Eljah.

The problem is chr-stianity preaches against what Yahshua did.

So how can you claim to follow him when you say what he did was not our example?

Shalom...Miles

How to be saved..... A message from God flown in at 2 A.M. Eastern Time a couple of days ago. Upon opening the letter it said please type this into the General Religion Chat forum called "How to be Saved" for me. So here I am reposting this over and over again. It truly is the way to get saved.

Find yourself a woman/man and have a great time together covering everything from the most romantic days in Paris, France to eating out at a great restaurant spoiling yourself with the finest cuisine one can ask for.

Have great conversations and enjoy each others beauty immensily.

When you get home, pop open champagne and get some fresh strawberries with candles and a nice fire place if you live up north and enjoy the serenity, peace, and love one can give each other.

Repeat this everyday and I guarantee you that you will be saved.

If you can't afford to go to France and eat out everyday then go to the next best thing and make sure you have great topics to talk about each day that leads to the greatest romance in the world.

Presto! You are saved

P.S. I also provide cooking lessons for those who can only afford a good meal from home.

Christianity does not preach against what Jesus did...

no matter how much you insist otherwise, Miles.

Be Blessed Now..

At least I go as far as actually believing that some man did indeed denounce the Old Testament and was crucified for it.

There are many scholars who won't even go that far. They believe that the entire story is a myth and there was no Jesus at all.

They might be right for all I know.

I'm trying to at least give the myth a little tiny bit of crediblity.

Maybe we can save Jesus from the horror of Christianity.

But in truth, the people who claim that he never existed at all are probably onto a better idea.

Just forgetting about the biblical picture of God altogether would probably be better than trying to salvage Jesus from the horror story.

A lot of people actually prefer that idea.

For someone to be your example then you follow what they do or did.

Do you keep the 7th day sabbath?

Do you keep Passover and the 7 Feasts Yahweh commanded?

Do you eat as Yahshua did?

That is just a few. If your answer is they are not important now so you do not do them.. Then you insult the Spirit of Grace and the Holy Spirit will not live in an Unclean Temple.

Yahshua was hated for what he said and taught because the people enjoyed the customs of man more than The Commandments of Yahweh? Shalom...Miles

The only complaint thus far I have heard from non-believers is that Christians never seem capable of answering questions dead on. They side step or throw a bunch of extended exegesis on top of it.

They have to Krisma.

When you throw out the Basics and only try to learn advanced knowledge you are completely lost in what you may think you know.

Think about it in your field.. If you refused to use the basics of your field could you do your job and have answers for your boss about what you did?

Shalom and May Yahweh Bless You...Miles

Miles what faith do you practice exactly? I know you arent a Christian but you arent Judaic either. I thought you were at first because of the "shalom". May I ask if it has a name?

No Krisma a few from all around the world have found each other and continue to be led to each other in like faith.

Having come to the same conclusions yet not knowing each other and then finding out someone believes as you do.

This all comes as I say Preach all the time to those who call themselves believers is that.

Yahshua himself said he came not to change anything but to help and show us what the true spirit of these rules ect.. are.. Not that they are no good but everlasting changing for all time depending what society is like at the time.

For example way back to cool off everyone went up on thier roofs to cool off.

The law says you are to protect your guest or anyone on your property.

So the law said to put a railing around your roof so that no one will fall off.

To day that would relate to Decks so far off the ground. Swimming pools that someone in the night might not see and fall into.

This is the spirit of the law of a fence around your deck. Not that that is all that law means.

Yahweh is saying use common sence. That is what I believe the bible is common sence for our own good.

To have this common sence the law was written and then written on our hearts to understand the true meaning of these laws.

Treat your brother as you would want to be treated.

really very simple.

So I believe the laws of the OT are in force now the sacraficial laws Yahshua mainly did away and said your prayers to my father are sacrafices you do not need a Priest anymore to go to the father. Yahshua is our High Priest in heaven who is Just and Righteous and True.

Not looking at a man anyway but his being.his heart. his love for is brother.

A simple mans way that makes him respectable. No respect for persons. The believer does not want praise from man he wants it from Yahweh.

So what we have here is not ours. So greed leaves you and if a stranger needs help. Help him out of the Treasures of your Heart not even thinking about being paid back.

You were freely given freely give. Breeds contentment and True Shalom in a persons heart.

Shows other people really care. Utopia breeds life.

Life everlasting freedom to do and and be happy because that Spirit of Truth lives in you and nothing can take it away.

So I believe in the Continuity of the Bible if Yahshua is our example then do as he did and thats it. No where is Yahshua said of sacraficing animals.

Grace is freely given.

Yahweh is the true Judge. The only Judge.

