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Eljay said;
All of the work that Doctors are doing in stem cell reseach can be done without destroying any human life. But can doctors be trusted to do this? Hardly. Take a look at the bill you get from a doctor and attempt to explain to me how you aren't being robbed. It is a liscence to steal. They cannot be trusted. And the few/many that can't, determine what the standard is for the rest.
Eljay, when religious people begin talking about science and modern medicine, I generally feel the need to interject some credible explanation to dispel some of these superstitious rumors. We are just now getting to the point where we are not as reliant on the embryonic stem cells. In order to reach that level of understanding, we REQUIRED the use of the embryonic stem cells. This new research is very promising indeed, but the new technique, like de-differentiation before it, won't replace embryonic stem cells, and wouldn't have been possible without them to begin with. Something to consider. Religious folks need to butt out. It doesn't concern you. It concerns the thousands of diabetics, cystic fibrosis and muscular dystrophy patients that are waiting in the hope that something can bring this cure a little closer. We are getting there but not if crazy people insist on pulling the plug on the research. In that case, lets just throw all of these medical research techs, doctors and nurses into prisons. Lets just do what we did with Galileo. 
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I think it might be "What would Jesus do" Yes, that is what it stands for. Eljah. The problem is chr-stianity preaches against what Yahshua did. So how can you claim to follow him when you say what he did was not our example? Shalom...Miles Christianity does not preach against what Jesus did... no matter how much you insist otherwise, Miles. Be Blessed Now.. For someone to be your example then you follow what they do or did. Do you keep the 7th day sabbath? Do you keep Passover and the 7 Feasts Yahweh commanded? Do you eat as Yahshua did? That is just a few. If your answer is they are not important now so you do not do them.. Then you insult the Spirit of Grace and the Holy Spirit will not live in an Unclean Temple. Yahshua was hated for what he said and taught because the people enjoyed the customs of man more than The Commandments of Yahweh? Shalom...Miles This post prompts me to ask you this Miles: Do you believe that the writings of Paul, Peter, and John are inspirational and representative of the commands of Jesus? What is your position on New Testament inspiration? Even then they spoke of Pauls writing how unlearned men twisted his writings to thier own destruction. They were hard to be understood. I do not contradict anything the Apostles said. They kept the law period. Paul being a chosen Vessel by Yahshua on the road to Damascus and then in Galatians we read that it refers back to then that he went into Arabia to learn. For 3 years. Then we see in Acts 21 4 men who had a Vowel on them. The disciples were worried when they saw Paul. Why because people everywhere were saying he did not keep and teach the Law of Moses. Why would they say such a thing. Get your bible out and read it. Then read Numbers 6 about the Nazorite Vow. and The Law of how you finished your Vow. many people had Taken the Nazarite Vowel even while Yahshua was alive. He did not take it but his cousin John was under it. This will just be a simple point because chr-stianity has not been taught what THE LAW THAT WAS AGAINST US was.. That Yahshua nailed to the tree. What Law was it? Do you know? Yahweh did not make laws that was against us. Did he? In Acts 21 these 4 men Paul and this was more than 10 years after Yahshua's death and Ressurrection because Peters Vision was around 10 years after. Paul went into the temple paid thier fees so to speak. They all shaved thier Heads and offered sacrafices. Read Numbers 6 again and see what these sacrafices were. See you are taught that the sacraficial system could not be done after Yahshua's Death. But apperently it was. Is this the Law? Is this done away at that time? No. Yahshua told the Jews that he would Destroy this temple and raise it in 3 days. By the way tell me what day of the week Yahshua died? Because his ONLY sign he was the chosen Messiah is the sign of Jonah. It is hard to believe your scholars and preachers are delibertly teaching lies but it is Prophecy. Thier is a very deep connection to all this no wonder they said Paul taught against the law. But he did not and he proved it to them. This is when they accussed him of taking Greeks into the Temple because they had seen him with gentiles before. Now he was performing the duties of a PRIEST. Paul was well known and knew what he was talking about. Why do you think Yahshua chose him. His Zeal for the word. We are the Living Temple and the Holy Spirit will reside thier if it is clean. But notice Yahshua Told the JEWS he was going to destroy THIER TEMPLE. It was. And never has been rebuilt and it never will. A Temple