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Satan will never have the upper hand. He is already defeated. His day is coming and all those who reject God. God wishes for none to perish, but many will, because of their unbelief. Any supremely intelligent being would know the difference between rejection, nonbelief, and unbelief. 
No intelligent divine entity would be so stupid as to think that non-belief = rejection. To suggest as much is to suggest that God is an idiot. |
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Edited by
norslyman
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To be perfectly honesty with you I feel that Mediterranean mythology got way off track in many areas. The Bible, the Torah, and even the Koran all stem from the same Mediterranean folklore. Why would they have gotten so disoriented and off-track if they were based on "The word of God"? Also, why believe in the Bible over the Torah or Koran? I mean if you're going to believe in the Mediterranean folklore why single out the Bible? As far as I'm concerned Jesus denounced some of the major commandments of the God of Abraham. Such as stoning sinners to death (which the Jews were still doing in Jesus day), and Jesus also taught to turn the other cheek (forgive) instead of, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth (seek vengeance), that the God of Abraham taught. I don't see how Jesus could have possible had anything to do with the God of Abraham. I believe that Jesus was trying to teach the way of the wizard (i.e. Buddhism) ??????? The Torah IS the Bible. Yashua fulfilled every word of the Torah. He lived the Torah, he WAS the Torah, he wrote the Torah. He said he would not even change "one jot or title" of the Torah. He didn't bring in a new covenant, but a RENEWED covenant. Where he would write the Torah on our hearts. Before Abraham was, he existed. The only part of Torah done away with is the animal sacrifice. There is a major revival going on in Israel right now among the Messianic churches, many Jews are accepting their Messiah. I believe we should still put muderers and rapists to death - not necesarily by stoning - a bullet would suffice. |
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He said he would not even change "one jot or title" of the Torah. That's one of the great contradictions of the Bible. He supposedly said one thing, but then went on to do quite another. There's no way that the teachings of Jesus agreed with the teachings of the God of Abraham, they were quite the opposite. Jesus taught brotherly love, forgivness, and turning the other cheek. The God of Abraham taught heathenly hatred, vengence, and to murder heathens. Jesus obviously didn't agree with any of that. There's no way that Jesus was the God of Abraham. He was the totally opposite persona. |
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God wishes for none to perish, but many will, because of their unbelief. God wishes none to parish, but many will, because they don't believe. Sounds like a contradiction to me. And if Satan has already been defeated, one might want to discuss that with some fellow Christians would absolutely disagree with that one. For me, I just refuse to live in fear of anyone I can't see, much less carry on a conversation with that wouldn't get me hauled off to the loon farm if I did it in public. Now if we are talking about fear of people I can see, that would be Christians dominating the world. That is scary to me. |
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Yes well those secular orgs do just that...kill steal & destroy...but they have the public think they are a bunch of do gooders. I have a bridge to those people too.
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Nobody has tackled my main question yet. If the Devil does not exist, why do the elite (who control the world) worship him? And surprise, surprise - their deeds are evil. I would further add the the #1 religion in America has become Asthoreth worship - the porn industry. In the OT Israel's enemies always worshipped these gods of fertility. The Masons are obsessed with sex. Who speaks out more against the porn industry today than the church? Who supports family values more than the church? There are UN quotes such as "The family is a disease and must be destroyed". If man were to come up with an ideal religion it would be Baal and Astoreth worship. Lots of free sex and just sacrifice the children so you have no responsibility. Anyone that thinks the bible was conceived by man is kidding themselves. Living a life is high morals is very difficult. Now really, tell me who you would rather have as a neighbor? Ned Flanders, or Ted Bundy (seemingly a good little law student). Not one of you is going to want to live next to Ted Bundy. Not one of you has acknowledged all the good things the church does in the world. It's the public who are decieved...that's why they want to neutralize the works of the devil. I get that just from what is posted on these boards. |
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Now if we are talking about fear of people I can see, that would be Christians dominating the world. That is scary to me. Truly. The real evil in the world stems from overzealous religious fanatics. In fact, it only takes a glance at history to see where the real evil lies. Christianity was responsible for more heinous crimes of humanity than all other religions put together save for maybe Islam which is actually just a fragment of the very same confused religion. Christianity is a proven failure as a system of moral values. Christians have historically been some of the least moral cultures on earth. In fact, if people want to complain about the USA guess what? It was influenced by the Christian belief system more than anything else. Christianty certainly had a negative affect on my own personal life, I am a living testament to that. Fortunately I had far greater morals on my own. In fact, I reject the religon as being immoral. I mean just based on it's Old Testament alone, it's a highly immoral religion. The biblical God is an immoral God not much better than Zeus (if even better) In fact the whole Mediterranean mythology isn't all that much different from Greek Mythology, it's still based on the same stupid blood sacrificing. How anyone can believe that the creator of this universe would be appeased by blood sacrifices is beyond me. People must have a seriously low opinion of God to believe in such a heinous religion. |
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Yes well those secular orgs do just that...kill steal & destroy...but they have the public think they are a bunch of do gooders. I have a bridge to those people too.
yeah like the red cross, all they do is kill steal and destroy. We need to get rid of scular orgs. like them. And start giving our money to people like Ted Haggard and Robert Tilltin and Pat Robertson.
Oh man your funny |
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Adolph Hitler was a Catholic.
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sun 01/11/09 08:30 AM
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The Masons are the most obvious example.
