Bingo. You worded it much more effectively than I could. Im tired.

WOW! Some crazy thoughts. I'm with Abra on this one. My own opionion ( My Gods! There's an "onion" in that word! Anyone want to make onion rings? Anyone? How about french Fries? Mabey the French are behind this plan of evil fast food! No wait. That's just a typeO) We really need to get a "fashion" catagory on our profiles so we can be warned about people like this. He needs to check-off "straight jacket". You crazies are just amazing. No really. WAIT. Is that a monterous vegetable over on the counter giving me the "evil eye"??? Nope. Just left a baseball out. Maybe Sporting Equipment is evil too.

You soooooooo get it. BRAVO!

there is only one common thing most in all of text, that each thing see it CREATE all it create?

if satan be some boogie man in the sky, and god be some king in the sky, then nothing see ITSELF is doing all it is doing?

the only thing text ever said, was take full repsonsibility for one's actions, and blame them on nothing else, as each thing mortal has 50% of reaction, so personal PERFECT reaction can change and determine the NEXT reaction?

all the rest is dogma and doctrine being defined by patiality and reading words and defining them thru what they mean on earth?

this be the only way that what is written within is BAD FOR ANY MORTAL THING?

the GOOD NEWS?

the whole thing is the worst news i have ever heard.........

what kind of ULTIMATE INTELLIGENCE could ever be as stupid as man is making IT out to be?

if any word, is defined thru what MAN CALL SKY, it is carnel, if what MAN call beast, carnel, if what man call tree, carnel, if what man call fornication, carnel, if what man call homosexual, ALL carnel minds definitions.....

text clearly say, all are child gods, so all are equal child gods, and all child gods GROW UP TO PERFECT?

if they don't, then THE CREATOR ****ED UP?

it say clearly not to read text using the CARNEL MIND, the same as the CONSCIOUS MIND, so notions coming from anything seen on EARTH TO DEFINE IT,

Can't figure this stupid quote function out yet, bare with me.

If the bible was so "pro medicinal herbs" why were they killing both males and females as "sorcerers" and Witches? You can’t have it both ways here. And do you not understand where we actually get "hard drugs" from? Pharmaceuticals are routinely derived from PLANTS. They are recombined and chemicals are added as stabilization compounds. You need to brush up on some of this if you are going to study natural medicines.

"The compound from which the active ingredient in aspirin was first derived, salicylic acid, was found in the bark of a willow tree"

How do you think pre-historic women (and later midwives) were able to induce abortions when the woman’s life was in danger or it was bad timing? You guessed it. Medicinal herbs. The practice of Witchcraft.

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Well if the compounds are recombined with chemicals, it is no longer in a natural state now is it? I would say a lot of chemicals get added. The hard drugs I was refering to are cocaine and heroin. Why is it that poppy production has GROWN since the Afgahn war? Surely they could put a stop to it. And don't tell me they're concerned for the poor farmers. They could care less about them.

And a witch is someone who consults evil spirits. She/he may or may not use drugs to do this. Someone using herbs to cure sickness is blessing people and not a witch. The classic example is the witch of Endor whom Saul consulted. She brought up Samuel from the grave. Only it wasn't Samuel, it was a familiar spirit. Do a google on witchcraft and deliverance sometime. You can read plenty of stories about people toying around with witchcraft for kicks and finding out it's very real. They get a spirit that won't leave them alone when they are done fooling around. It gets worse and worse until they find deliverance. Oija boards are a superhighway to this realm. All you unbelievers go get one and play around with it - see what happens. It's very real and very dangerous.

Of course not. I am telling you this is how we actually derive many of our current day pharmaceuticals. Quite literally the cure for everything can be found growing on earth. If you personally choose to reject modern day prescription meds, that’s your prerogative, however that does not change the fact that they are procured from plant sources. It also does not change the fact that women were murdered for practicing Witchcraft when they were only making use of these ancient remedies. The church criminalized these practices as being part of the old ways These medicines were made from plants, roots, berries and were the predecessor to the drugs that are now utilized in curing/treating disease today in modern day hospitals.



Cocaine is a crystalline tropane alkaloid that is obtained from the leaves of the coca plant. Heroin is a synthetic opiate drug. It is made from morphine, a naturally occurring substance extracted from the seed pod of the Asian opium poppy plant. Once again, both are naturally occurring plant extracts.



A Witch was a woman who was practicing these herbal remedies and was therefore condemned by the church. Do you understand what Witchcraft is exactly? Let me know if you don’t and I will explain.



Who do you think was doing the healing? Who were the midwives? Who were the ones murdered and tortured by the Christians as Witches?



And who are you talking to here? I have been practicing herbal medicinal remedies and spell craft for about the past 10 years now.

The OP has a challenge to the unbelievers, which is for me a challenge to "no one" for every human believes in something even if it is only about their moment in life today.

Krimsa says:

yea, what mind know of itself why it believe what it first believed, as there are billions of words heard, so the one's believed are of great essence that tell who self most is, and no belief of anything, is given to itself by itself, and only not finding what is in true in each thing heard, leave self with less, and not more.....

greater consciousness and equality has in past days been subverted most by definitions given onto others, that were intended for oneself, lol......

The quote function works like this:.

On the post that you want to reply to, click on 'Quote' under that post. Then you will see the 'content of that post' in two quote tags that look like this:

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'Content of post'

[ /quote ] <-- is the ending quote tag


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Hope that helps...

I never had a dangerous experience with a Oija board and I have used them hundreds of times, but then I don't think evil spirits are attracted to me, I don't scare easy. I don't know where that notion came from that the board was dangerous.

