I don't agree most of the time...but that doesn't mean I can't like the person outside of the forums. it's all good hun. we all have our own opinions on mmany things

thank you & do you know what?



i feel a big burden lifted...




just so people will understand me better


and then i need to get going and buckle down to my chores





I live & work in the city and so many people can be so hostile


so my defenses are up way high ~ much of the time

i avoid many people around here like the plague...

and many of them are child molestors

& lowlives right out of prison ~ total train wrecks





a wise Lady has to keep to oneself

in order to maintain her sanity & safety


and keep her high level of integrity & intelligence intact


and Not let others Ever mistake kindness for weakness



cause that is one of the first things

a vicious human predator looks for

when seeking out his next potential prey



so...it is easy for that kind of attitude

to roll over into the threads online too




and i am sure everyone has stuff they are dealing with

good and bad


...that roll into the threads here too



and by the way ...

even small towns are not safe

so be very careful





okay well, i have totally changed the topic here


sooo ... good day one and all

I think it should be called Pro choice and ANTI choice, cause it makes us folks that believe a woman SHOULD have the say so over her own body sound like we are pro death!!! I hate abortion but I also hate the thought of having the Govt. tell us what we Can and cant do in regards to what we do with our own bodies!!! Life IS precious but just as precious is the say so over our OWN physical decisions!!! AND Nessa my prayers are still with your Mom!!!

well if you follow the declaration of independence abortion is illegal

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endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life

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as soon as cells are created by their creator (their parents) thy have the unalienable right to life

just a thought

but hey

what do i know

More than you give yourself credit for



thanks soo much Adj !!!

who'd a thunk it huh

The pro-life and pro-choice movements primarily come into conflict on the issue of abortion. The pro-life movement argues that even non-viable, undeveloped human life is sacred and must be protected by the government. Abortion, according to this model, must not be legal, nor should it be widely practiced on an illegal basis.

The pro-choice movement argues that in cases where human personhood cannot be proven, e.g. in pregnancies prior to the point of viability, the government does not have the right to impede a woman's right to decide whether or not to continue a pregnancy


this is where the debate is. But it gets me that people can see it so black and white in the cases of rape or molestation. until someone is in that situation...they can NOT say what they would do

but upon creation of new cells they are created by their creator

what are they creating if not a human

i do not think that a dog or cat will be the creation created by to humans using their reproduction technique

again...But it gets me that people can see it so black and white in the cases of rape or molestation. until someone is in that situation...they can NOT say what they would do

do not shoot the messenger

i am just showing what the declaration of independence says

and applying it

imo

it is a bad idea to have kids

[i feel guilty of what my grandchildren will have to go through with the rights being taken away and given away so freely by those to lazy and ignorant to see it happening]

adj...I respect your point...but the debate between pro-life and pro-choice is WHEN the embryo/fetus is actually a living being (not sure I worded that correctly)

but again...until people walk in someone's shoe for their circumstance...it isn't cut and dry. even when it was illegal...women were going to back wood chop shops and bleeding to death or sick...or they would do something themselves to abort. it's no an easy choice if you aren't faced with it

like i said

upon the creation of a new cell

they are a creation created by their creator

and the declaration says

""endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life""

does not say when they become anything but are endowed by their creator (thus upon their creation they are endow with the right to life)

and it is not my point (it is a destruction point of the declaration)

i

adj....not to be nit picky....ok i am lol

but the Creator (hence the C not c) refers to God or Higher power

Well now if their creator meant as you suggest their parents, then certainly their parents can revoke that right. So your arguement there would certainly fall apart. However what the authors of the declaration of independence referred to as "creator" was God, not the parents. The question is at what point does a fetus become a human being. That is where the debate is not whether or not a human has a right to life.

you are assuming that creator is meant to be god

and the parent does not have the right to out weigh the declaration of independence

creator
Noun
a person who creates
Creator
Noun
the Creator God

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but with the seperation of church and state that throws out the god referance thus the only definition left is person who creates

thus the parents
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either you have separation or you do not

can not have it both ways

""""The question is at what point does a fetus become a human being. That is where the debate is not whether or not a human has a right to life."""

just curious

are they a puppy or cat or cow

hard to argue they are not human

i do not know of any human having a nonhuman offspring

thus they are human as soon as they are created

Oh Lord...


I can't believe i am reading this


For heaven's sake



wow..is it so hard to understand ???






A fetus is in the beginning stages in the creation of an infant human being


just like an egg is the start of whatever bird it was laid by

What species other than a human being could a fetus be ?

if it was conceived by the union of a human male and a human female





A Colorful Graceful Butterfly was once a dull, clumsy Caterpillar

but it blossomed into a Beautiful Butterfly

through the magical transition called Metamorphosis










There are four stages of becoming a frog

http://www.helium.com/items/1297061-a-look-at-the-stages-of-a-frogs-life



and during that time he becomes a polliwog or a tadpole



& then he becomes an adult frog



but they are still all the stages of a frog

And you say we shouldn't play games with the constitution!? If you want to use it so much you should do a bit more studying on it. The word creator was used to help maintain that separation, creator would be assumed to mean any god or deity that a person might believe in. Even though our forefathers were looking for religious freedom, atheism was still not really accepted as an alternative nor was it widely believed. Check with any proper authority on the constitution you choose and you'll find that creator applied to a deity not your parents.

and i believe that the parents are the deity that created them

and as you said """any god or deity that a person might believe in."""

so it fits