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Topic: Supermodel Kathy Ireland Lashes Out Against Pro Choice
Rapunzel's photo
Wed 05/20/09 07:41 AM


The pro-life and pro-choice movements primarily come into conflict on the issue of abortion. The pro-life movement argues that even non-viable, undeveloped human life is sacred and must be protected by the government. Abortion, according to this model, must not be legal, nor should it be widely practiced on an illegal basis.

The pro-choice movement argues that in cases where human personhood cannot be proven, e.g. in pregnancies prior to the point of viability, the government does not have the right to impede a woman's right to decide whether or not to continue a pregnancy


this is where the debate is. But it gets me that people can see it so black and white in the cases of rape or molestation. until someone is in that situation...they can NOT say what they would do






but upon creation of new cells they are created by their creator

what are they creating if not a human

i do not think that a dog or cat will be the creation created by to humans using their reproduction technique









is this it ///? yes, i agree , drinker

but i had to expound further on that observation flowerforyou

especially when others were still questioning huh

when a human baby blushing

actually becomes a human being....huh huh huh

or that brain activity is the deciding factor huh

when they discount all the other things...sad


eyelashes & fingernails at three months along flowerforyou

and so many other amazing changes so fast in a new life happy

what an amazing gracious Miracle :heart: :heart: :heart:

brought to us with such love :heart: by the Creator :angel: :thumbsup: :heart: :thumbsup: :angel:



& for some to suggest


that we reproduce something other than little humans huh


just the thought of that is completely absurd shocked




I have a book that i will find again about the Miracle of Birth

and quote something i read that is really something to think about


but it will have to wait...for i do need to get a move on flowers




Rapunzel's photo
Wed 05/20/09 07:42 AM

all this quoting is allowing me the freedom of deja vu

:laughing:





Good Morning Fran flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 05/20/09 07:47 AM
I will say this again...until a person is in the circumstances of another...don't judge because people can't honestly say what they would do. If someone doesn't agree with aborotion...that is their rights and beliefs but no one should force someone else to go along with what they believe

franshade's photo
Wed 05/20/09 07:59 AM

I will say this again...until a person is in the circumstances of another...don't judge because people can't honestly say what they would do. If someone doesn't agree with aborotion...that is their rights and beliefs but no one should force someone else to go along with what they believe


good morning sunshine - Imma judge you just cuz I can - take that.

I think you're swell (having a 60's moment here) lol

I'm with you - regardless of how a person feels about abortion -- to watch and stand by while the 'rights' of another are being violated, limited or eliminated, might as well accept the fact that 'your' rights will soon be terminated as well.


franshade's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:00 AM
GM Rapunzel

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:02 AM


I will say this again...until a person is in the circumstances of another...don't judge because people can't honestly say what they would do. If someone doesn't agree with aborotion...that is their rights and beliefs but no one should force someone else to go along with what they believe


good morning sunshine - Imma judge you just cuz I can - take that.

I think you're swell (having a 60's moment here) lol

I'm with you - regardless of how a person feels about abortion -- to watch and stand by while the 'rights' of another are being violated, limited or eliminated, might as well accept the fact that 'your' rights will soon be terminated as well.




laugh i think you are too hip to be square:thumbsup:

Rapunzel's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:11 AM
flowerforyou Good Morning Yellow Rose flowerforyou

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:12 AM
good morning rapunzel. I hope you mom is doing better flowerforyou

metalwing's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:21 AM
Good morning Rose and Nessa.

I don't think the government should make any decisions about what happens to a woman's body. There is a place for government. This isn't it.

franshade's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:22 AM
and a top of the morning to you too metal :smile:

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:25 AM

Good morning Rose and Nessa.

