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The problem here is that everyone of the people asked for their papers needs to ask the cop why he is targeting them. And then file a law suit on the answer because.........wait for it........ THERE IS NO WAY TO "SUSPECT" A PERSON IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN WITHOUT RACIALLY PROFILING THEM. Got it? Good. So the law in Arizona is racist and there is no way around it. That is a different argument than the one you originally presented, and if you have a problem with that law then why don't you have a problem with the federal law which specifically DOES allow race to be used as a component? That is not a different argument. It is the reason for the the law being racist all along. I repeat do you or don't you support the federal law which allows for race to be considered? I already said the federal law does not consider race. ROTFLMAO, and just what is it the profiler hired by the FBI do? Like the original AZ law before it was updated allows for race to be considered as part of the over all profile. That IS racial profiling. The original AZ bill was modeled after the federal bill. The fed doesn't allow for racial profiling, Read it man!!! Profiler is a person who analyzes and deciphers criminal behavior, racial profiling is not part of it. Look it up. You're quite notorious for not doing so yourself I won't bother if that's the fairytale you believe then that's what you believe. So let's say that federal government doesn't practice racial profiling, neither does this law. It in fact specifically says it is against the law to use it. We all know that AZ has been using it, so why would you oppose a law that reigns AZ law enforcement in? Racism is unacceptable in this country anywhere. Bottom line. |
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Arizona's law is here to stay. If you don't live in Arizona your opinion is feeble, weak, and doesn't matter. Obummer, Holder (I can only imagine what he's holding), Napolotano who BTW was worthless as our governor and is now a joke as head of home land security, have not read the bill so like ALL liberals they are condemning something they no nothing about. There have already been two law suits dropped because they don't have a leg to stand on and the rest will soon follow. Have a wonderful day 
The repercussions haven't even started yet. Arizona will suffer for their wrong doing. |
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The problem here is that everyone of the people asked for their papers needs to ask the cop why he is targeting them. And then file a law suit on the answer because.........wait for it........ THERE IS NO WAY TO "SUSPECT" A PERSON IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN WITHOUT RACIALLY PROFILING THEM. Got it? Good. So the law in Arizona is racist and there is no way around it. That is a different argument than the one you originally presented, and if you have a problem with that law then why don't you have a problem with the federal law which specifically DOES allow race to be used as a component? That is not a different argument. It is the reason for the the law being racist all along. I repeat do you or don't you support the federal law which allows for race to be considered? I already said the federal law does not consider race. ROTFLMAO, and just what is it the profiler hired by the FBI do? Like the original AZ law before it was updated allows for race to be considered as part of the over all profile. That IS racial profiling. The original AZ bill was modeled after the federal bill. The fed doesn't allow for racial profiling, Read it man!!! Profiler is a person who analyzes and deciphers criminal behavior, racial profiling is not part of it. Look it up. You're quite notorious for not doing so yourself I won't bother if that's the fairytale you believe then that's what you believe. So let's say that federal government doesn't practice racial profiling, neither does this law. It in fact specifically says it is against the law to use it. We all know that AZ has been using it, so why would you oppose a law that reigns AZ law enforcement in? Racism is unacceptable in this country anywhere. Bottom line. Again, so why do you oppose a law that would clearly cause AZ law enforcement follow that bottom line? First the law defines the state... Page 1 line 20, 20 B: FOR ANY LAWFUL STOP, DETENTION OR ARREST MADE BY A LAW 21 ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A LAW 22 ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN 23 OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE ---------------- Then it repeatedly states they the state can't use race... --------------- Page 1 line 33 THIS STATE MAY NOT CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN page 4 line 2 THIS STATE MAY NOT CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN Page 7 line 25 THIS STATE MAY NOT CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN Page 8 line 21 STATE MAY NOT CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN ---------------- I'll ask again, what's your problem with this if you are in fact opposed to racism? |
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there is actually an escape clause regarding race,,,the rest of those passages are followed by the word EXCEPT,,,
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Edited by
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Thu 05/20/10 06:43 PM
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Jeez - the solution is SO obvious ... for all the people who are so easily placed into 'existential angst' by not only the reportage but the mere existence of FOX News - STOP WATCHING. There are channels out there that cater specifically to your Liberal / Progressive / Communist bias ... please - watch them - they're your 'security blanket' and pacifier ...