built without hands is much more Glorious. That does not negate the fact the Temple stood for 30 years or so after Yahshua's death. How do you explain that by what Yahshua said? Can You? You learn what I just said and you will of learned more than all the training you have had all your life and the scriptures will be LIVING SCRIPTURES and not twisted ones. I have on me the same as Yahshua did when he started his earthly ministry in Luke 4:18. Read it and see what I am saying.He just quoted Isa 61 1-4. By you not knowing what was against us, lets satan to continue doing that law, it is to be.. You claim you are free. Free from what? You have made your own Laws and Rules to follow. Your own times of worship. Who is prophesied to do this and make his ministers out to be Angels of Light? The Lawless one. Who is he and how is he Lawless? We do not keep the law right? So what is prophisied will happen and has? he will change laws and Times. What does this mean. You see it is not hard if you will pull out your pride and really want to learn instead of going back 2000 years and saying this is the way our fathers did it ,it has to be right. What did Yahshua have to say about that? If you really want to learn I will guide you through here. Then the Holy Spirit when Yahweh see's a changed heart will teach you the rest as is also Prophesied. The Holy Spirit says do not think before hand what you are going to say for in that hour I will give them to you. Do you really believe that? The 70 remember what they were to do when Yahshua sent them out by two's. Read that closely it has to do with this very instant. Then look at Lot and see why he was Righteous. Think for yourself. You read this and think it is haywire but it is for those who are suppose to know to know. Can you understand now? Blessings...Miles I was never in a position of not understanding. What I said I wasn't clear on - is whether or not you believed that the New Testament writers were inspiried, making those texts as sacred as the Law - which I can see you hold in high esteem. Jesus did not come to abolish the law, but to fullfill it. While I perhaps do not view the law in quite the same way that you do (I will not be stoning any unruly children in the near future - not to say I think you will either) It is my belief that one is not saved by keeping the Law, because one cannot keep the Law. However - willful disobedience to the Law, even today - is going to bring about consequences. Which is why Paul says that the Law is a schoolmaster. But the Law only prophecizes the coming of Jesus. It does not instruct those who lived with it - what to do once the ultimate sacrifice had been made. Thus - we have the New Testament. Not that the New Testament contradics the Law - but it fullfils it, and in doing so - some of the Law no longer "applies". Obviously - the ten commandments will never be abandoned - but by merely keeping the Golden Rule, one need not be concerned about this. Ceremonial sacrifies for sin are no longer necessary - because Jesus was the final sacrifice for sin. There are numerous examples of what is written in the Law that can be seen to have moved into something different (not contradictory) due to the coming of Christ. These are pointed out by Paul all through his writings. Circumcision being an example of this. What has been lost is the oral traditions. They are no longer needed, and are not necessary for salvation. Which is the entire purpose of the Law to begin with. It is for man to understand rightiousness - and hold dear to it, not for man to be legalistic about it and lord it over others. Exactly what the pharacies had become. Legalists. The spirit of the Law was lost over the legalism of it. That is why it matters not what day one determines the Sabbath to be - just that they determine there is one, and keep it. It is irrelivant what day of the week Jesus died. What matters very much is that he did, and arose again - and lives today. It's like the issue with Christmas. What does it matter if it was December 25th - or July 4th. It isn't important. What is important is that the birth of the Savior is celebrated, and revered by all believers. That is all that is asked of from us. The Holy spirit will lead all true believers to what truth is to be revealed to them. For some - they need the discipline of the Law in their lives, and making it formost in their conscience. To others, this is not an issue. It comes naturally. Even unbelievers can keep the Law. But the Law is not there for the sake of keeping people from doing things - but to demonstrate the rightiousness of God, and that there is a standard to live up to, which man is not capable of maintaining - therefore they are in need of a Savior to be that rightiousness for them, because it is only through the Law that man is woefully aware of just how unrightious he is. |
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1 Corinthians 7
7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. Paul says those who are circumcised should "not become uncircumcised." (It's pretty hard to undo.)  
