Topic: Man arrested for child porn
ThomasJB's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:29 AM
Doubtful they could get a warrant to search everyone's PC. If they could only trace it back as far as an apartment complex, then that leaves two possibilities the complex was using Wifi or a non wireless router and everyone had a network connection to their apartment. Either way the next step would likely be the check mac addresses (serial numbers) of the computers connecting to the router. They probably had to also catch the man in the act of downloading so they would know which mac was doing the downloading. The they would have to find the PC that was using that mac.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:33 AM
The FBI has recently adopted a novel investigative technique: posting hyperlinks that purport to be illegal videos of minors having sex, and then raiding the homes of anyone willing to click on them.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9899151-38.html

they could have done a sting in the OP

franshade's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:34 AM

If someone wants my ip addy...they will find it..it matters not if they are law or perv. A hacker will find anything. So, I know full well that when I open up and type...I am out there for all to see. That is the very reason I am very careful what I say. I KNOW that a key word will open me up to someones eye.

There have been times I wanted to say something about somebody...but didnt because I knew it would and could get the attention of a man or woman of legal stature.

I know when I turn on this pc, I am out there....every single thing typed is saved somewhere.

Therefore I know that there is always that chance of everything I have said on here or any site I have been on can have anothers attention.

Look at the news...employers are now watching our communication to see if we are the type they would want to employ.

Kat


Yes, employers can watch how employees use company equipment on company time. That is nothing new nor is it a secret, it is the companies property and employees must abide by their rules or work elsewhere. (choice :wink:)

I am concerned about my rights as a private citizen, nothing more, not making excuses for anyone who breaks the law. I just ask when I am curious or want to find out info.


franshade's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:37 AM

Doubtful they could get a warrant to search everyone's PC. If they could only trace it back as far as an apartment complex, then that leaves two possibilities the complex was using Wifi or a non wireless router and everyone had a network connection to their apartment. Either way the next step would likely be the check mac addresses (serial numbers) of the computers connecting to the router. They probably had to also catch the man in the act of downloading so they would know which mac was doing the downloading. The they would have to find the PC that was using that mac.


waving hi sunshine

In this instance (article) man confessed to downloading it (not questioning that at all)

I'm questioning the limits, boundaries that the LEO and agencies have.

Here's another one of my questions, computer stationed in X's apt. X has 3 roommates. LEO come properly prepared with warrant in hand; they find porn on comp. None of the 4 occupants admit to downloading said porn, who is responsible???

franshade's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:39 AM

The FBI has recently adopted a novel investigative technique: posting hyperlinks that purport to be illegal videos of minors having sex, and then raiding the homes of anyone willing to click on them.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9899151-38.html

they could have done a sting in the OP

sounds like entrapment (again not condoning just saying)

another scenario - I receive an email from a friend - their account gets hacked, and I receive an email which I open as person is my friend and we communicate daily with questionable pics on it (find out when I open email). Once pics are opened they are on the harddrive. Should I be arrested and tried for having questionable pics?

adj4u's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:41 AM


Doubtful they could get a warrant to search everyone's PC. If they could only trace it back as far as an apartment complex, then that leaves two possibilities the complex was using Wifi or a non wireless router and everyone had a network connection to their apartment. Either way the next step would likely be the check mac addresses (serial numbers) of the computers connecting to the router. They probably had to also catch the man in the act of downloading so they would know which mac was doing the downloading. The they would have to find the PC that was using that mac.


waving hi sunshine

In this instance (article) man confessed to downloading it (not questioning that at all)

I'm questioning the limits, boundaries that the LEO and agencies have.

Here's another one of my questions, computer stationed in X's apt. X has 3 roommates. LEO come properly prepared with warrant in hand; they find porn on comp. None of the 4 occupants admit to downloading said porn, who is responsible???


that is why you should have password protected accounts

just a thought

but hey what do i know

then they would have to investigate times and alibis

tanyaann's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:44 AM
I read the cnet article.

Personally, I don't think its entrapment. I don't know a whole lot about computers. However, how else are you going to catch people exchanging kid porn?

