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Topic: Man arrested for child porn
franshade's photo
Thu 06/18/09 08:35 AM
WEST BOCA - A Boca Raton area man has been arrested on 11 counts of possession of child pornography charges, deputies said.

Eric Zelesnick, 19, of west of Boca Raton, was arrested Wednesday after deputies said they found his Internet connection address through a computer investigation.

According to an arrest report:

Deputies were led to a multi-family apartment complex in the 9100 block of Rutledge Avenue where several computers were scanned before finding Zelesnick's.

Videos of child pornography were found on it. Zelesnick admitted to downloading it and was arrested, deputies said.

Not condoning the actions of this man - but my question is, police said they found his internet connection address (isp) through a computer investigation? This sounds too vague to me. The investigation led them to a multi unit complex - are the occupants told what they are searching for? can an occupant deny entry? or is it a carte blance investigation, they can come, check what they want???

Just wondering if there are limits, boundaries and rights we still have.

no photo
Thu 06/18/09 08:44 AM
I was just wondering the same thing. Usually these stings are done by cops as phony child porn sellers, or done after someone has been reported...
Are they saying several of THIS MAN'S computers or all of the computers of all living thereat the complex? If the latter, that sounds like straight invasion of privacy.

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Thu 06/18/09 08:48 AM
That's why I asked, reading article lead me to think they scanned other occupants computers. They kept scanning until they found this persons who had the child porn, and this person admitted to downloading it. (yes he's a lowlife)

I am questioning the authorities rights and what information can/should be given to citizens.

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Thu 06/18/09 08:58 AM
I imagine if they linked on his phone connection or wifi, and found what he was up too any other on that network would of course be subject.

I dont care how they did it or why...I am just glad they found this sick sob.
We all know they have keywords they latch onto.
Kat

franshade's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:00 AM

I imagine if they linked on his phone connection or wifi, and found what he was up too any other on that network would of course be subject.

I dont care how they did it or why...I am just glad they found this sick sob.
We all know they have keywords they latch onto.
Kat


:thumbsup:

Problem is that I do care, with the limited information supplied and my obvious curiosity I like to know the why's? what's? when? where's? who's and how's of how my government and it's employees work.


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Thu 06/18/09 09:05 AM
In MA they get into chat groups and such and then when they have established that the person is after child porn or has child porn they get a search warrant to go after the IP address of the user. Unfortunately now with wifi and firewalls and such it can sometimes only pinpoint to a building. In that case they get a search warrant for the building and search the whole building.
Yes it is an invasion of privacy for the other people in the building NOT involved, but in a case like this I would freely let the cips go at it to get the sicko.

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Thu 06/18/09 09:09 AM

In MA they get into chat groups and such and then when they have established that the person is after child porn or has child porn they get a search warrant to go after the IP address of the user. Unfortunately now with wifi and firewalls and such it can sometimes only pinpoint to a building. In that case they get a search warrant for the building and search the whole building.
Yes it is an invasion of privacy for the other people in the building NOT involved, but in a case like this I would freely let the cips go at it to get the sicko.


not saying it's good nor bad, but it is up to the individuals in this scenario whether they allow or deny access, correct?


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Thu 06/18/09 09:11 AM


In MA they get into chat groups and such and then when they have established that the person is after child porn or has child porn they get a search warrant to go after the IP address of the user. Unfortunately now with wifi and firewalls and such it can sometimes only pinpoint to a building. In that case they get a search warrant for the building and search the whole building.
Yes it is an invasion of privacy for the other people in the building NOT involved, but in a case like this I would freely let the cips go at it to get the sicko.


not saying it's good nor bad, but it is up to the individuals in this scenario whether they allow or deny access, correct?



In MA it's done by search warrant so you don't have a choice. They will acess your computer.

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Thu 06/18/09 09:12 AM
I have always wondered if the state or government didn't have these sites some how monitored to lead them to these people.

they somehow had info on these people to get a search warrant. they can "hack" into the hard drive etc

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Thu 06/18/09 09:12 AM



In MA they get into chat groups and such and then when they have established that the person is after child porn or has child porn they get a search warrant to go after the IP address of the user. Unfortunately now with wifi and firewalls and such it can sometimes only pinpoint to a building. In that case they get a search warrant for the building and search the whole building.
Yes it is an invasion of privacy for the other people in the building NOT involved, but in a case like this I would freely let the cips go at it to get the sicko.


not saying it's good nor bad, but it is up to the individuals in this scenario whether they allow or deny access, correct?



In MA it's done by search warrant so you don't have a choice. They will acess your computer.


A search warrant allows complete access to everything in said location? correct? would it include an entire multi unit complex?

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Thu 06/18/09 09:13 AM

In MA they get into chat groups and such and then when they have established that the person is after child porn or has child porn they get a search warrant to go after the IP address of the user. Unfortunately now with wifi and firewalls and such it can sometimes only pinpoint to a building. In that case they get a search warrant for the building and search the whole building.
Yes it is an invasion of privacy for the other people in the building NOT involved, but in a case like this I would freely let the cips go at it to get the sicko.


well they could possibly get to check the i p address and if it is not the correct one

then they need to be on their way

it only takes one person to check an ip address

the others can wait outside the apt

or go to the other apts

to give a blanket warrant is not a proper way to handle it

and i would have a hard time letting them check mine

i would however print the screen w/the address on it and show them in the hall if they wished




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Thu 06/18/09 09:15 AM


In MA they get into chat groups and such and then when they have established that the person is after child porn or has child porn they get a search warrant to go after the IP address of the user. Unfortunately now with wifi and firewalls and such it can sometimes only pinpoint to a building. In that case they get a search warrant for the building and search the whole building.
Yes it is an invasion of privacy for the other people in the building NOT involved, but in a case like this I would freely let the cips go at it to get the sicko.


not saying it's good nor bad, but it is up to the individuals in this scenario whether they allow or deny access, correct?




