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Abra.....
Religiousity and Christianity are NOT the Same. 
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Abra..... Religiousity and Christianity are NOT the Same.
This makes absolutely no sense at all MorningSong. You want to believe that you have been 'saved' by the blood sacrifice of a God who requires blood sacrifices. Yet that entire story comes from an ancient mythology which must be believe in it's entirety to make any sense (not to imply that actually makes sense even then). But without believing in the entire story there would be nothing to be "saved" from. In order to believe that "Jesus Saves" you must first believe that you've been condemned by a God who Judges. You must believe in a God who has said that the wages of sin is death. And that what you are actually being saved from is the wrath of this very God. You must also believe in the story of Adam and Eve and the fall from grace. You can't seperate 'religiousity' from 'Christianity' whist retaining the idea that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of the God of Abraham. It just doesn't work that way. It truly is an all-or-nothing religion. But you seem to have made it into something of your own design. Of course this is no surprise to me. The fastest growing religion on the planet is said to be "Designer Christainity". These are Christians who basically denounce 'Chruchianity', and about 99% of what the Bible actually says whist retaining the idea that "Jesus Saves". 
In fact, when fundamentalists argue that the majority of the world is 'Christian' that's truly is a joke. What is actually true is that the majority of the world is "Designer Christains" who basically denounce the chruch and about 99% of what the Bible actually says. They just cling to the notion that "Jesus Saves". That's the only part their interested in.
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sat 12/20/08 03:59 AM
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GOD IS the WORD.
Religiousity is just man's Interpretation of God's Word. Not God's. Christianity is GOD'S Interpretation of the Word... Revealed to a Christian by way of the Holy Spirit , Now INDWELLING the Believer. The Holy Spirit INDWELLS and LEADS a Believer unto ALL TRUTH. Otherwise, without the Holy Spirit's Leading and Guiding.... the Word of God can be made to say any old thing man wants it to say... exactly like what you are doing on here now, Abra. 
ps...christians do not denounce one Word of the bible. And we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us, to help us rightly interpret and rightly divide the Word of God now.... meaning.... we don't go by man's interpretation... but we go by the Holy Spirit's interpretation only.
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AND ABRA......ONE MORE THING...... THE HOLY SPIRIT,WHICH INDWELLS EVERY SINGLE CHRISTIAN BELIEVER, WILL LEAD AND GUIDE EVERY SINGLE ONE INTO ALL TRUTH.... ALL IN DUE TIME. NONE GROW UP OVERNIGHT... SO THEREFORE, NONE ARE GONNA "GET IT" OVERNIGHT, EITHER!!! WE ALL ARE AT DIFFERENT LEVELS IN OUR WALK OF FAITH. HOWEVER... GOD PROMISES TO PERFECT THAT GOOD WORK THAT HE HAS BEGUN IN ALL OF US !! NO MATTER WHAT STAGE WE ARE AT, IN OUR CHRISTIAN WALK NOW , ( SOME OF US ARE STILL IN DIAPERS... SOME ARE JUST TODDLERS... SOME ARE MORE MATURE BY NOW...) GOD IS THE ONE, WHO IS COMPLETING THAT GOOD WORK THAT HE HAS BEGUN IN EVERY SINGLE CHRSITIAN !!! AND GOD IS THE ONE WHO WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT GOOD WORK HE IS DOING IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US... UNTIL THE WORK IN US IS DONE. 
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Edited by
Milesoftheusa
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Sat 12/20/08 05:11 AM
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I think it might be "What would Jesus do" Yes, that is what it stands for. Eljah. The problem is chr-stianity preaches against what Yahshua did. So how can you claim to follow him when you say what he did was not our example? Shalom...Miles Christianity does not preach against what Jesus did... no matter how much you insist otherwise, Miles. Be Blessed Now.. For someone to be your example then you follow what they do or did. Do you keep the 7th day sabbath? Do you keep Passover and the 7 Feasts Yahweh commanded? Do you eat as Yahshua did? That is just a few. If your answer is they are not important now so you do not do them.. Then you insult the Spirit of Grace and the Holy Spirit will not live in an Unclean Temple. Yahshua was hated for what he said and taught because the people enjoyed the customs of man more than The Commandments of Yahweh? Shalom...Miles This post prompts me to ask you this Miles: Do you believe that the writings of Paul, Peter, and John are inspirational and representative of the commands of Jesus? What is your position on New Testament inspiration? Even then they spoke of Pauls writing how unlearned men twisted his writings to thier own destruction. They were hard to be understood. I do not contradict anything the Apostles said. They kept the law period. Paul being a chosen Vessel by Yahshua on the road to Damascus and then in Galatians we read that it refers back to then that he went into Arabia to learn. For 3 years. Then we see in Acts 21 4 men who had a Vowel on them. The disciples were worried when they saw Paul. Why because people everywhere were saying he did not keep and teach the Law of Moses. Why would they say such a thing. Get your bible out and read it. Then read Numbers 6 about the Nazorite Vow. and The Law of how you finished your Vow. many people had Taken the Nazarite Vowel even while Yahshua was alive. He did not take it but his cousin John was under it. This will just be a simple point because chr-stianity has not been taught what THE LAW THAT WAS AGAINST