WTF?

Sorry--just a little joke...

The main problem with the ancient astronaut theory is explaining why we have genetic inheritance from nearly every living thing on earth?

I guess one would have to pose a scenario much like that one star trek movie with the whole genesis dealeo?

Hmm. But then that still does not solve the issues completely, that would still just have us evolving normally on a world that life was started from an ancient technological civilization.



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As far as the post about previous civilizations on earth . . . having discrepancies and not knowing why ancients could produce such good maps . . . doesn't equal evidence for ancient civilizations.

Its not even close to compelling. If you could find an ancient blackberry, or some Styrofoam dated back 50K years THAT would be compelling.

HAHA.

Compelling for you because you naturally expect that "technology" from a completely alien life form (other than human) would be the same as what we have seen develop here now.

I have suggested before that the "alien life" in this galaxy is not human. Their technology would likely be totally different from what you think of as our own technology. Even their math would be different.

The following is just my idea. You can regard it as pure fiction if you want.

Two worlds (galaxies) collided long ago and this galaxy (the milky way) adopted our solar system. This solar system is not from this Galaxy.

The programs and information contained in this solar system, I suspect, was designed to evolve in a different direction and with different kinds of life forms. That DNA information, (contained in the material) also contains memory and a completely different foundation for life and consciousness to develop. (This stuff comes from the inner core of the planets.)

In fact, WE ARE THE ALIENS.

The reptilian culture of this galaxy took this solar system in its early stages of development of intelligent life, and tinkered with the evolving life forms for a reason. It was different and BETTER than theirs. It was warm blooded, emotional, imaginative while their culture is cold, with less emotions, and less imagination. Less love. Their technology is only advanced because they are a very very old culture.

But compared to the technology that existed in our home galaxy, theirs is primitive and very limited.

Our current 'technology' such as blackberries etc. is a result of the combined imagination and inventions of both cultures that naturally developed through the the group think consciousness.

Don't get all riled up now, I'm just making this stuff up. There is no way to verify it. A little bird told me.

Technology is based on certain fundamental properties of materials and there intrinsic chemistry.

That means to make a transistor requires the same materials.

Typically if a we find a new way or doing something that is "better" we first had to go through the baby steps stage which makes use of rather basic designs.

If a previous civilization made use of transistors in any way there should be remnants of that technology still here today in the form of plastics, both non, super, and semi conducting materials.

The technology can be vastly different but its still going to be based on the fundamentals of physics.

AND.

IMNSHO if a civilization found a new material that was even better at being a transistor I would think it would be even more durable then what we use today: silicon and thus would be even easier to find remnants of in the soil.

I am not saying it hasn't happened, just we have not found any holy grails of ancient technologies.

Even if the tech was SOOOO different that we had no idea the purpose of the item we would still know it was made. Nature and technology are easily distinguishable.

The better the tech, the less you have to maintain it, and thus its made to last . . . thus it would be around longer then bones, of which we find plenty in the ground a long with tools, ect.

If a civilization where instead of 50K years old, but millions, then yea we prob would not find much, but maybe something, now if it was 100Millions years old, well ****.

But then you still have to fit it into the time line and wonder why these fairly stupid unevolved apes could create anything technological?


Again perhaps its just me, but not very compelling unless we did not come from these ancient astronauts and they where either A) from 50-100 million years or more ago and genetically identical to evolving apes (sha yea right) yet smarter, and/or B) left with all there stuff.


Genetics of all life on earth firmly places us as decedents of even plants . . . . so that kinda puts a nasty little kink in the story of an ancient astronaut, its something that makes resolving us as them pretty hard to do. Unless all life on earth came from ancient astronauts 4.5 billion year ago.

Now that is a story that has no kinks I can think of . . . .

Yes, I agree. But what about physics? Do we know the whole story, the whole picture? Are we missing something anything? If we are, we certainly don't know it.

Also, just as evolutionary change can branch off of one tiny thing, so can technology branch off of one tiny discovery and go down a completely different path.

If this happens to a society who lack imagination and creativity, (or love and compassion) they can easily get stuck in a rut with what they know and just keep digging that rut deeper, only expanding their knowledge from where they are in the rut.

One tiny important discovery that was missed could take this culture down a narrow road of building onto only what they know and have.

The difference is in the makeup of the thinking centers (conscious beings.) Warm blooded evolved beings (Humans from Lemurs) vs reptilian beings (from reptilian origins, or lizard-like snake people.)

If humans can evolve from lemurs, (in a relatively short span of time) it is not too far fetched to think that an intelligent reptilian humanoid could evolve from dinosaurs, lizards, or fish from the sea given millions or even billions of years.

Sure, I agree whole heartedly with everything in this last post.

Or even non carbon life. There is no reason to believe that life could not have formed based on silicon.

But the question is of course can any evidence be found to give support to the idea of an ancient astronaut?

Well there is a lot of evidence. The pyramids, (all over the world) Pictures of flying things in ancient ruins. Ancient Airports and drawings of figures that can only be seen from the air. I'm sure you have been through all of those forms of 'evidence' and found some way to explain or disregard it in some way.

Or perhaps there was a culture of humans that was highly advance and had flight etc. that was totally destroyed off the face of the earth and then we started again... some people think that is possible.

I think its the snake and lizard people.

The nazca lines can be seen from mountains. So . . . .
Even if it couldn't . . Why would it have to have been created to be seen in flight, why is that the only answer? Gods would see it . . . that has been plenty of motive for many artists to do things that are less then practical.

The rest of this isn't even circumstantial. Its not even correlative.