Damn - it sure don't take much to start 'em whinin', does it ... ? |
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The problem here is that everyone of the people asked for their papers needs to ask the cop why he is targeting them. And then file a law suit on the answer because.........wait for it........ THERE IS NO WAY TO "SUSPECT" A PERSON IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN WITHOUT RACIALLY PROFILING THEM. Got it? Good. So the law in Arizona is racist and there is no way around it. That is a different argument than the one you originally presented, and if you have a problem with that law then why don't you have a problem with the federal law which specifically DOES allow race to be used as a component? That is not a different argument. It is the reason for the the law being racist all along. I repeat do you or don't you support the federal law which allows for race to be considered? I already said the federal law does not consider race. ROTFLMAO, and just what is it the profiler hired by the FBI do? Like the original AZ law before it was updated allows for race to be considered as part of the over all profile. That IS racial profiling. The original AZ bill was modeled after the federal bill. The fed doesn't allow for racial profiling, Read it man!!! Profiler is a person who analyzes and deciphers criminal behavior, racial profiling is not part of it. Look it up. You're quite notorious for not doing so yourself I won't bother if that's the fairytale you believe then that's what you believe. So let's say that federal government doesn't practice racial profiling, neither does this law. It in fact specifically says it is against the law to use it. We all know that AZ has been using it, so why would you oppose a law that reigns AZ law enforcement in? Racism is unacceptable in this country anywhere. Bottom line. Again, so why do you oppose a law that would clearly cause AZ law enforcement follow that bottom line? First the law defines the state... Page 1 line 20, 20 B: FOR ANY LAWFUL STOP, DETENTION OR ARREST MADE BY A LAW 21 ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A LAW 22 ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN 23 OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE ---------------- Then it repeatedly states they the state can't use race... --------------- Page 1 line 33 THIS STATE MAY NOT CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN page 4 line 2 THIS STATE MAY NOT CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN Page 7 line 25 THIS STATE MAY NOT CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN Page 8 line 21 STATE MAY NOT CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN ---------------- I'll ask again, what's your problem with this if you are in fact opposed to racism? Again you cannot "suspect" an alien without racially profiling regardless to how many time they put the opposite into the law. That is racism, no matter what. |
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Fox News Network is not a reliable news station.
They shouldn't be allowed to call their twisted version of events news. |
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the provision would go over better if they left the suspicion of being undocumented out of it,,,,ya catch more flies with honey than ,,well yall know what Im saying
if they were to go ahead and make it MANDATORY that anyone stopped FOR A VIOLATION by an officer must provide ID or a social security or green card number which can be looked up,,,,or else be detained until such information is gathered,,, it would read better, it could not be argued to be profiling if it was mandated for EVERYONE police question but I think the current hot issue of illegal immigration and illegal immigrants (specifically mexican immigrants where AZ is concerned) makes the current wording draw more national spotlight to the bill as is and I doubt they will change the wording,,, |
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Fox News Network is not a reliable news station. They shouldn't be allowed to call their twisted version of events news.   
They could call it the FOX OPINIONATED NETWORK. |
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The Police could pretend to be Pro-Illegal activists and announce in the newspaper a taco and beer fest for all who are undocumented and their families.
Telling them also to bring their papers proving they are undocumented for their free ticket. |
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Edited by
willing2
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Thu 05/20/10 07:10 PM
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Fox News Network is not a reliable news station. They shouldn't be allowed to call their twisted version of events news.
They could call it the FOX OPINIONATED NETWORK. And, they could call MSM, Most Sucks Mindfk |
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Fox News Network is not a reliable news station. They shouldn't be allowed to call their twisted version of events news.
They could call it the FOX OPINIONATED NETWORK. Fox Entertainment Network. |
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the provision would go over better if they left the suspicion of being undocumented out of it,,,,ya catch more flies with honey than ,,well yall know what Im saying if they were to go ahead and make it MANDATORY that anyone stopped FOR A VIOLATION by an officer must provide ID or a social security or green card number which can be looked up,,,,or else be detained until such information is gathered,,, it would read better, it could not be argued to be profiling if it was mandated for EVERYONE police question but I think the current hot issue of illegal immigration and illegal immigrants (specifically mexican immigrants where AZ is concerned) makes the current wording draw more national spotlight to the bill as is and I doubt they will change the wording,,, If they stated that all people who are stopped in Arizona will be IDed and if no valid ID will be detained a certain amount of time to find out who they are. That would be acceptable. Otherwise it is racist. |
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there is actually an escape clause regarding race,,,the rest of those passages are followed by the word EXCEPT,,, Ah, you mean kind of like this excerpt from the laws the prohibit in federal law? -------------- Federal law enforcement officers may not consider race or ethnicity except to the extent permitted by the Constitution and laws of the United States. -------------- Again the AZ law follows all the guidelines of the federal law that you all seem to support. |
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the provision would go over better if they left the suspicion of being undocumented out of it,,,,ya catch more flies with honey than ,,well yall know what Im saying if they were to go ahead and make it MANDATORY that anyone stopped FOR A VIOLATION by an officer must provide ID or a social security or green card number which can be looked up,,,,or else be detained until such information is gathered,,, it would read better, it could not be argued to be profiling if it was mandated for EVERYONE police question but I think the current hot issue of illegal immigration and illegal immigrants (specifically mexican immigrants where AZ is concerned) makes the current wording draw more national spotlight to the bill as is and I doubt they will change the wording,,, If they stated that all people who are stopped in Arizona will be IDed and if no valid ID will be detained a certain amount of time to find out who they are. That would be acceptable. Otherwise it is racist. I think stopping everyone is close to becoming a reality. Its Nazi Germany all over again. papers please! |
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the provision would go over better if they left the suspicion of being undocumented out of it,,,,ya catch more flies with honey than ,,well yall know what Im saying if they were to go ahead and make it MANDATORY that anyone stopped FOR A VIOLATION by an officer must provide ID or a social security or green card number which can be looked up,,,,or else be detained until such information is gathered,,, it would read better, it could not be argued to be profiling if it was mandated for EVERYONE police question but I think the current hot issue of illegal immigration and illegal immigrants (specifically mexican immigrants where AZ is concerned) makes the current wording draw more national spotlight to the bill as is and I doubt they will change the wording,,, If they stated that all people who are stopped in Arizona will be IDed and if no valid ID will be detained a certain amount of time to find out who they are. That would be acceptable. Otherwise it is racist. I think stopping everyone is close to becoming a reality. Its Nazi Germany all over again. papers please! I would have to agree, since we are so PC any more and so afraid of offending anyone that we have to stop everyone. Just as is stated in this law, they are now required to check EVERYONE who enters and leaves police custody to see if they are in this country legally. I will say that when I go to AZ I will carry my license with me at all times. I have been stopped by border patrol before and questioned because I look vaguely Hispanic at times (when the tan if full on and my hair is cut in stereo-typical hispanic fashion). I'm not bothered by that, I've read the law know that I can expect zero problems as long as I follow that simple rule. If I fail to do so I also know, having read the law, that all I'll need to do is go to the court house with proof of citizenship ie: drivers license. |
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I hope I get a answer to this question.Is Mexico also racist because it deports illegals?
