My brother from another mother is a stay at home dad. His wife just happened to find a job first and they have a toddler and an infant at home. If they both worked it'd cost more than one of them made for day care. The kids are happy, he's a fantastic dad, and his wife works at the school where the two older kids go so all kids get a parent around all day long. I have never met more happy kids in my life.

i'll just say one last thing, and i goota goo, lol. communication is the key!!!! if one isn't communicating, you'll not get anywhere, in the human understanding of the sexes, or let alone, relationships! and this does not mean talking conversation... you have to ask these things to each other.....come'on poeple? don't you think you're worth it? i think you are, or we wouldn't be debating whether it exists or not. ofcourse it does, look at what was just said, and the reasons why! it's communication, and it can break all barriers, even sexual expectations, and male-female walls between you.......

If you live your life to be worried about what society says then you are truely sad ! i for one live for me and mine not for what outsiders decide I should be .Deal with or move on I don't need you .No one shames me but myself

well, i'm quite abit old for just one relationship, i've had many, and have gotten wiser each time, but i didn't for the most part, let it eat me to the point where i've become bitter, and by no means, am i weak, just reflective, and far stronger, and i seem to be symbiotic with time itself, and one with it, more than ever before, and finally, just enjoying the ride, and it's challenges.

Your so right

your so right

I understand that it's your way but at the same time you cannot belittle or shame or even judge those that believe other things ! thats it a major part of whats wrong with going with the flow or letting someone else judge you . when it comes to moral values that is ! Ladies chivalry is not dead unless you yourselves let it die !

i know when im interested in someone, it isnt because i want to sleep with her

Rare it's good to speak up ! Thank you it takes real courage to go against the new status quo as it were ! Like I said no one can shame you except yourself .Too those that would the hell with em !

true, but then again my views on sex are different vs. the norm

Hmmm... I like courtship

and I very well appreciate that my SO also enjoys courtship. I thank him often... and will continue to do so. I do not take it for granted because in today's world, it is a very rare attribute.

I don't know if we wer rather him no open the door at all. But we usually wonder why it stopped.

It's like the man feels he has her hooked and doesn't have to do anything nice anymore.

I have been that nice guy under that microscope always the look .. you know the one...just what does he want? but thats okay I didn't create the problem of no chivlary.. I just do my best to ensue that the values I grew up with stay intact yes I open doors buy flowers for no reasons and give cards have manners being polite and respectful.. and shoesmonkey its oaky sweetie I will do the dishes and take out the trash.... I beleive you should treat a woman as you would want to be treated nothing else is allowed...

uhm the whole sexual thing you have there from our past is a big yikes...

As for your belief in what people did... even that is an even bigger yikes... Do people like forget that cars were only invented less than 100 years ago? :).

I certainly expect to be courted. In fact, I will not give a man the time of day who attempts to pressure me into sex too soon for my liking. If thats what he wants, then he can just move along. No hard feelings, we just wont be compatible. I dont chastise, I just ignore and reject.

I thought the women's lib movement pretty much killed that whole concept.

Not if he is actually doing something. My friends tried this, her husband thought taking care of the kids meant he stayed home while they were home.
The 3 year old went to the ER because he was sleeping & she climbed to the top of the refridgerator where they kept meds. The 6 year old either went to school dressed like a clown with her hair unbrushed or missed the bus. The 1 year old didn't get changed all day & developed awful diaper rash. Dad was either sleeping or cybering with his multiple online girlfriends.
As soon as Mom came home, he's split because he had been "babysitting" all day & needed to get out. She'd still have to do all the cleaning (worse because he was home all day) & cook dinner. They are almost divorced now.
I know there are women who are like this too. Whoever stays home with the kids has to actually take care of them & maintain the house.

Thats a cop out and an excuse men often use to get out of traditional courtship rituals. If I am a strong, assertive, intelligent female, what makes you think I would not expect to be courted? Would you assume I would jump into the sack with you?

The Amish around here have "courting buggies"

I expect to be "courted", & I reciprocate. I get flowers & you will likely get homemade brownies. You take me out to dinner & I will cook one for you to rival the restaurant. If I see a book I think you'd enjoy,or something relating to your hobby I know you don't have, you may get an unexpect present just because.