I remember those little troll dolls, my friends mother was told they are satanic and she freaked out and trashed them. I couldn't stop laughing as she nervously ran down the hallway holding the trolls by the tip of their hair, to the trash shute. I told her I had several of them in my apartment for years and never did one try to pull me into satin worship... still cracks me up to this day.

Boo do you mean these dolls?

Norslyman,

I have a question to ask you. Since you seem to feel that ALL Witches are evil, would you also say that the Church was justified in torturing and condemning these people for the practice of Witchcraft?

I would only define a witch as someone who knowingly contacts familiar spirits - divination. They disguise themselves as "spirit guides" who are there to help. In all the stories of witches in the bible, it is always in this context. I think the defenition of a witch has changed over time. Can you find an example in the bible where a witch was an herbalist and used natural healing?

Here is a testimony:


Escape from the Power of the Ouija Board
I was eighteen years old. The summer was long and boring. One day I decided to purchase a Ouija Board. My friend and I attempted to work the board for about three days. Finally the wedge began to move from letter to letter. There were no clear messages for several days. My friend grew tired and fearful of the board. She decided not to play the game anymore. She would not touch the board again.

The garbled messages only peaked my curiosity. I attempted to move the play the game alone. The first day or two the wedge did not move. Finally, the wedge seemed to come alive moving from letter to letter. The messages were finally clear. The board told me that a spirit came to me through the board. The spirit said it was to be a friend who was to protect me from the dangers in life. It would guide me to a better life because it knew the future.

I spent all my free time with the board. The spirit told me that it loved me and I should let it direct the activities of my life so that my future would be secure and happy. We discussed life and love through the board. It kept promising happiness and security if I would listen and do what it said.

This continued all summer and then it was time to go to college as I planned. I took the Ouija Board with me to school. I spent all my free time with the board and found it cumbersome. I had roommates and it looked weird for me to work the board alone. The spirit suggested through the board that it use my hand for automatic handwriting. I tried that but all I could get was the figure "8" drawn over and over again. I spent all my time tying to get messages. Of course, there was no time for study--I failed out of college. I returned home pale, tired and nervous. I kept communicating with the spirit through the board for the remainder of the year.

Year Two

The spirit suggested through the board that I attempt to let it use my voice. The automatic handwriting did not work since I could only manage to get "8" on a paper. I thought I would try that so I just permitted the spirit to speak through me. I let it use my voice and words started to form. At first gibberish then other words. It would use my voice when I was alone.

During this time I worked at a full-time job. I was not very good at the job because my concentration was bad. The spirit kept wanting my attention--my tapping my finger--attempting to make letters with the movement of my finger. I could keep the spirit from using my voice and the finger movements if I concentrated but it detracted from my concentration.

Year Three

One day the spirit was using my voice--curses and obscenities were being spoken. The cursing and obscenities were about Jesus Christ. I was in shock that these words were coming from my voice. It told me to kill myself. I could feel hatred that I never felt before. This made me step back and look at myself. What kind of spirit was this? What had I done?

I finally took a good look at myself in the mirror. I was pale, tired and nervous. I wanted the spirit to leave. It would not go. The spirit became more aggressive and would fight for control of my voice. I would be talking and sometimes the spirit would speak. I had to control my every word and movement. My hands and arms moved overly fast sometimes. I could not sleep peacefully. The nightmares began of creatures chasing and laughing at me. I slept with a knife under my pillow. I dreaded sleep.

One day my Dad said that he saw a large, ugly devil in our house. He said that he chased the thing and it left through our dining room window. He kept talking about that experience all day. I just made jokes and laughed.

I decided to ask God for help. Who else could help me? Anyone else would probably send me to a mental hospital. I began to pray and fight for control of my mind and body. I always believed that Jesus existed and now it was time to see if Jesus was real. Obviously, the spirit hated Jesus because of it's cursing of Jesus.

Year Four

I began to gain some control of my mind and body. I decided to ignore the spirit as much as possible and enrolled in a local college. While attending the college, I joined a Christian group called "Campus Crusade For Christ." The people in that group taught me how to communicate with Jesus. They taught me how to read the bible and I went to church. The people did not know about the spirit. I was too ashamed to tell them or ask them for help.

I learned how to fight a spiritual battle. I memorized and meditated on scriptures concerning the victory of Jesus over Satan. I claimed the blood of Christ every time the spirit attacked--it was so automatic that I claimed the blood of Jesus in my dreams. One night while sleeping, I woke with a sharp jerk to the muscles of my body. I knew the spirit was gone. My mind was clear and at peace. That was over 25 years ago. The spirit never returned.

I finished college and graduated with the BA Degree in Sociology and minor in Psychology. I thank Jesus every day for saving my life. I am the author of the Ouija Board Pages which were written to warn you not to channel the spirits.


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Were you going to answer my question or no?

The practice of Witchcraft and herbal medicine predates Christianity by thousands of years. The bible was hostile to it as you know and sought to suppress it at all costs. You will hardly find anything of use in the bible. You will need to look at actual historical accounts of Paganism itself. What do you think existed prior to Christianity? How do you think our pre-historic ancestors treated illness?

No true Scotsmen indeed.

So Adolph Hitler was a practicing Catholic. What else is new? You can’t just go around and pick and choose what it means to be a "real" Christian.

Being unintelligible is victory in your book?

I am not really sure I understand this challenge.

The only real reason I ask for clarification is a I love a good challenge.

So are you challenging us non-believers to explain the evil and hate in the world without a supernatural source of evil ala the devil?