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Well aside from jokes about the name "Barak", Ive discussed this topic with you also Miles. I know that you take the position that the bible is not misogynist in tone. You have attempted to justify it. I find that deplorable. Even if you dont consider yourself a Christian by definition. What do you mean DEPLORABLE? You dont know what the word deplorable means? It means bad, terrible, awful. |
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Eljay said; All of the work that Doctors are doing in stem cell reseach can be done without destroying any human life. But can doctors be trusted to do this? Hardly. Take a look at the bill you get from a doctor and attempt to explain to me how you aren't being robbed. It is a liscence to steal. They cannot be trusted. And the few/many that can't, determine what the standard is for the rest.
Eljay, when religious people begin talking about science and modern medicine, I generally feel the need to interject some credible explanation to dispel some of these superstitious rumors. We are just now getting to the point where we are not as reliant on the embryonic stem cells. In order to reach that level of understanding, we REQUIRED the use of the embryonic stem cells. This new research is very promising indeed, but the new technique, like de-differentiation before it, won't replace embryonic stem cells, and wouldn't have been possible without them to begin with. Something to consider. Religious folks need to butt out. It doesn't concern you. It concerns the thousands of diabetics, cystic fibrosis and muscular dystrophy patients that are waiting in the hope that something can bring this cure a little closer. We are getting there but not if crazy people insist on pulling the plug on the research. In that case, lets just throw all of these medical research techs, doctors and nurses into prisons. Lets just do what we did with Galileo.
Krimsa; What gets me is when people start putting labels like "religious" on poeple, and think that this somehow disqualifies them to know anything about science. Think you know more about this topic than I do because your not religious? My statement was to Abra's erronious claim of christians being unsupportive of the research done with stem cells. I said nothing about the scope or limits of what that research encompasses. Work on your comprehensive reading before you start to pull out quotes and force them into a context that supports your point, and not the one the quote was referencing. And stop the pretentious bickering about what religious peope do. You know nothing about the subject, and are only spewing out what are the opinions and complaints of others whose idea's you have adopted because it suits you. If your going to formulate an opinion about what religios people do or do not believe, at least educate yourself about it so that your opinion has some relevance. Else your just spouting your own religion - like Abra does. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sun 12/21/08 07:03 AM
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All of the work that Doctors are doing in stem cell reseach can be done without destroying any human life. But can doctors be trusted to do this? Hardly. Take a look at the bill you get from a doctor and attempt to explain to me how you aren't being robbed. It is a liscence to steal. They cannot be trusted. And the few/many that can't, determine what the standard is for the rest.
This is the quote taken from your post that I was responding to. Please explain what else you could have possibly meant besides " All of the work that Doctors are doing in stem cell research can be done without destroying any human life". This is a crazy, unscientifically based statment. If I was wrong, then it would be up to you to somehow re-explain what you meant here. |
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I think it might be "What would Jesus do" Yes, that is what it stands for. Eljah. The problem is chr-stianity preaches against what Yahshua did. So how can you claim to follow him when you say what he did was not our example? Shalom...Miles Christianity does not preach against what Jesus did... no matter how much you insist otherwise, Miles. Be Blessed Now.. For someone to be your example then you follow what they do or did. Do you keep the 7th day sabbath? Do you keep Passover and the 7 Feasts Yahweh commanded? Do you eat as Yahshua did? That is just a few. If your answer is they are not important now so you do not do them.. Then you insult the Spirit of Grace and the Holy Spirit will not live in an Unclean Temple. Yahshua was hated for what he said and taught because the people enjoyed the customs of man more than The Commandments of Yahweh? Shalom...Miles This post prompts me to ask you this Miles: Do you believe that the writings of Paul, Peter, and John are inspirational and representative of the commands of Jesus? What is your position on New Testament inspiration? Even then they spoke of Pauls writing how unlearned men twisted his writings to thier own destruction. They were hard to be understood. I do not contradict anything the Apostles said. They kept the law period. Paul being a chosen Vessel by Yahshua on the road to Damascus and then in Galatians we read that it refers back to then that he went into Arabia to learn. For 3 years. Then we see in Acts 21 4 men who had a Vowel on them. The disciples were worried when they saw Paul. Why because people everywhere were saying he did not keep and teach the Law of Moses. Why would they