US was.. That Yahshua nailed to the tree. What Law was it? Do you know? Yahweh did not make laws that was against us. Did he? In Acts 21 these 4 men Paul and this was more than 10 years after Yahshua's death and Ressurrection because Peters Vision was around 10 years after. Paul went into the temple paid thier fees so to speak. They all shaved thier Heads and offered sacrafices. Read Numbers 6 again and see what these sacrafices were. See you are taught that the sacraficial system could not be done after Yahshua's Death. But apperently it was. Is this the Law? Is this done away at that time? No. Yahshua told the Jews that he would Destroy this temple and raise it in 3 days. By the way tell me what day of the week Yahshua died? Because his ONLY sign he was the chosen Messiah is the sign of Jonah. It is hard to believe your scholars and preachers are delibertly teaching lies but it is Prophecy. Thier is a very deep connection to all this no wonder they said Paul taught against the law. But he did not and he proved it to them. This is when they accussed him of taking Greeks into the Temple because they had seen him with gentiles before. Now he was performing the duties of a PRIEST. Paul was well known and knew what he was talking about. Why do you think Yahshua chose him. His Zeal for the word. We are the Living Temple and the Holy Spirit will reside thier if it is clean. But notice Yahshua Told the JEWS he was going to destroy THIER TEMPLE. It was. And never has been rebuilt and it never will. A Temple built without hands is much more Glorious. That does not negate the fact the Temple stood for 30 years or so after Yahshua's death. How do you explain that by what Yahshua said? Can You? You learn what I just said and you will of learned more than all the training you have had all your life and the scriptures will be LIVING SCRIPTURES and not twisted ones. I have on me the same as Yahshua did when he started his earthly ministry in Luke 4:18. Read it and see what I am saying.He just quoted Isa 61 1-4. By you not knowing what was against us, lets satan to continue doing that law, it is to be.. You claim you are free. Free from what? You have made your own Laws and Rules to follow. Your own times of worship. Who is prophesied to do this and make his ministers out to be Angels of Light? The Lawless one. Who is he and how is he Lawless? We do not keep the law right? So what is prophisied will happen and has? he will change laws and Times. What does this mean. You see it is not hard if you will pull out your pride and really want to learn instead of going back 2000 years and saying this is the way our fathers did it ,it has to be right. What did Yahshua have to say about that? If you really want to learn I will guide you through here. Then the Holy Spirit when Yahweh see's a changed heart will teach you the rest as is also Prophesied. The Holy Spirit says do not think before hand what you are going to say for in that hour I will give them to you. Do you really believe that? The 70 remember what they were to do when Yahshua sent them out by two's. Read that closely it has to do with this very instant. Then look at Lot and see why he was Righteous. Think for yourself. You read this and think it is haywire but it is for those who are suppose to know to know. Can you understand now? Blessings...Miles |
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Miles, the diciples were at first afraid of Paul,
simply because he was formerly known as SAUL... the one who PERSECUTED christians jews. In other words, the diciples were not yet aware of Paul's experience on the road to Damascus, where , after the blinding experience, he finally believed..and became a beleiver in Jesus Christ also. |
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The Lord will command His lovingkindness in the daytime and in the night His song shall be with me-a prayer to the God of my life Psalm 42:8
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sat 12/20/08 06:14 AM
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Miles, trying to keep the law, like you are doing...
is still not gonna get you Saved. And Like I said before, Miles....in another post elsewhere.... a lot of what you share here, christian already believe and follow... for instance, we know we are the temple God was talking about...the one not built by hands.... all this we believe in already... but there are some things you share, that show me you still need to be born again, Miles.
Cause again, trying to keep the law, will not get you saved. After salvation, Christians obey God out of LOVE.... not because the law is telling them they HAVE to. Praying this is finally understood.
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The Lord will command His lovingkindness in the daytime and in the night His song shall be with me-a prayer to the God of my life Psalm 42:8
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sat 12/20/08 07:02 AM
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Miles wrote and I quote:
"You learn what I just said and you will of learned more than all the training you have had all your life and the scriptures will be LIVING SCRIPTURES and not twisted ones..." Ok Miles.......You do at times, share scripture we christians agree with, Miles.... but... until you are born again, you do not have the INdwelling of the Holy Spirit in you, to teach others...especially Christians. Awhile back, for instance, you shared that you think Jesus is the lawless one ...... and I see from what you wrote in your post above, that you still do. But it is not my job to make you see the error in this kind of thinking on your part. Jesus is not the lawless one as you seem to believe, Miles.... but instead, Jesus is Saviour, Lord..and the Word. But Only God can show you the Truth of Who He Really Is. I can't. I can just share. Have a good day, Miles.
