical and
biological weapons against people and that he had aggressively
pursued nuclear weapons also and that he was funding terrorist
attacks (Hamas, Hezbollah) and that because he refused to cooperate
with the international communities attempts to monitor and prevent
use of weapons of mass destruction.

Saddam had also repeatedly threatened the U.S. and these threats
were taken seriously given his use of chemicals on the Kurds, his
attempted nuclear weapons development, and his enthusiasm for
funding terrorists.

Yes our intel was bad. But all of the above reasons were still
legit. At any rate it certainly was not to kill Muslims or any
civilians. So once again there is a glaring difference.

On the other hand, the WTC bombings had one purpose and one purpose
only. To kill as many innocent civilians as possible in the most
public and inflammatory flamboyant manner as possible.

to counter the anti muslim sentiment elevated NEAR that area by 9/11
to counter the anti christian sentiment highlighed by the 9/11 terrorists who crashed planes NEAR That area

Deuteronomy 21: 18-21 'If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard.' 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death.'


the Christian Bible has many horrid things in it that most Chtistians I know dont consider relevant to modern life

yet so many americans proclaim to KNOW the hearts of muslims that they all must be taking literally and to heart ANYTHING in the qu ran


its nonsense really,, muslims arent the enemy , ignorance and pride are

seems like it is causing more sentiment on both sides by trying to put it there.... if the muslims are so peace loving and understanding, they would see this and move it somewhere else...