say such a thing. Get your bible out and read it. Then read Numbers 6 about the Nazorite Vow. and The Law of how you finished your Vow. many people had Taken the Nazarite Vowel even while Yahshua was alive. He did not take it but his cousin John was under it. This will just be a simple point because chr-stianity has not been taught what THE LAW THAT WAS AGAINST US was.. That Yahshua nailed to the tree. What Law was it? Do you know? Yahweh did not make laws that was against us. Did he? In Acts 21 these 4 men Paul and this was more than 10 years after Yahshua's death and Ressurrection because Peters Vision was around 10 years after. Paul went into the temple paid thier fees so to speak. They all shaved thier Heads and offered sacrafices. Read Numbers 6 again and see what these sacrafices were. See you are taught that the sacraficial system could not be done after Yahshua's Death. But apperently it was. Is this the Law? Is this done away at that time? No. Yahshua told the Jews that he would Destroy this temple and raise it in 3 days. By the way tell me what day of the week Yahshua died? Because his ONLY sign he was the chosen Messiah is the sign of Jonah. It is hard to believe your scholars and preachers are delibertly teaching lies but it is Prophecy. Thier is a very deep connection to all this no wonder they said Paul taught against the law. But he did not and he proved it to them. This is when they accussed him of taking Greeks into the Temple because they had seen him with gentiles before. Now he was performing the duties of a PRIEST. Paul was well known and knew what he was talking about. Why do you think Yahshua chose him. His Zeal for the word. We are the Living Temple and the Holy Spirit will reside thier if it is clean. But notice Yahshua Told the JEWS he was going to destroy THIER TEMPLE. It was. And never has been rebuilt and it never will. A Temple built without hands is much more Glorious. That does not negate the fact the Temple stood for 30 years or so after Yahshua's death. How do you explain that by what Yahshua said? Can You? You learn what I just said and you will of learned more than all the training you have had all your life and the scriptures will be LIVING SCRIPTURES and not twisted ones. I have on me the same as Yahshua did when he started his earthly ministry in Luke 4:18. Read it and see what I am saying.He just quoted Isa 61 1-4. By you not knowing what was against us, lets satan to continue doing that law, it is to be.. You claim you are free. Free from what? You have made your own Laws and Rules to follow. Your own times of worship. Who is prophesied to do this and make his ministers out to be Angels of Light? The Lawless one. Who is he and how is he Lawless? We do not keep the law right? So what is prophisied will happen and has? he will change laws and Times. What does this mean. You see it is not hard if you will pull out your pride and really want to learn instead of going back 2000 years and saying this is the way our fathers did it ,it has to be right. What did Yahshua have to say about that? If you really want to learn I will guide you through here. Then the Holy Spirit when Yahweh see's a changed heart will teach you the rest as is also Prophesied. The Holy Spirit says do not think before hand what you are going to say for in that hour I will give them to you. Do you really believe that? The 70 remember what they were to do when Yahshua sent them out by two's. Read that closely it has to do with this very instant. Then look at Lot and see why he was Righteous. Think for yourself. You read this and think it is haywire but it is for those who are suppose to know to know. Can you understand now? Blessings...Miles I was never in a position of not understanding. What I said I wasn't clear on - is whether or not you believed that the New Testament writers were inspiried, making those texts as sacred as the Law - which I can see you hold in high esteem. Jesus did not come to abolish the law, but to fullfill it. While I perhaps do not view the law in quite the same way that you do (I will not be stoning any unruly children in the near future - not to say I think you will either) It is my belief that one is not saved by keeping the Law, because one cannot keep the Law. However - willful disobedience to the Law, even today - is going to bring about consequences. Which is why Paul says that the Law is a schoolmaster. But the Law only prophecizes the coming of Jesus. It does not instruct those who lived with it - what to do once the ultimate sacrifice had been made. Thus - we have the New Testament. Not that the New Testament contradics the Law - but it fullfils it, and in doing so - some of the Law no longer "applies". Obviously - the ten commandments will never be abandoned - but by merely keeping the Golden Rule, one need not be concerned about this. Ceremonial sacrifies for sin are no longer necessary - because Jesus was the final sacrifice for sin. There are numerous examples of what is written in the Law that can be seen to have moved into something different (not contradictory) due to the coming of Christ. These are pointed out by Paul all through his writings. Circumcision being an example of this. What has been lost is the oral traditions. They are no longer needed, and are not necessary for salvation. Which is the entire purpose of the Law to begin with. It is for man to understand rightiousness - and hold dear to it, not for man to be legalistic about it and lord it over others. Exactly what the pharacies had become. Legalists. The spirit of the Law was lost over