Maybe I am dumb but you will have to spell out your conclusions in more detail. You can write off Nazca lines as its not evidence of technology no matter how you look at it . . .

IMO, the only "evidence" there is, is using the modern mind, and the modern explanation. "This looks like X, so they must of had X" or "We can only see X, from the sky, therefore they could somehow fly"

As far as the drawings that can only be seen from the sky, I find it more likely that they were put there so that some ancient god could see it.

But, that is just my take on things.

Right, and again speculation of motivation is hardly evidence.

Get me some bipedal reptilian fossils along with unexplained devices that date back to ancient times, then we will have irrefutable evidence.

Give me some ancient structures that where built to accommodate these reptilians then we will be cooking.

If they are around today then get some skin cells so we can analyze the DNA and mark the ancestral divergence.

Its all a nice story, but unless we are going to write a sci fi book its all useless until real evidence, the kind that does not require speculation to be significant can be found.

If anyone had any skin cells of reptilian nature I doubt they would give them to you.

Also, you would probably claim they were scraped from an iguana or something, and then demand a full blown alien.

Now if these creatures do exist and hide among humans, and have been here ages longer than humans, I am quite sure they know how to keep hidden and how to destroy evidence.

But there are those who openly claim to be non-human and a member of the dragon race or a descendant. (And claim royal blood lines.) And you will find reptilian DNA in just about everyone. (Some more than others.)

Billy, I think you would make a good alien investigator. Go for it with the attitude to debunk all the witnesses and evidence. You might find something.

Has anyone seen "Alien VS. Predator" where it shows the Predators(who are based on Draconians) in the ancient past teaching humans how to build pyramids and stuff?

Thats too bad, I wonder why?
Without a reason too I would not. If I took skin cells from an iguana and had them tested, and the DNA was a match at the species level, then yes I would, otherwise I would not.


Like Gattaca huh?

Sure and some folk claim to be Napolean, or Elvis.

We all have reptilian DNA, but its clear this is ancestral and does not get coded for. This illustrates that on the path of common decent we branched off from modern reptiles, its easy to see where in the code this occurs also . . . this further highlights how we have evolved here on planet earth.

Not to toot my own horn but I am good at everything I do. 50% proper approach 50% desire.

Jack of all trades master of none. That has more to do with my wondering curiosity then anything else sadly.

Curiosity is a good thing. But it does kill a lot of cats. LOL

indeed

Jeremy, for someone who calls himself a Scientist, you have a very peculiar disregard for SPECULATION which is the basis of all scientific breakthroughs!!! (i.e. HYPOTHESIS)

Also, as with some of the breakthroughs, they are never made public right away, but only after estimating most/all of the effects connected with unleashing the knowledge onto the public... (Or the knowledge might undermine the profits of some groups!):

*** 20 years ago, a scientist at the research institute has proposed a fully developed plan for the electric car. Unfortunately, people from Ford have purchased the project (and, probably, stashed it under the table...)
*** the reason I'm aware of the incident is because a scientist is my uncle________________________________________

Thus, as I mentioned previously, your text books might be quite outdated and/or incomplete...
IF ALL OF THE HARD EVIDENCE HAD BEEN WRITTEN IN STONE, THERE WOULD BE NO ARGUMENTS. . .

As for aliens (i.e. visitors from the future) visiting the encient Earth... Listen, YOU CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE THE TECHNOLOGY OF THE NEXT YEAR, not to mention that of a distant future!!!***
Thus, hoping to find the remains of such a technology -- the hard evidence (like the pyramids of Piccu Machu?) -- would be a futile attempt because:
1) the law of Non-Interference is Universal (as in Universe) -- prohibiting leaving anything behind...

2) nobody would even recognise any of the instruments/their purpose -- in case the law of Non-Interference had been violated...
(in which case, any fossils might've been already discarded as some voodoo paraphernalia...)

Besides, God-like spiritual beings have no need for primitive silicon-based gadgets...

*** SO, HERE'S TO YOUR INQUISITIVE MIND:
I applaud it becaise you don't accept any bullsheet easily! ! !

...THE UNIFIED THEORY OF CREATION AND EVOLUTION[
Evolution of an Animal into a Human being is questionable -- otherwise the planet would be populated with various human-like Animals and animal-like Humans (although the latter is often the case even nowadays...)

Apparently, the prehistoric Australopitecus might've evolved naturally... However, without an "outside" help they would never be capable of developing the Soul! (i.e. Reason)

And that's where the "visitors" might've influence the Evolution -- by installing the Soul into a pair of Human-like animals, named Adam and Eve... The rest, as they say, is History (or Evolution, if you prefer)...

... Actual names might've been changed -- to preserve their privacy.

P.S. Any resemblance to actual beings is simply coincidental!!!

These posts are a lot fun and allow people to exchange ideas about what they know, what they think might happen in the future or could have happened in the past. Some posters know about certain areas of interest and share their knowledge. Some posters share their imagination to the benefit of all. Some posters pass off misunderstanding as knowledge which leads to confusion for those seeking understanding.

Few people could have imagined the technology we have today from fifty years ago. Even fewer could have predicted the technology of the atom bombs and warplanes fifty years before World War II.

Looking far into the future or past is a bit like the story of the two blind midgets examining an elephant for the first time and having no prior knowledge or experience. One wraps his arms around the leg and says "he is like a tree!". The other touches the trunk as it moves and says "No, he is like a giant snake."

Future technology will probably be organic based and will not resemble anything we have today. It will probably be biodegradable for the simple reason that we already recognize the need for this and should have long ago.