I think distributing links on well known sites that traffic kid porn, is not putting out the honeypot. If the site is 'risky' then why would you be on it.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:44 AM
if the computer isn't in someone's bed room (let's say) I believe they can charge all as accomplices at least

franshade's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:48 AM

I read the cnet article.

Personally, I don't think its entrapment. I don't know a whole lot about computers. However, how else are you going to catch people exchanging kid porn?

I think distributing links on well known sites that traffic kid porn, is not putting out the honeypot. If the site is 'risky' then why would you be on it.


Again Tanya not condoning any illegal acts but asking.

Entrapment is the act of a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense which should be illegal and the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.[1] In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal guilt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment

As to why if the site says "risky" why would I want to be on it, that's an assumption. What makes you think that all sites say risky? say adult material? say anything of the sort?


ThomasJB's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:49 AM

The FBI has recently adopted a novel investigative technique: posting hyperlinks that purport to be illegal videos of minors having sex, and then raiding the homes of anyone willing to click on them.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9899151-38.html

they could have done a sting in the OP


Said hyperlink can be copied and pasted and disguised without ever opening it. Sounds like a good way to get back at an ex. Click here for some nudes pics of Brittany Spears, next thing you know FBI are beating down the door. slaphead

franshade's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:49 AM

if the computer isn't in someone's bed room (let's say) I believe they can charge all as accomplices at least


That's what I thought, not very fair to the innocent parties is it. frown

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:51 AM


I read the cnet article.

Personally, I don't think its entrapment. I don't know a whole lot about computers. However, how else are you going to catch people exchanging kid porn?

I think distributing links on well known sites that traffic kid porn, is not putting out the honeypot. If the site is 'risky' then why would you be on it.


Again Tanya not condoning any illegal acts but asking.

Entrapment is the act of a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense which should be illegal and the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.[1] In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal guilt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment

As to why if the site says "risky" why would I want to be on it, that's an assumption. What makes you think that all sites say risky? say adult material? say anything of the sort?




I think it's a fine line. but the other side could argue that they went on the sites on their own free will.

it would be entrapment if thefake site said..."leanring to cook" and really was a fake porn site to catch someone.

make sense?

ThomasJB's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:52 AM


Doubtful they could get a warrant to search everyone's PC. If they could only trace it back as far as an apartment complex, then that leaves two possibilities the complex was using Wifi or a non wireless router and everyone had a network connection to their apartment. Either way the next step would likely be the check mac addresses (serial numbers) of the computers connecting to the router. They probably had to also catch the man in the act of downloading so they would know which mac was doing the downloading. The they would have to find the PC that was using that mac.


waving hi sunshine

In this instance (article) man confessed to downloading it (not questioning that at all)

I'm questioning the limits, boundaries that the LEO and agencies have.

Here's another one of my questions, computer stationed in X's apt. X has 3 roommates. LEO come properly prepared with warrant in hand; they find porn on comp. None of the 4 occupants admit to downloading said porn, who is responsible???


There are a few scenarios, but likely they all get arrested and let the courts sort things out. Then I presume you could argue your lack of involvement based on contextual activities on said computer.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:52 AM


if the computer isn't in someone's bed room (let's say) I believe they can charge all as accomplices at least


That's what I thought, not very fair to the innocent parties is it. frown


oh...they will turn on the guilty one. even go out of their way to show it's not theirs

tanyaann's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:52 AM


I read the cnet article.

Personally, I don't think its entrapment. I don't know a whole lot about computers. However, how else are you going to catch people exchanging kid porn?

I think distributing links on well known sites that traffic kid porn, is not putting out the honeypot. If the site is 'risky' then why would you be on it.


Again Tanya not condoning any illegal acts but asking.

Entrapment is the act of a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense which should be illegal and the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.[1] In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal guilt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment

As to why if the site says "risky" why would I want to be on it, that's an assumption. What makes you think that all sites say risky? say adult material? say anything of the sort?




If you read the cnet article, they stated that they posted a link with description that it was child porn in a chat room where child porn is frequently exchanged.

How is it entrapment, when its a known child porn 'place' and they had the option to click on it.