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Abra..... Religiousity and Christianity are NOT the Same.
Well shouldnt something be done about that? Most people associate the two. I have not found Christians that attended Church to be morally superior to those that dont or vice versa. |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Sat 12/20/08 08:59 AM
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Abra..... Religiousity and Christianity are NOT the Same.
Well shouldnt something be done about that? Most people associate the two. I have not found Christians that attended Church to be morally superior to those that dont or vice versa. That's just a slogan the Protestants use to justify their rebellion against the Body of Christ of Catholicism. Protestants are just heathens and heretics who pretend to be 'saved'. They don't believe in the biblical doctrine at all. If MorningSong truly believed in the Bible she would never speak out publicaly on religious matters becasue it clearly states in the Bible that women aren't to do this. In fact all Protestant women do this very thing. They couldn't care less what the Biblical God has commaned. All they want to do is pin-up pretty posters of Jesus hanging on a cross and preach that "Jesus Saves". They totally ignore the rest of the Bible. Unless of course they can use it to support a bigoted view. Then they'll go rooting around in the Old Testament looking are archaic things to accuse people of. I find it extremely hilarious that there is far more the the Bible about God not wanting women to speak out on religious matters, than there is about God's supposed dislike of homosexuality. Yet Christians denounce homosexuality like it is one of the Ten Commandments, and they totally ignore the fact that women aren't supposed to speak out in public on important matters.
It's silly. They just pick and choose what they want to harp on and reject the rest. Like someone else said, Modern Christianity has become a Salad-bar religion. Just take what you think is delicious and leave the rest at the bar. It's silly. But it's still dangerous even today. It just gives people an excuse to use the Bible to back up their bigotry. That's all modern Christianity is anymore. It's just a way to become a bigot and point to the Bible and say, "I'm not the bigot! God is!". 
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The only reason the Protestants broke away from the Catholic church was they wanted to be granted the ability to divorce their spouses. England adopted the Protestant religion during King Henry VIII reign, approximately around 1534. Prior to this, England had followed Roman Catholicism, this denied a man the right to divorce his wife. Henry VIII began to support Protestants during 1533-1534 when he wanted to divorce his wife, Catherine of Aragon in order to marry Anne Boleyn.(the name of one of my alpacas incidentally)
Many people still followed the Roman Catholic way of life, until the Church of England and the Protestant traditions became more accepted. |
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Yet Christians denounce homosexuality like it is one of the Ten Commandments, and they totally ignore the fact that women aren't supposed to speak out in public on important matters.
Perhaps religion isn't that important after all? |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sat 12/20/08 10:02 AM
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Christians find gay and Lesbian people scary for whatever reason. The derogatory term "fag" comes form old English and it was referring to a homosexual that was to be lit aflame and burned as a heretic.
"In the inquisition of Europe, when witches were being burned, among those sought out for burning were gay people. They were required to gather the very "bundles of sticks" (the real meaning of a faggot) with which they would be burnt. When the faggots (sticks) were running out, gay men were thrown on the fire to keep it going for the witches. Faggot came to mean gay man to force them into the closet for fear of death." |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sat 12/20/08 09:55 AM
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Abra...God doesn't mind women speaking....
sorry you are taking scripture out of context as usual. Praying God will make everything clear to you.
Abra, I know you are sharing what you THINK the bible says, .... but in all sincverity.... Your version is not what the Word of God really says at all, My Friend. God of the bible is not the terrible God you think He is . God doesn't mind at ALL, that EVERYONE Shares the Good News. EVERYONE. God is not some religious legalistic God, Abra. In fact, God FREES people from Religiousity and Legalistic Bondage!! Praise God!!!!
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Abra...God doesn't mind women speaking.
Women are commanded by Paul to be silent in church and to be obedient to men. He further says that "if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in church." |
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Krimsa..that exactly is an example, right there.......
where the Word has to be rightly divided.... and not taken out of context. If you read the whole Word of God, you find where God uses womem mightily in the bible...and they spoke also. This again, is why one must be born again, cause only then, will he/she be indwelt with, and led by The Holy Spirit , which in turn, leads and guides into All Truth... including rightly dividing God's Word. Have a Blessed Day Now Krimsa.
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Okay well try to place it into context for me since Im misunderstanding by your definition. I took that from Corinthians. Place it into proper context on your next post please. Im waiting here.
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sat 12/20/08 10:33 AM
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Abra...gonna be upfront with you.... I sense the root cause of all your carrying on here, for over a year now... is not really directed towards God at all... but towards someone in your past... and needs to be dealt with asap. Praying you will be healed of the REAL root cause of this carrying on, Abra. I love you my friend, but I for one, will not stay on this board,if this type of unhealthy atmosphere created by you, continues. Most healthy people won't ....ok , Abra?
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