So when Yahweh had people put to death he did it for the good of others.

Mercy though has always been. The law may say one thing but the victim can always chose to pardon thier or a less sentence if they feel the love and need for forgiveness. If not then they leave it up to our own Judges to decide the punishment.

This should be the way our court system should be now.

Just look at families who have been victimized within thier own family. The the courts victimize them again by putting them in poverty.

This is not justice and the Spirit of the Law speaks of this.

Yahshua said he was the Way the Truth and the Life.

The Apostles called themselves The Way.

Others ridiculing called them Chr-stians but that is what stuck.

Yahshua's name means Yahweh is Salvation not him.. His name points to the true creator. That is why it is so important.

That is why Acts says thier is no other name under Heaven by which man can be saved.

He is speaking of Yahweh who said this Clearly in the 3rd Commandment.

So in ending i call myself.."A Yahwist of The way"

This means Yahweh is the Way to Salvation.

Blessings of Yahweh's True Shalom may it be On You....Miles

thank you Miles, that was a very clear explanation.

Okay Miles.

i believe in being saved it makes sense my wish to see domincan republic have a domincan girlfriend does anyone wanna comment on this praying i believe same as being saved

Dominican Republic is a great place to go. If you go to punta plata you will see grand hotels and get great 1st class service with daily shows to watch. 24 hour buffet food and wine and the woman are truly breathtaking.

Now if you want to see more of the culture go to Santiago or Santo Domingo.

There you will see that the streets have huge holes in them, traffic lights either don't work or people don't use the lights, huge trash heaps on the side of the street as the trash is only picked up once every month, electricity turns off at 7pm unless you have a generator, which are very loud machines, and people seem to never go to sleep as the horns from cars are always honking.

It is funny people just walk into the house go in the refrigerator eat your food as others come having a huge basket on their head trying to sell mangos.

Very different culture and many are poor people, but one thing I did realize is they seem to be able to smile and enjoy life more then the average american. Although they own little they enjoy life to the fullest.

Now I am not saying everyone is poor in Dominican Republic, but the majority have little but enjoy life to the fullest.

I was called Jesus there because I was the only white guy in the whole neighborhood

but the woman are beautiful. You are right about that. It is a good vacation indeed.

Good luck with the Dominicans Jack

jack thanks for the luck in order for me to go to domincan republic is a travel partner friend somone from rhode island thats my wish thanks for the luck

Miles;

First off - it's eljay with a "y" - not an "h"

Since I'm not sure who you are refering to when you say "chr-stianity preaches against" what Jesus said - and I'm going to call you to the carpet on making to leap of suggeting I don't follow him, or that he was not my example.

Clarify this for me by citing what you mean by the "chr-stianity" to which you refer.

Well that idea would be a better one than to suggest that Jeusu existed - but that the men who were contemporaries of him, and wrote about what they heard and saw, purposefully changed those words, and exagerated what he did. I don't find that presumption worthy of consideration. That would be saying that they got some things right - but not others, which only fullfills a personal agenda about interpreting what the scripture says.

Better to claim to simply reject the whole thing, for even those who did not believe what Jesus claimed to be, at least gave him credit for being the one who claimmed it about himself. I doubt that he was cruxified for the false rumors that his devoted disciples were spreading about him. It would also contradict what history itself claims about Luke, and his value as an historian in even the secular world.

This post prompts me to ask you this Miles:

Do you believe that the writings of Paul, Peter, and John are inspirational and representative of the commands of Jesus? What is your position on New Testament inspiration?

Miles......all you shared (above) makes you sound just like a Christian!!

IN FACT...A LOT OF WHAT YOU SHARE ,CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THE SAME WAY.

The ONLY difference is....

christians are not required to keep
old jewish mosaic laws,in order to be saved.....like you beleive.

Cause that is not the way to be saved.

We are Saved ONLY thru accepting and
believing in the Saviour sent for
all mankind....

and His Name is Jesus(or,pronounced Yeshua orYahshua in hebrew)... same Saviour.

Miles....again....Christians are not required to keep old jewish laws to get back to God.

However.....

it doesn't mean that after we christians are saved, that we can now do whatever we please....no no no!!

First of all, a christian WON'T just do whatever he well pleases after salvation........NOT if he is truly saved, that is!!!

No.

When a christian is truly saved, that christian is born of God....

and NOW WANTS TO PLEASE AND OBEY GOD!!!

NOT disobey or sin against God!!

BUT....again....we christians are not required anymore to keep old mosaic laws...in order to be saved.

I THINK THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN WHAT YOU BELIEVE , MILES....

AND WHAT CHRISTIANS BELIEVE.

EXCEPT ALSO.....

