yea, as sanity the angel's indeed hold in the palm of the hands, but if the angel's deliver the proper meaning of the hologram, than it is but a understood reality hologram to become reality indeed.

had you not heard, everyone has a personal angel indeed, that walk beside thee, one's greater self and host it be, that if one ask what it does not understand, it will answer quickly thee, if one ask for the love of other's to see, wishing to help the downtrodden if it be from the heart one's plea, the angel's indeed shall answer all questions for thee, and if what is spoken is not understood, then ask again to see, what the eye cannot imagine or begin to surmize as reality, in this present realm of old reality.

peace

OMG, Jeanie, you started this great thread about the aliens, and look where you ended it up -- a Conspiracy theory [*CT*] of the rich (i.e. representatives of the aliens [*RA*]) against the slaves (?)!!
***{spoken like a real marxist! LOL}***
Unfortunately, that has nothing (well, very little) to do with the Political Economy, though I can see what you're getting at:
for if the CT were true, then why wouldn't the rich supply the slaves with anything more than the bare means of subsistance (i.e. food and shelter)?!! Yet, they (rich/RA) prefer us (slaves) develop our PERSONAL INITIATIVE which appears to be driving the progress (and even lets some of the slaves join the ranks of the rich/RA). After all -- aside of the descendants of the royalty -- most of the modern rich are/have-been self-made: labouring hard to bring their ideas/improvements to the market, in response to the need of relieving the slaves off of the hard/monotonous labour (like, for example, the guys who've invented the PC).
Look at Henry Ford -- one of the most prominent forefathers of the capitalizm: he's developed the prototype of the 1st automobile at his garage... (and, eventually, has joined the ranks of the most rich!)

I personally happen to know some of the immigrants, who've come to this part of the world within the past 20-30 years -- a few of them are already full blown millionaires! -- due to nothing more but their own initiatives! ! !

I am sorry, but the Conspiracy Theory doesn't fly!
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Even if aliens have built a single pyramid -- to burry their deceased comrade -- the rest of the pyramids might've been errected by the humans themselves (i.e. monkey see -- monkey do) using the instruments left behind by the aliens. But when those instruments mulfunctioned -- ran out of power -- the pharos had to resort to coercion...

P.S. The reason I'm so confident is because I have inherited an ancient Crystal Ball... LO-O-OL!!!
. . . . Take it easy...

I don't call it a conspiracy theory. I call it evident. The world (and the galaxy) is all about business. Do you know what the products are?

On this world, the currency (products) are people, weapons, technology, drugs and minerals and natural resources.

I can answer your question.




It is because the creative faculty exists on the 80-20 principle. New ideas come from the poor slaves more so than the already rich. They come from humans rather than aliens who rely on centuries of technology and galactic tradition. They (the aliens and the elite) are very unimaginative.

The elite depend on the slaves for ideas and innovations which they steal or purchase for a fraction of what they are worth. These will not be forthcoming if the slaves believe that they are oppressed or that they are slaves. Therefore they are allowed or led to feel that they are free to reach their highest potential.

Those that do reach very high places are closely watched, and controled you can be certain of that.

Why do you think that Oprah has been called "A very dangerous woman?"

Very interesting JB. I will have to ponder that for a while

Do you seriously propose that the aliens -- capable of at least an inter-stellar flight (not to mention the inter-gallactic one) -- have landed for the sole purpose of enslaving the primitive humans, in hope that (once evolved) those pittyful humans might enable them (or their representatives -- the rich) devise a way of eventually conquering the Universe???!!!
Then, I suppose, those aliens have been in a hurry:
2-3 thousand of years is nothing -- on the Universe-al scale!!!

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* I urge you, dear, be careful:
you might be disclosing a highly sensitive information which most of the slaves (products) aren't supposed to be aware of!!!
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*** SORRY, but I'm gonna have to report you to your leader, QOZA#_8!
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* * * But what's most frightening is that -- somewhere at the deep gut level -- I suspect YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT! ! !
(Apparently, Atlantis had been panished for their refusal to co-operate! ! !)
__________________God, help us!

I have studied the topic and found some of the "evidence" to be absurd. I have found some of to be "hard" and much of it to be somewhere in between. The fact is that there is a lot of evidence. I went to Manchu Piccu and examined the construction of the stones and did not see any possible way a human culture could carry 200 ton stones up a mountain. I saw a show some time ago where a group tried to move just one much smaller stone up the mountain using ropes and manual labor. They gave up.

Food for thought.

The structure of matter is changing and has changed. "Things were lighter back then" was what I heard said. I can't remember where I heard that but it rang true.

Gravity is not entirely understood even today. Electromagnetism, wormholes, the field all have something to do with what is used for inter galactic travel to propel space craft across the galaxy.

The structure of matter, reality, gravity, and electromagnetism etc. all have something to do with how those large stones were moved. I'm not a scientist so I don't try to figure that stuff out. There are greater minds who should be working on that. I can't understand why they have not figured it out yet. Where are the great minds when you need them.

At least they are working on proving that the "particle" has no real substance in that giant particle accelerator everyone is so worried about. People are afraid they will create a wormhole that will swallow the earth. I don't think so. Wormholes are everywhere.

what do you think will happen when the fact that each human is a "wormhole" gets out???

I think you are confusing wormholes with worms, as it were.