If a judge signed a warrent for a whole building, it is legally binding. I am sure if someone wanted to push the issue and call their lawyer. They would just have the judge sign the warrent for that particular residence.

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Thu 06/18/09 09:19 AM




In MA they get into chat groups and such and then when they have established that the person is after child porn or has child porn they get a search warrant to go after the IP address of the user. Unfortunately now with wifi and firewalls and such it can sometimes only pinpoint to a building. In that case they get a search warrant for the building and search the whole building.
Yes it is an invasion of privacy for the other people in the building NOT involved, but in a case like this I would freely let the cips go at it to get the sicko.


not saying it's good nor bad, but it is up to the individuals in this scenario whether they allow or deny access, correct?



In MA it's done by search warrant so you don't have a choice. They will acess your computer.


A search warrant allows complete access to everything in said location? correct? would it include an entire multi unit complex?

They would have access to all the computers to check for matching address and then to be able to search that computer, and the residence it's in.

beachbum069's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:20 AM


In MA they get into chat groups and such and then when they have established that the person is after child porn or has child porn they get a search warrant to go after the IP address of the user. Unfortunately now with wifi and firewalls and such it can sometimes only pinpoint to a building. In that case they get a search warrant for the building and search the whole building.
Yes it is an invasion of privacy for the other people in the building NOT involved, but in a case like this I would freely let the cips go at it to get the sicko.


well they could possibly get to check the i p address and if it is not the correct one

then they need to be on their way

it only takes one person to check an ip address

the others can wait outside the apt

or go to the other apts

to give a blanket warrant is not a proper way to handle it

and i would have a hard time letting them check mine

i would however print the screen w/the address on it and show them in the hall if they wished





They would only be able to look at your computer for basically the ipconfig file,and network info but they would be doing it.

cottonelle's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:22 AM
i seen something on the news about technology they are using to catch people recieving, exchanging or whatever on there computer. they didnt go into detain and probably for good reason because why let these guys know the fbi`s tricks just so they can find a way around it so they dont get caught. and like scttrbrain said, i dont care how they did it or why, i am just glad they found this sick sob

i have nothing to hide so they can scan away on my computer and my activities on here just as long as it helps them catch more of these sick people to help put a stop to child porn

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:22 AM
I guess I read the OP differently. it said it lead them to the apartment complex but I didn't read it said for all in the complex. maybe it lead them there (as in general) but maybe when they scanned the computers it was more narrowed down?

hmmmmm I guess I need more coffee laugh

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Thu 06/18/09 09:22 AM
Edited by darkowl1 on Thu 06/18/09 09:25 AM
the patriot act voids the right of privacy now if they see fit to investigate. there's nothing they can't do now, and there's nothing you can do about it either, depending on the power they have, especially if it's federal, but state can use this also, but it has limmits, not sure what they are though.

oh, and this is florida they are talking about, lol. i've seen cops do strange things, especially if you were once out of state, and not a native.....they are predjudice sometimes....i've witnessed this first hand.

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Thu 06/18/09 09:25 AM



In MA they get into chat groups and such and then when they have established that the person is after child porn or has child porn they get a search warrant to go after the IP address of the user. Unfortunately now with wifi and firewalls and such it can sometimes only pinpoint to a building. In that case they get a search warrant for the building and search the whole building.
Yes it is an invasion of privacy for the other people in the building NOT involved, but in a case like this I would freely let the cips go at it to get the sicko.


not saying it's good nor bad, but it is up to the individuals in this scenario whether they allow or deny access, correct?




If a judge signed a warrent for a whole building, it is legally binding. I am sure if someone wanted to push the issue and call their lawyer. They would just have the judge sign the warrent for that particular residence.


kewl thanks

A warrant allows access to entire or portion of a location, as indicated on it-signed by judge (I watch tv)

No where do I see any type of protection for the innocent, just saying.

scttrbrain's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:27 AM
If someone wants my ip addy...they will find it..it matters not if they are law or perv. A hacker will find anything. So, I know full well that when I open up and type...I am out there for all to see. That is the very reason I am very careful what I say. I KNOW that a key word will open me up to someones eye.

There have been times I wanted to say something about somebody...but didnt because I knew it would and could get the attention of a man or woman of legal stature.

I know when I turn on this pc, I am out there....every single thing typed is saved somewhere.

Therefore I know that there is always that chance of everything I have said on here or any site I have been on can have anothers attention.

Look at the news...employers are now watching our communication to see if we are the type they would want to employ.

Kat

franshade's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:28 AM


In MA they get into chat groups and such and then when they have established that the person is after child porn or has child porn they get a search warrant to go after the IP address of the user. Unfortunately now with wifi and firewalls and such it can sometimes only pinpoint to a building. In that case they get a search warrant for the building and search the whole building.
Yes it is an invasion of privacy for the other people in the building NOT involved, but in a case like this I would freely let the cips go at it to get the sicko.


well they could possibly get to check the i p address and if it is not the correct one

then they need to be on their way

it only takes one person to check an ip address

the others can wait outside the apt

or go to the other apts

to give a blanket warrant is not a proper way to handle it

and i would have a hard time letting them check mine

i would however print the screen w/the address on it and show them in the hall if they wished


give me more Robin - all this because I have been watching too much tv laugh

I can't fathom a reason why a judge would give carte blance to an entire complex.



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