I RECALL YOU SAYING,

THAT YOU THINK JESUS SHOULD ONLY BE CALLED HIS HEBREW NAME, YAHSHUA.

WELL... WE CALL OUR SAVIOUR'S NAME IN ENGLISH.... JESUS.



OTHER THAN THAT ,WE BASICALLY ARE BELIEVING THE SAME WAY !!

SO WHY ALLOW THESE SILLY DIFFERENCES, TO KEEP US APART??

Again....Christians don't beleive one is required to keep old mosaic laws, in order to be saved.

Beleiving on Jesus, is the only way to be saved.

However.... we do keep the commandents
out of LOVE FOR GOD NOW...

cause they are written on the tablets of our heart.

We don't do away with the law...we just are not required to keep the old mosaic laws.
THAT'S ALL.


Again....

when we accept Jesus we WANT to please him...

but God does not require that we go to Israel each year, and keep the feast of tabernacles,for instance, as you beleive........

We are under Grace, when we beleive and accept Jessu as Saviour, Miles.
Not under law.

However again.. that doesn't mean we do away with the law.

Jesus FULFILLS the law and the prophets.

And Miles...

We needed a Saviour, cause no one could keep the law in it's entirety
at all times...and God KNEW this about man.......

that is why God sent us a Saviour....

and all God requires is, that we accept and beleive on Jesus ...

God's Only Begotten Son ,that God sent ,to save all mankind.


Miles....I have repeated myself several times here .......

because I am praying you will see that we basically are on the same track here....

Hope what I share will help you understand

what True Christianity now is all about
(and not what you have falsely heard about christianity)....

and hopefully, you will see that we agree more than you realize.

Be Blessed Now Miles.

So now you're worried about a contradicition?

But you see no contradition in the fact that Jesus is quoted as having taught against the word of the God of Abraham?

If you're impressed by contraditions so much try this one on for size:

A judgmental all-powerful God who can clearly intervene and speak to humans writes a rule book.

Then he sits down on his almighty throne in heaven to watch the show.

What does he see?

He sees two Christians writing a book called the Malleus Maleficarum that tells people to accuse innocent midwives of witchcraft and torture them with no mercy or compassion until they confess and then to burn them alive in a fire.

God sits there and watches his own followers and worshipers writing this book, mass producing it and passing it around until it is second only to his very own Bible.

And he sits there and watchs for over three centuries while his followers and worshipers mutilate, torture and burn innocent women.

And he doesn't intervene and say, "Wait a minute! That's not waht I meant to do!"

I mean, I'm sorry Eljay, but any Judgmental God who writes a rule book that includes a history of his own malicious behavior has an absolute responsiblity for how that book is interpreted and used!

If the book was misunderstood by his own sincere followers and he did nothing to correct their misunderstanding of his terribly authorship, then he would be 100% responsible for all of the misunderstandings that took place.

To justify God in this instance two things would need to be true.

1. The Bible would need to be crystal clear in terms of instructions.

We already know that this is false. Christains prove this every single day. Other than being in agreement that Jesus was nailed to a pole to save their pathetic butts, they can't agree on a single solitary thing in the Bible!

The Bible is the most horrid and vague instruction book ever written. And history has proven this beyond any shadown of a doubt.

So this can't be used to justify God.

The only other thing that could justify God would be to accept that the Bible was perfectly clear in its instructions.

But if that's true then the Malleus Maleficarum would have never been written by Christians.

Thus the Bible cannot be the divine word of any responsible intervening God.

The religion has proven it's lack of divinity beyond any resonable doubt.

Why any modern human can continue to support this superstitious evil is beyond me.

Even in today's world this religion causes people to judge Gays as being 'evil' and going against this so-called 'word of God'.

But clearly the Bible can't be the word of God.

Even in today's world this religion causes people to judge scientists as going against this so-called 'word of God' becasue their conclusions of evolution don't line up with this book's claim of a divine 6-day creation.

But clearly the Bible can't be the word of God.

Even in today's world this religion causes people to judge doctors who are working hard to save lives and improve out health via stem cell research being 'evil' and going against this so-called 'word of God'.

But clearly the Bible can't be the word of God.

This Bible even today is being used to create superstitious judgments on people.

But clearly the Bible can't be the word of God.

There's no question about this at all.

In order for the Bible to be true, God would need to be the most inept being that ever existed. Not to mention being totally inresponsible and a horrible author too boot.

Clearly the Bible can't be the word of God.

And more importantly, what's to gain by demanding that it is?

A potential free ticket to an eternal life with a totally irresponsible God?

Who would want that?

You'd be better of if atheism turns out to be true.

Seriously, if I could choose which would be true between atheism and the biblical account of God I would choose atheism so fast it would make your head spin.