George Washington was a Freemason as were several of the Founding Fathers. Many were Deists. |
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The Torah IS the Bible. Yashua fulfilled every word of the Torah. He lived the Torah, he WAS the Torah, he wrote the Torah. He said he would not even change "one jot or title" of the Torah. He didn't bring in a new covenant, but a RENEWED covenant. Where he would write the Torah on our hearts. Before Abraham was, he existed. The only part of Torah done away with is the animal sacrifice. There is a major revival going on in Israel right now among the Messianic churches, many Jews are accepting their Messiah. In rebuttal to what I feel is merely propaganda, here is part of an article written by a Jewish Rabbi: It is important to understand why Jews don't believe in Jesus. The purpose is not to disparage other religions, but rather to clarify the Jewish position. The more data that's available, the better-informed choices people can make about their spiritual path. Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because: 1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. 2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah. 3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations. 4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation. At the end of this article, we will examine these additional topics: 5) Christianity contradicts Jewish theology 6) Jews and Gentiles 7) Bringing the Messiah -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will: A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) JESUS DID NOT EMBODY THE PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS OF MESSIAH A. MESSIAH AS PROPHET Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets -- Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi. Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended. B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David! C. TORAH OBSERVANCE The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4) Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!" <end excerpt> -Kerry O. |
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The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists. Thank you for posting this Kerry. 
This just goes to show how absurd the whole Mediterranean mythology has become. It's absurd to have devout people arguing over the supposed 'word of God'. If the supposed 'word of God' is so ambigious and unclear that Christians and Jews can both read it and come away from it with two entirely different belief systems then clearly it can't be the word of any God. The very idea that the divine creator of this universe would create an instruction book that could be so ambigious is an utterly insane idea in and of itself. All these Mediterranean-based religions have absolutely no merit whatsoever. If there is any truth to spirituality at all it most likely lies in the teachings of Buddhism and Taoism and the pantheistic view of life. These hateful religions that came out of the Mediterranean cultures are clearly divisive religions that are ego-based. To believe in them a person would need to believe that God is a male-chaunvinistic egotistical pig who lusts to become the kind over his own creation. The problem is that if such a God had been the creator of this universe surely he could have achieved that gold a long time ago (unless of course he's truly powerless and lame). The Biblical picture of a God simply isn't compatible with an all-wise, all-powerful creator. It's clearly a picture of an extremely unwise, and limited God. It can't possibly be the true picture of God. It simply flies in the face of it's very own demands of God's omnipotence. If God was so omnipotent he wouldn't be at war with some stupid fallen angel in the first place. That's the first red flag that shows that these mythologies were made up by men for the purpose of trying to control the masses. They may have even started out with sincere desires to simply establish an authoriative system for the purpose of protecting the masses from each other. Kind of like ad hoc legal system using a fictious Godhead as the ultimate authority. But as time moved forward the religion fragmented and became a true means of power control. The church controlled the ARMIES! Now today we are stuck with all this superstitious crap in the middle of our modern day society and all it does is cause problems. It just pits people against each other. It doesn't bring people together at all. And as Boo has been posting, their are even power freaks who are using the Christian sheep to power their political agendas. When a Christain gives money to their church they aren't giving money to God, they are giving it to power hungry men! Why would an omnipotent God need money? 
People pray to God to help them with their financial needs! And God needs money?
You religious people are being used! |
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2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
Thank you KerryO for finding this. I love it.
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Satan will never have the upper hand. He is already defeated. His day is coming and all those who reject God. God wishes for none to perish, but many will, because of their unbelief. nicely done...  ...all I ask for...is extra popcorn and a frontrow seat...for when the day of reckoning is upon us...what I find fascinating...is ALL the attention and time given to someone or something...that they don't even believe in... ...happy Sunday...
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Satan will never have the upper hand. He is already defeated. His day is coming and all those who reject God. God wishes for none to perish, but many will, because of their unbelief. nicely done... ...all I ask for...is extra popcorn and a frontrow seat...for when the day of reckoning is upon us...what I find fascinating...is ALL the attention and time given to someone or something...that they don't even believe in......happy Sunday...
Maybe because this is the General Religion forum?
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some of you guys are decent researchers and other have very vivid imaginations. im not trying to down anyones beliefs cause i honestly dont give a flying ****. but maybe you should pay more attention to your own lives than others. you might actually accomplish something with your life.
wouldn't that be cool. |
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some of you guys are decent researchers and other have very vivid imaginations. im not trying to down anyones beliefs cause i honestly dont give a flying ****. but maybe you should pay more attention to your own lives than others. you might actually accomplish something with your life. wouldn't that be cool. And this is directed at?
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Yes well those secular orgs do just that...kill steal & destroy...but they have the public think they are a bunch of do gooders. I have a bridge to those people too.
Oh please QuickStepper, we don't want your bridges. You already bought that bridge, we ain't buyin. Besides I wouldn't cross a bridge that old much less buy it. Yupper any one not believing in god is surely a killer, a thief, a destroyer. Wow, amazing I hadn't gotten around to it yet. Maybe I will start killing and stealing and destroying on my 60th birthday.... I have a whole year to figure out what I want to steal, and destroy. Hey Quick. It appears according to your bible Christians are way ahead of me in the killing stealing and destroying category...  
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some of you guys are decent researchers and other have very vivid imaginations. im not trying to down anyones beliefs cause i honestly dont give a flying ****. but maybe you should pay more attention to your own lives than others. you might actually accomplish something with your life. wouldn't that be cool. And this is directed at?
if you dont know then why should i tell. half the goodies about the world is being left in suspence or wonder. i wouldn't want to take that wonderful giftof life from you. 
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sun 01/11/09 09:48 AM
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Yes well those secular orgs do just that...kill steal & destroy...but they have the public think they are a bunch of do gooders. I have a bridge to those people too.
Yes those horrible secular charities like the Red Cross and Doctors Without Borders and Amnesty International. The nerve of those people! Those non-religious folks with their humanitarian efforts! 
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