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the provision would go over better if they left the suspicion of being undocumented out of it,,,,ya catch more flies with honey than ,,well yall know what Im saying if they were to go ahead and make it MANDATORY that anyone stopped FOR A VIOLATION by an officer must provide ID or a social security or green card number which can be looked up,,,,or else be detained until such information is gathered,,, it would read better, it could not be argued to be profiling if it was mandated for EVERYONE police question but I think the current hot issue of illegal immigration and illegal immigrants (specifically mexican immigrants where AZ is concerned) makes the current wording draw more national spotlight to the bill as is and I doubt they will change the wording,,, If they stated that all people who are stopped in Arizona will be IDed and if no valid ID will be detained a certain amount of time to find out who they are. That would be acceptable. Otherwise it is racist. I think stopping everyone is close to becoming a reality. Its Nazi Germany all over again. papers please! I would have to agree, since we are so PC any more and so afraid of offending anyone that we have to stop everyone. Just as is stated in this law, they are now required to check EVERYONE who enters and leaves police custody to see if they are in this country legally. I will say that when I go to AZ I will carry my license with me at all times. I have been stopped by border patrol before and questioned because I look vaguely Hispanic at times (when the tan if full on and my hair is cut in stereo-typical hispanic fashion). I'm not bothered by that, I've read the law know that I can expect zero problems as long as I follow that simple rule. If I fail to do so I also know, having read the law, that all I'll need to do is go to the court house with proof of citizenship ie: drivers license. By all state laws when driving ya' gotta' have at the least, a dl and proof of insurance. I never offend anyone.   
I'm also a pacifist and if you call me a liar, I'll beat you to an inch of your life! 
I don't believe in war. I do believe, if ya' gonna' play I'd have ya' nuked. Go in ta' win and God can sort ya' out. |
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Seriously....you hate Fox News so much, why do you continuously watch it and then biatch about it when you do? Love the logic there.
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the provision would go over better if they left the suspicion of being undocumented out of it,,,,ya catch more flies with honey than ,,well yall know what Im saying if they were to go ahead and make it MANDATORY that anyone stopped FOR A VIOLATION by an officer must provide ID or a social security or green card number which can be looked up,,,,or else be detained until such information is gathered,,, it would read better, it could not be argued to be profiling if it was mandated for EVERYONE police question but I think the current hot issue of illegal immigration and illegal immigrants (specifically mexican immigrants where AZ is concerned) makes the current wording draw more national spotlight to the bill as is and I doubt they will change the wording,,, If they stated that all people who are stopped in Arizona will be IDed and if no valid ID will be detained a certain amount of time to find out who they are. That would be acceptable. Otherwise it is racist. I think stopping everyone is close to becoming a reality. Its Nazi Germany all over again. papers please! I would have to agree, since we are so PC any more and so afraid of offending anyone that we have to stop everyone. Just as is stated in this law, they are now required to check EVERYONE who enters and leaves police custody to see if they are in this country legally. I will say that when I go to AZ I will carry my license with me at all times. I have been stopped by border patrol before and questioned because I look vaguely Hispanic at times (when the tan if full on and my hair is cut in stereo-typical hispanic fashion). I'm not bothered by that, I've read the law know that I can expect zero problems as long as I follow that simple rule. If I fail to do so I also know, having read the law, that all I'll need to do is go to the court house with proof of citizenship ie: drivers license. By all state laws when driving ya' gotta' have at the least, a dl and proof of insurance. Very true however not every stop involves someone who's driving a vehicle. It is the most common stop of course but there are many other reasons someone might be stopped or detained. I will note that they also took out the wording that allowed them ask people because they came in contact with them, it meant they could ask someone who was reporting a crime. |
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