The thought of living for an eternity under the rule of a judmental God who can't even write a decently legable rule book would be a nightmare.

That would be hell in itself.

There's no room for ambiguity in the rule book of a judgemental God. Yet the Bible is the most ambigious book on planet earth. Even the Christain can't agree on what it says.

How can they expect people to follow a rule book that contains such vauge rules.

Most of the Chrisitans just want to claim that the book is saying,...

No gay relationships!

Same-gender love is against the will of God!

No scientific knowledge!

No stem-cell research!

And let's preach Creationism in our schools to brainwash even more people to believe in these stupid superstitions!

That's Christianity Eljay.

That's what you support when you support Christianity whether you personally agree with this stupidity or not.

It all comes down to the interpretations of an extremely ambigous book.

You might argue, "Well I don't interpret it to support the things you've listed".

Fine.

Then all you are doing is agreeing with me that it's totally ambigious and open to just about any personal interpretation imaginable.

And then there are the Christians like MorningSong who are just focused on the obcession of being saved.

What they don't seem to realize is that when they support the religion they are supporting the superstitions.

I've said it before and not to be mean, but because it's true.

Before you can believe in Jesus you must believe in Satan.

Otherwise you have nothing to be saved from.

So a mere belief that "Jesus saves" required that you believe in the superstistions of the Old Testament.

You must believe that there is a devil and that people who are going against God's will are clearly choosing to side with the devil.

That's where the problem comes into play MorningSong.

I realize that you, as an individual, are totally innocent to all of this.

All you think about is being saved.

But you don't seem to realize that by supporting this religion that requires that you need to be 'saved' it implies that those who are not saved have chosen to side with Satan.

Therefore you have no choice really, but to believe that the people who don't do the things that you believe the Bible to demand, are indeed chosing to do the will of Satan rather than the will of God.

But that's the kind of mentality that caused the Burning Times MorningSong.

The Burning Times wasn't truly about burning 'wiches'. Witches were just the superstition that came from the Bible!.

The women who were actually tortured and burned to death were innocent loving women not unlike yourself!

In fact, many of the so-called witches were indeed Chrsitains themselves! In fact, probably most of them. There were hundreds of thousands of women tortured and burned over 3 centuries in the name of 'being saved' MorningSong.

And YES that is precisely why they were tortured and burned!

The Christian belief was that the witch had sold her soul to the Devil (a character that you must believe in if you believe in Jesus), and that because of this she was a thread to the whole village. They believed that witches threaten everyone's abilty to be "saved".

It was entirely centered on the superstitious notion of being saved!

Gays would be the modern day 'witches' and would probably also be tortured and burned at the stake if society hadn't placed into affect laws of humanity!

The whole notion that people need to be 'saved' from some evil Satan is the very superstition that drives all these absurd notions MorningSong.

Moreover, you seem to be concerned with 'saving souls'.

But WHY?

Don't you trust God to save decent people on his own?

Do you seriously believe that someone might go to hell if you don't proselytize a religion at them?

If that were the case then you would become their 'savior'.

But that whole idea imples that God himself would let innocent people go to hell if YOU didn't save them.

That would imply that YOU are compassionately superior to God!

You care more about "saving souls" than God does!

That whole notion is asburd if you stop and think about it just for a moment.

If YOU need to do anything at all to save the soul of an innocent person, then there is something terrible wrong with God's justice system.

That would imply that without YOU God would have allowed that person to go to hell.

If you were personally responsible for having 'saved' anyone who woudn't have been saved without you, then you would be compassionately superior to God himself.

It simply can't be that way. God would need to be totally heartless if he would allow anyone to go to hell who doesn't utterly deserve it.

Therefore there's no one who needs to be 'saved'.

If you honestly believe that God is only interested in anyone who accepts his son as their 'savior' and God doesn't really care about whether or not that person is good.

Well then, wouldn't that just totally irradicate the entire need for a rule book in the first palce?

What would be the point in having a bunch of moral rules if the only thing that's important is that you accept God's son as your savior?

The whole religion is a train-wreck MorningSong. It's started out being about a God who was concerned with behavior, and ended up being about a God who is only concerened with having his Son recognized as the only way to be 'saved'.

It's just a superstition MorningSong.

Sorry.

But don't fret.

It doesn't mean that there is no God or no afterlife.

It just means that the Bible was a nightmare. That's all.

You'll still wake up from this life when you die and you'll be surrounded by loving friends and everything will be very nice.

No one will have been condemned to eternal damnation. It was all just a bad dream. There is no Satan, and there is no Hell.

And don't worry, after you die you'll even meet Jesus and he'll explain to you how the whole thing was totally misunderstood.