Gravity comes into play with eleventh dimensional mathematics. For about the last twenty years or so it was known as the "string" theory. A few years ago most of the mathematicians got together and decided the eleventh dimension was the one that made the basic ten make sense and mostly have agreed on the "M" theory. This concept puts all matter in a thin flat membrane. If you look at it sorta like electromagnetism but all points in the universe being the same distance apart (I forget how far, just a couple of inches I think)gravity begins to act in a more rational way. In four dimensional space gravity isn't blocked, shielded, or warped. It warps space instead. The drive for your basic star cruiser will probably not need that much power because it takes too much in four dimensional space. It will probably simply "turn" space and maybe time to go from place to place, i.e. Frank Herbert's dune. Folding space takes more skill than power and sounds less boring anyway. I would hate to hit a grain of sand at the speed of light.

Which, by the way, is what Einstein decided in one of his thought games which ended up with E=mcc. Once a grain of sand's potential energy equals its mass, no more energy can be added and no more speed can be attained (in four dimensional space). The grain of sand becomes pure energy. Mass is energy. Energy is mass. The worm is spice.

Good read.

Oh your right!

So becuase we cant explain it, its either super advanced technology, or magic huh?

hahah. Love this crowd.

You know that too huh? I didn't want to say anything. It might freak people out.

people are not gonna EVER naturally like, what it take's to crawl back thru the wormhole of self, back thru self and out of self, to look in the mirror of all self is, which is to align oneself with the universe and cosmos, of all things as equal, and balanced and aligned with the universe, which make self pride for the sake of self vanity or most correct or most liked, as doomed, as the only thing that stand in the way of equal universal love, and universal love is what the universe shall stir and shake and make thru 2012 indeed, which make anything that hold to pride for self right alone, as doomed in the years to come???

pride is not bad AT ALL, but just self pride in self alone, that damn the eye's, to not seeing more than self think or see, and as for universal pride in all, it conquer all things less desirable???

a sad thing for any heart to see indeed, as mountain in front of all it be......

peace

Not "super advanced technology" as I have said. It is "different" technology. (There is no "magic" only technology.)

And you just sit there waiting for someone else to figure it out or prove it for you. You have no theories, no ideas, you do no real research, you neither ask or answer any of the hard questions, you just hold on to what you know is real and make fun of everyone else who might have an idea or theory or the imagination enough to come up with an answer that 'might' be truth.

And I don't see you solving any problems or finding any answers or even speculating about anything. What are you afraid of? Being wrong? Looking silly? You seem to be on some kind of pedestal sitting in judgment of other people's creative thought and ideas.

You are stalled out like so many other so called scientific thinkers who don't dare to imagine or go beyond the boundaries of what they know as known science.

You hold in your hand what you consider to be facts. Some of them are wrong. Maybe a lot of them are wrong, which is what keeps you stalled and in the same rut that is a dead end, and in lack of reasonable answers to questions that we pose.

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Listen, JB, take it easy! There's no reason to embarrass the poor fellow who's just trying to cover up the insufficiency of his competence with the giggling... Such is the human nature:
they giggle aimlessly when they have nothing to add to the discussion... OR they pretend to know all the answers, but feel its beneath them adding anything... (in which case, why join the discussion? to belittle everyone? Then its regretable, and shows their ignorance and/or imprudence!)
But, I think, any contr-attack would indicate their comments have gotten to you, thereby giving them some validity...

So true. In any discussion I look for people's new ideas and some imagination, speculation etc. Some people just don't have any ideas or answers, but yet they act as if they know more than anyone else without contributing anything new. They take the safe road.

Sometimes I just like to get to the point and be strait forward with how I feel about things and what is possible. I'm quite used to people laughing at my ideas, calling me crazy, asking me to prove this or that.

I believe what I believe because I have weighed the evidence and information that I have found. I am not committed to proving anything to anyone, nor am I committed to either camp one way or another, nor am I steeped in the dogma of science or religion. I owe no allegiance to anyone.

My desire is to remain open to new information from all directions and weigh it with what I know and have. My conclusions are in pencil not written in stone. One has to remain open to receive the truth when it shows up.

And trust me when I say... It ain't here yet. When it gets here, you ain't gonna believe it if you are steeped in any dogma.

Opps! Typo there!

I did not go to Macchu Piccu as a layman staring at the rocks and wondering what was going on. I went as a trained engineer and founder of the Masonry Society of America. I examined the construction with full knowledge of what it would take to cut a two hundred ton block of stone and fit it together in a complex shape that would not pass a razor blade in the joint at any point. I studied the geology of the entire region and noted that twelve thousand years must pass for the water in the lakes to meet the docks which have been abandoned. I studied the glyphs on the desert which can only be seen properly from space. The evidence stated clearly that we have lost knowledge of our past. That knowledge may contain ways of doing things we are unable to do now or it may contain knowledge of other races, species, aliens, or who know what that did them for us, or maybe in spite of us.

On the other hand I have read books and stories claiming mysteries about things that almost any good engineer knows from birth. Somewhere between what you see and what you get is the truth about what we don't know. There is a LOT of hard evidence of visitation. Someone explain Michael Jackson.

Quite a nice diatribe. You dont see me posting here lately becuase I am studying and spending time with my new girl friend.

I would LOVE to see some real evidence of an ancient astronaut. My absolute favorite book is called Mutineer's moon by David Weber. Its a story about the origin of humanity on earth and deals with the whole ancient astronaut theory. Wonderful book, again my absolute Favorite of all time in fact.

I think everyone should be very critical of people claiming these kinds of things, how else are we to verify the alleged evidence?

I think the moment you take it for granted, or fail to ask the really hard questions you have set yourself up to become a simple minded follower of sci fi cult fiction fantasy.

No offense . . .


Its still an argument from ignorance regardless of how qualified you think you are. You either have a direct evidence based conclusion, or you are stating that becuase we don't know then it must be ____________

You can fill in the blank becuase any argument from ignorance fallacy would be just as good as any other.