I don't think the government should make any decisions about what happens to a woman's body. There is a place for government. This isn't it.


good morning you hip daddyoflowerforyou

adj4u's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:28 AM

I will say this again...until a person is in the circumstances of another...don't judge because people can't honestly say what they would do. If someone doesn't agree with aborotion...that is their rights and beliefs but no one should force someone else to go along with what they believe


"""in the circumstances of another...don't judge because people can't honestly say what they would do."""

does not matter

if the fact of the matter is technically it is unlawful then it is unlawful

does not make any difference what one would if the law is broken it is broken

if you need a major amount of money to save a life (and you steal it) does that make it not against the law --- no it does not

it matters not what one would do till they do it

what matters is the twisting of the very principals upon which this country was founded and millions of our people died to protect

is abortion wrong because of religious belief (yes but that is the wrong argument and when the religious get their heads out of their gods ass and argue the case on merit rather than religion they may win) but the 1st amendment makes that an unruly argument and it gets thrown out every time or at least it should be




metalwing's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:30 AM
Hi Franshade.

Rose, no matter what the other guys say, I get the cooking duties.

adj4u's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:31 AM

Good morning Rose and Nessa.

I don't think the government should make any decisions about what happens to a woman's body. There is a place for government. This isn't it.


and what about the body of the unborn developing human that is protected by the doi as having the right to life

no one has come up with a justifiable argument that removes that right yet


yellowrose10's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:35 AM
Roe V Wade...the courts found it legal. and again..until someone gets pregnant especially do to bad circumstances...it's not clear cut. as much as people want to say "this is what I would do" they don't really know.

adj4u's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:42 AM

Roe V Wade...the courts found it legal. and again..until someone gets pregnant especially do to bad circumstances...it's not clear cut. as much as people want to say "this is what I would do" they don't really know.



that is because they argued the wrong argument

if they argue the proper argument it will be overturned imo

like i said in the past i really do not care but if you want to argue it the argument i have been using has yet to be defeated with a legitimate point


franshade's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:47 AM


Roe V Wade...the courts found it legal. and again..until someone gets pregnant especially do to bad circumstances...it's not clear cut. as much as people want to say "this is what I would do" they don't really know.



that is because they argued the wrong argument

if they argue the proper argument it will be overturned imo

like i said in the past i really do not care but if you want to argue it the argument i have been using has yet to be defeated with a legitimate point

that is your interpretation :wink:


adj4u's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:49 AM



Roe V Wade...the courts found it legal. and again..until someone gets pregnant especially do to bad circumstances...it's not clear cut. as much as people want to say "this is what I would do" they don't really know.



that is because they argued the wrong argument

if they argue the proper argument it will be overturned imo

like i said in the past i really do not care but if you want to argue it the argument i have been using has yet to be defeated with a legitimate point

that is your interpretation :wink:




no i did not interpret it

it is literal show me where i used an interpretation


yellowrose10's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:49 AM


Roe V Wade...the courts found it legal. and again..until someone gets pregnant especially do to bad circumstances...it's not clear cut. as much as people want to say "this is what I would do" they don't really know.



that is because they argued the wrong argument

if they argue the proper argument it will be overturned imo

like i said in the past i really do not care but if you want to argue it the argument i have been using has yet to be defeated with a legitimate point




scientist can't agree one whether the fetus is more than a group of cells or whether it is a person until a certain point.

people kill brain cells with drugs all the time...is that really any different if one believes the fetus isn't more than cells especially the first trimester?

adj4u's photo
Wed 05/20/09 08:52 AM



Roe V Wade...the courts found it legal. and again..until someone gets pregnant especially do to bad circumstances...it's not clear cut. as much as people want to say "this is what I would do" they don't really know.



that is because they argued the wrong argument

if they argue the proper argument it will be overturned imo

like i said in the past i really do not care but if you want to argue it the argument i have been using has yet to be defeated with a legitimate point




scientist can't agree one whether the fetus is more than a group of cells or whether it is a person until a certain point.

people kill brain cells with drugs all the time...is that really any different if one believes the fetus isn't more than cells especially the first trimester?


now that is a perfect example of an interpretation


what kind of cells are they

and were they created

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