I see no problem with that arrangement. Its always fun to shop for someone new, boyfriend or girlfriend.

Well according to this post I'ma always a courtN


Most women just don't seem instersted in this all they ever want is sex or money

I believe that the OP also is unaware of the actual process of courting. I hate to tell you it's dead, and women killed it.

Courtship involves more than just dinner an movies with no booty. First of all, a man has to obtain permission (usually from a father) to even ask the woman if she would be interested in "dating" (for lack of a better term).

Next comes dinner, this is not out in a restuarant, it's with the womans parents and probably in their house. This is to allow her family to get a "good assessment" of whether he is worthy of taking her out.

Next comes a social. You have to take her to a public place, usually in full view of her family (again). A dance, church supper, something along those lines.

Now then, I've been asking this lady out for several months now, and after all the suppers, all the dances, and all the church dinners, we get to "go out" in public. I might even get to hold your hand!!!

Now then we've gotten to several public events, spent a good number of months holding hands, maybe a hug or two snuck in quiet, but any attempt of actually kissing you has been met with complete resistance. But I will not be detered, so I do the next step - engagement.

Now first I have to ask your Dad again if it is okay for me to ask you to marry me. Then I get to ask. Odds are you will say yes at this time, and we will set a date - maybe one or two years into the future.

Now we are planning a wedding, and after six months of wedding planning you are willing to let me kiss you on the cheek (and I couldn't be happier about it.)

Finally at our wedding, in full view of everyone we know, I get to kiss you on the lips, and well it's our wedding so the rest will come pretty fast and furious.

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That is the correct process of courting. This simple dating stuff, you can find that anywhere. The lost art of courting is dead. There is no woman on the face of the planet that has that kind of patience anymore. If you don't get a modern woman into the sack after four or five dates, she is just going to lock you into the "friend zone." A zone from which there is no escape. I outta know, I still try to court women.

Not all societies have had the exact same courtship rituals, & not all woman have the same schedule for sex.

Roaming, we are not living in Victorian era England and not all of us are Christians. I think what you refer to as "dating", most of us would consider modern courtship. A man who will force his own sexual agenda on a woman prior to when she is ready to give this to him, is not worth the effort.

this statement is as unfair as if I said "all men are just out to get a woman into bed."

I would never assume such... I'm just saying that it's having your cake and eating it too, to expect a man to pay for dinner, movies or whatever, treat you as especially special, hold doors, throw his coat on the puddle, carry your heavy packages, or any number of special favors if you're so "strong, assertive" and "intelligent".
More power to ya, if you don't need that kind of special attention. Just don't expect it then...
By the way...Why would you think I'd want to "jump into the sack" if the desire wasn't mutual?

We aren't talking about courtship rituals here, we are talking about the lost art of courting. A guy sprayin on cologne is considered a courtship ritual by sociological standards, but that's not what this thread is about is it? If I was to understand the OP it was about what happened to the niceties of dating that say our Grandparents had to go through. This is the subject I tackled.

If you'd like to go through modern rituals, like say tag body spray or the waxing of privates, start a new thread and I'll be more than happy to oblige, but until that thread appears, my response was dead on target. 25+ years of experience tells me so.

Whoever approaches and asks the other party out first, should be expected to pay for the date. Generally this is the man, but not always. I have asked a man out before and I brought enough cash to pay for both him and myself yet he insisted on paying anyway. That is proper first date etiquette.

If a woman is all of these things, there is no reason for her to give herself over to just any man.

I'll leave this to Krimsa, I am outta here.

Na, there is no point in arguing this. Its simply how we view this issue. As I initially stated, if a man feels it necessary to enforce his sexual agenda on me sans courtship, I will not chastise, simply reject and walk away. We will not be compatible. That only applies to me and not to anyone else on this thread.

I don't remember bringing up Christians or even Christian dogma. I guess pagans can be more promiscuous, I don't know. Courting and religion have nothing to do with each other, and I meant to imply no such thing. The church social example was an example of an "acceptable public place" for early courting to occur. But courting does refer to dating in Victorian times, or at least this is the image associated with the term. Just because some folks have given up on Victorian niceties doesn't mean all have either. Truth was while it was prudish, it wasn't necessarily bad. The pure fact that it is being viewed as archaic only proves my point, and I thank you.

Now if you wish to discuss date rape, and that is the premise in which you set forth, I'll be the first to tell you I'm against it. It's a shame really, because there was a time, in the grand scheme of things not that long ago, where the entire concept would have been unphathomable. But apparently that's the image of dating women seem to have now. Sad.

I agree in essence, but the same is true for men. If he's all of these things, there's no reason for him to give himself to just any woman.
I don't have a problem paying for the date. My problem is strong, assertive, intelligent types that assume that I assume more than just their company. I've never expected more than that.

I will remind you.



Twice there you mentioned "Church" related activities which would denote Christianity.



This would for whatever reason imply that you assume that non Christians are more promiscuous. Im not sure why you would think that exactly. You can explain on your next post.

Im not sure what point you are attempting to make. The OP was referring to "courtship" as it would apply to a modern day setting. What you referred to as "dating" would be considered courtship by many women of today.

I can not speak for men and that would be you. I am only speaking for myself. .

i don't think it's dead.

i've noticed that when a man is really interested in a woman, and not just to have sex with her, courting her becomes almost a natural thing to him.

i've also found that if you allow a male to be a man, instincts take over and he 'assumes his role'. i've always been pretty bold and assertive, so i've not had many men attempt to court me, perhaps they are intimidated or perhaps they just don't have the need to court.

I'd love a guy like that and I'd never consider him a "loser", but a "winner" for it. When women are so independent that they are afraid to be interdependent (where true intimate health lies), it is them that must HEAL themselves first before they can appreciate these wonderful gifts that men offer.

It's a double edged sword. The woman will sometimes be courted by men who think they're owed sexual favors. The men will sometimes be used by women who knew from the start they'd never offer their attentions.

Well, some men or women are attracted to the romantic chase....and when they get what they want, it becomes boring or unfulfilling. The passion disappears and they are out looking for the next "prey".

is not some of this the evolution of the courting process and does it not stop when the appreciation of the gesture is ignored or hum drum to the recipient