Granted there are accidents when clicking online. But still.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:53 AM


The FBI has recently adopted a novel investigative technique: posting hyperlinks that purport to be illegal videos of minors having sex, and then raiding the homes of anyone willing to click on them.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9899151-38.html

they could have done a sting in the OP


Said hyperlink can be copied and pasted and disguised without ever opening it. Sounds like a good way to get back at an ex. Click here for some nudes pics of Brittany Spears, next thing you know FBI are beating down the door. slaphead


laugh Brittany isn't a minor now laugh


ThomasJB's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:54 AM



Doubtful they could get a warrant to search everyone's PC. If they could only trace it back as far as an apartment complex, then that leaves two possibilities the complex was using Wifi or a non wireless router and everyone had a network connection to their apartment. Either way the next step would likely be the check mac addresses (serial numbers) of the computers connecting to the router. They probably had to also catch the man in the act of downloading so they would know which mac was doing the downloading. The they would have to find the PC that was using that mac.


waving hi sunshine

In this instance (article) man confessed to downloading it (not questioning that at all)

I'm questioning the limits, boundaries that the LEO and agencies have.

Here's another one of my questions, computer stationed in X's apt. X has 3 roommates. LEO come properly prepared with warrant in hand; they find porn on comp. None of the 4 occupants admit to downloading said porn, who is responsible???


that is why you should have password protected accounts

just a thought

but hey what do i know

then they would have to investigate times and alibis


Well that depends also on how the pc is set up. Even if they each have their own pw protected accounts someone of the group has to be admin and he would have the right(as in physical ability) to go into anyone's account.

franshade's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:56 AM



I read the cnet article.

Personally, I don't think its entrapment. I don't know a whole lot about computers. However, how else are you going to catch people exchanging kid porn?

I think distributing links on well known sites that traffic kid porn, is not putting out the honeypot. If the site is 'risky' then why would you be on it.


Again Tanya not condoning any illegal acts but asking.

Entrapment is the act of a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense which should be illegal and the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.[1] In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal guilt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment

As to why if the site says "risky" why would I want to be on it, that's an assumption. What makes you think that all sites say risky? say adult material? say anything of the sort?




If you read the cnet article, they stated that they posted a link with description that it was child porn in a chat room where child porn is frequently exchanged.

How is it entrapment, when its a known child porn 'place' and they had the option to click on it.

Granted there are accidents when clicking online. But still.


tanya - dont take this personally links can be named at will - all links do not reflect the actual url, have you ever received an email from a friend saying click here (hyperlink) it is done.

I question authority have most of my life :wink: as for it's being a known child porn 'place' Tanya that's to be determined, as I question the other side states (follow :wink:)


ThomasJB's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:56 AM



The FBI has recently adopted a novel investigative technique: posting hyperlinks that purport to be illegal videos of minors having sex, and then raiding the homes of anyone willing to click on them.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9899151-38.html

they could have done a sting in the OP


Said hyperlink can be copied and pasted and disguised without ever opening it. Sounds like a good way to get back at an ex. Click here for some nudes pics of Brittany Spears, next thing you know FBI are beating down the door. slaphead


laugh Brittany isn't a minor now laugh




The illegal pics are not of brittany, but her alleged legal nude pics are the bait.

franshade's photo
Thu 06/18/09 09:56 AM




Doubtful they could get a warrant to search everyone's PC. If they could only trace it back as far as an apartment complex, then that leaves two possibilities the complex was using Wifi or a non wireless router and everyone had a network connection to their apartment. Either way the next step would likely be the check mac addresses (serial numbers) of the computers connecting to the router. They probably had to also catch the man in the act of downloading so they would know which mac was doing the downloading. The they would have to find the PC that was using that mac.


waving hi sunshine

In this instance (article) man confessed to downloading it (not questioning that at all)

I'm questioning the limits, boundaries that the LEO and agencies have.

Here's another one of my questions, computer stationed in X's apt. X has 3 roommates. LEO come properly prepared with warrant in hand; they find porn on comp. None of the 4 occupants admit to downloading said porn, who is responsible???


that is why you should have password protected accounts

just a thought

but hey what do i know

then they would have to investigate times and alibis


Well that depends also on how the pc is set up. Even if they each have their own pw protected accounts someone of the group has to be admin and he would have the right(as in physical ability) to go into anyone's account.


the one with the most power/administrative rights is guilty? automatically???