I will remind you.



Twice there you mentioned "Church" related activities which would denote Christianity.



This would for whatever reason imply that you assume that non Christians are more promiscuous. Im not sure why you would think that exactly. You can explain on your next post.

Im not sure what point you are attempting to make. The OP was referring to "courtship" as it would apply to a modern day setting. What you referred to as "dating" would be considered courtship by many women of today.

Women's lib. Look sweetie, you take out the trash and, I'll make dinner. Let's go back to that. It's the type of family that I grew up in.

it's really sad. so many men pretend to be the "nice guy" just to end up in your pants... a real wolf-in-sheep's-clothing trick. It makes women suspicious of all the sincerely nice guys! It took me months to believe that my last ex was actually being nice and wasn't just seeking sexual favors. He's still a nice guy, he's just an incredibly busy nice guy, hence the "ex" factor. It makes it difficult to let him go. Once you find a good man, you hold on to him for dear life, even when you aren't necessarily compatible; agreed ladies?

Well Krimsa (good arguing with you again, or is it intellectuallizing, I can't ever remember)

Church only implies a place where the worship of a diety occurs. It could be the christian god, it could be a temple in Budhism or Judism, it is just a place, it doesn't even have to be a building. And once again, it was only mentioned as an example of a public function. Next time maybe I'll say carnival or school play.

I believe that the OP also is unaware of the actual process of courting. I hate to tell you it's dead, and women killed it.

Courtship involves more than just dinner an movies with no booty. First of all, a man has to obtain permission (usually from a father) to even ask the woman if she would be interested in "dating" (for lack of a better term).

Next comes dinner, this is not out in a restuarant, it's with the womans parents and probably in their house. This is to allow her family to get a "good assessment" of whether he is worthy of taking her out.

Next comes a social. You have to take her to a public place, usually in full view of her family (again). A dance, church supper, something along those lines.

Now then, I've been asking this lady out for several months now, and after all the suppers, all the dances, and all the church dinners, we get to "go out" in public. I might even get to hold your hand!!!

Now then we've gotten to several public events, spent a good number of months holding hands, maybe a hug or two snuck in quiet, but any attempt of actually kissing you has been met with complete resistance. But I will not be detered, so I do the next step - engagement.

Now first I have to ask your Dad again if it is okay for me to ask you to marry me. Then I get to ask. Odds are you will say yes at this time, and we will set a date - maybe one or two years into the future.

Now we are planning a wedding, and after six months of wedding planning you are willing to let me kiss you on the cheek (and I couldn't be happier about it.)

Finally at our wedding, in full view of everyone we know, I get to kiss you on the lips, and well it's our wedding so the rest will come pretty fast and furious.

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That is the correct process of courting. This simple dating stuff, you can find that anywhere. The lost art of courting is dead. There is no woman on the face of the planet that has that kind of patience anymore. If you don't get a modern woman into the sack after four or five dates, she is just going to lock you into the "friend zone." A zone from which there is no escape. I outta know, I still try to court women.

is not some of this the evolution of the courting process and does it not stop when the appreciation of the gesture is ignored or hum drum to the recipient

With you I generally consider it passive/aggressive argumentation yet I do respect your ability to form cohesive sentences and respond to me in an intelligent, thought provoking manner.



Good save but no dice. You were clearly called on it. Its not a HUGE infraction yet the implication was that "good old fashioned" courtship revolved around some sort of Christian sense of morality. I accept your apology and it is not a huge concern.

Yes I did interpret the origional poster's comment to be in reference to "modern day courtship" ritual. I did so because the activities that she distinctly referred to were customs that one would associate with every day courtship and not any of your cited examples, which though interesting, have no bearing nor relevance on the topic at hand.

I apologize if I was unclear.

does every thread have to turn into an argument over the nuances of someone's sentences?

kinda detracts from the original discussion

Some of the courting needs to be modified, yes - times have changed, family structure and customs have slipped because of the demands of everyday life. We aren't as puritanical anymore, either - thank goodness. However, I heartily disagree that a woman won't respect you or find you attractive if you don't have full genital intercourse by the 4th or 5th date. A woman wants to feel she is desirable and wanted, but the anticipation and build up can be a wonderful experience in and of itself. Find your own timing in the couple, but don't rush. What's the point - assuming this is something you intend to last.

hope the solstice is going well you are and that the snow isn't keeping you stuck in the house. We've had some icing here and it's made getting to town a "chore."

It's always good to see you hanging in the lobbies, you keep me on my toes!!! One of these days we'll have to have a conversation were we don't have to apologize to each other!l

does every thread have to turn into an argument over the nuances of someone's sentences?

kinda detracts from the original discussion

I just don't see it, maybe I used poor language. What I should have said was if you don't at least TRY to get to the intercourse part of the dating. Don't you women enjoy telling us "no" just a little? That's the chase, the fun part.

Look everyones experiences are a little different, just like our personalities and so on. In mine, I've found that I wasn't agressive enough on more occasions than I'd like to admit. What really sucks is that you get dumped for "taking it slow" if your a man just the same as you get dumped for it if you are a woman. What makes me mad is that women won't admit that they do it too.

You don't want a man to take his time, you lose that feeling of "being desired." You'll think "well I guess he isn't interested" and move on. Then where does the gentleman get left? Oh yeah, on the curb with the rest of the useless items in our trash.

Okay, okay, I'll try to be more civil, but you have to understand, I maybe talk to two people a week, so "polite conversation" isn't exactly my speciality.

Warning:

Congratulations on quitting smoking. I quit in September.

Okay, back to your regularly scheduled argument.

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