the legalism of it. That is why it matters not what day one determines the Sabbath to be - just that they determine there is one, and keep it. It is irrelivant what day of the week Jesus died. What matters very much is that he did, and arose again - and lives today. It's like the issue with Christmas. What does it matter if it was December 25th - or July 4th. It isn't important. What is important is that the birth of the Savior is celebrated, and revered by all believers. That is all that is asked of from us. The Holy spirit will lead all true believers to what truth is to be revealed to them. For some - they need the discipline of the Law in their lives, and making it formost in their conscience. To others, this is not an issue. It comes naturally. Even unbelievers can keep the Law. But the Law is not there for the sake of keeping people from doing things - but to demonstrate the rightiousness of God, and that there is a standard to live up to, which man is not capable of maintaining - therefore they are in need of a Savior to be that rightiousness for them, because it is only through the Law that man is woefully aware of just how unrightious he is. You are no different than at the Time Yahshua's was on earth. Mark 7:6-8 6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 7 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men .' 8 For laying aside the commandment of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men — the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do." NKJV Now you said.. Quote... What has been lost is the oral traditions. They are no longer needed, and are not necessary for salvation. Which is the entire purpose of the Law to begin with. It is for man to understand rightiousness - and hold dear to it, not for man to be legalistic about it and lord it over others. Exactly what the pharacies had become. Legalists. The spirit of the Law was lost over the legalism of it. That is why it matters not what day one determines the Sabbath to be - just that they determine there is one, and keep it. It is irrelivant what day of the week Jesus died. What matters very much is that he did, and arose again - and lives today. It's like the issue with Christmas. What does it matter if it was December 25th - or July 4th. It isn't important. What is important is that the birth of the Savior is celebrated, and revered by all believers. That is all that is asked of from us. !st which commandments can we do and which do we not have to do? 2nd... It's like the issue with Christmas. What does it matter if it was December 25th - or July 4th. It isn't important. What is important is that the birth of the Savior is celebrated, and revered by all believers. Now what did Yahshua say and what does Scripture say your OT as you call it. Job 3:3 "May the day perish on which I was born , NKJV Job 8:8-9 8 "For inquire, please, of the former age, And consider the things discovered by their fathers; 9 For we were born yesterday, and know nothing, Because our days on earth are a shadow NKJV Jer 20:14-15 14 Cursed be the day in which I was born ! Let the day not be blessed in which my mother bore me! 15 Let the man be cursed Who brought news to my father, saying, "A male child has been born to you!" NKJV That's 2 saying let thier day be cursed. Lev 22:26-27 26 And Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying: 27 "When a bull or a sheep or a goat is born , it shall be seven days with its mother; and from the eighth day and thereafter it shall be accepted as an offering made by fire to Yahweh. NKJV That does not make since here .huh? Now here is a wierd thing that happened. The Law was given at mount Sinai. And they were commmanded to circumsize thier children. John 7:22-24 22 Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. 23 If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath? 24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." NKJV Now here Yahshua is upholding Circumcision of a new born babe. Why is it below none of the children below had been circumsized that entered the promice land? Did Yahweh tell Moses do not circumsize the children in the desert? Did he? Josh 5:5-6 5 For all the people who came out had been circumcised, but all the people born in the wilderness, on the way as they came out of Egypt, had not been circumcised. 6 For the children of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness, till all the people who were men of war, who came out of Egypt, were consumed, because they did not obey the voice of Yahweh — to whom Yahweh swore that He would not show them the land which Yahweh had sworn to their fathers that He would give us,"a land flowing with milk and honey." NKJV A promice. A heavenly land. Then here Joshua the son of Nun has everyone circumsized. Why did Moses and Yahweh allow this? Many people were put to death in the wilderness for disobedience. The Law.. The 7th and the 8th day. Why are they so important? Gen 17:9-14 10 This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised ; 11 and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised , every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant. 13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised , and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant." NKJV What? Everyone who is not circumcised in the flesh shall be cut off? What happened in the desert? Cut off have we heard those words before? Have we and are you a child of Abraham by Promice? What did they and we seek to enter? Is it not the Promiced land? Lev 12:3-4 3 And on the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised . 4 She shall then continue in the blood of her purification thirty-three days. She shall not touch any hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary until the days of her purification are fulfilled. NKJV Huh.. A woman gives birth and then she is basically told to stay away for 40 days? on the 8th day she circumcises her male child and then she is to be seperated. Sounds like a goat to me what do you say? Ex 34:26-28 26 "The first of the firstfruits of your land you shall bring to the house of Yahweh your Elohim. You shall not boil a young goat in its mother's milk." What a strange statement out of the Blue. Then what does Yahweh do? 27 Then Yahweh said to Moses, "Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel." 28 So he was there with Yahweh forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments. NKJV Wow and then thier is those 40 days again.. Strange stuff. But what is boiling a goat in it's mother's milk? And why wait? Lev 22:26-30 26 And Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying: 27 "When a bull or a sheep or a goat is born , it shall be seven days with its mother; and from the eighth day and thereafter it shall be accepted as an offering made by fire to Yahweh. 28 Whether it is a cow or ewe, do not kill both her and her young on the same day. 29 And when you offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving to Yahweh, offer it of your own free will. 30 On the same day it shall be eaten; you shall leave none of it until morning: I am Yahweh. NKJV Strange stuff.. What was Yahshua? John 1:35-36 Again, the next day, John stood with two of his disciples. 36 And looking at Yahshua as He walked, he said,"Behold the Lamb of Yahweh!" NKJV 1 Peter 1:17-21 17 And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; 18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you 21 who through Him believe in Elohim, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in Elohim. NKJV Thier is that Traditions of your fathers again. Yahshua a lamb with out Blimish. Now lets think about this again. What are we? Heb 2:10-18 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying: "I will declare Your name to My brethren; In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You." 13 And again: "I will put My trust in Him." And again: "Here am I and the children whom Yahweh has given Me." We are Yahshua's Children who Yahweh gave him. 14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to Yahweh, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted. NKJV Then again here is the Seed of Abraham mentioned. Are we not by seed, Children? Then those small few words. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted. What does this mean and why am I talking Crazy? Heb 8:7-12 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "Behold, the days are coming, says Yahweh, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah — 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says Yahweh. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their Elohim and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, 'Know Yahweh,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." NKJV Who was thier fault in? Now Abraham was mentioned above but Moses children are the rebellious ones who did not make it where? Where are we wanting to go. Now I understand that the world has been taught that the OT is just that old and we should not do it . We are under Grace. Yet things I am saying in which I am told over and over i do not have the Holy Spirit in me and try to justify myself by the law. I need to be born again. Born.. Yea that's it the celebration of birth. Huh. Did you see any celebration of birth in what I cut and pasted? Did you see any cursing about natural birth? Lets see what about Yahshua and the Law of Motherhood giving birth to a male child. Lev 12:3-4 3 And on the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised . 4 She shall then continue in the blood of her purification thirty-three days. She shall not touch any hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary until the days of her purification are fulfilled. NKJV Remember I spoke of 40 days of Purification from giving birth. 40 is a number many speculate about. A generation in the wilderness. ect ect. This Generation will not pass away. But what does Child Birth and circumcision have to do with us keeping the law today.. And mans traditions of thier father the DEVIL. He is the father of Lies right? Ok lets look at what Yahshua did when he was "born again" as i am not. Well at least that is what i am reminded of. What did he do? Matt 4:1-3 Then Yahshua was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, "If You are the Son of Yahweh, command that these stones become bread." NKJV Wait did we read earlier Yahshua was Tempted for our benefit and what did Yahweh give Yahshua? Was it not children? And if when he came up out of the Water and the Spirit Lighted on him did he not become a Parent to us? Wow then he went up for 40 days of Purification. Just as the LAW Described. Yet he is a male not a woman. Does not make no sence,huh? But we are his children. He went away for forty days. Now I asked you when was Yahshua killed. and you replied. Quote.. Legalists. The spirit of the Law was lost over the legalism of it. That is why it matters not what day one determines the Sabbath to be - just that they determine there is one, and keep it. It is irrelivant what day of the week Jesus died. What matters very much is that he did, and arose again - and lives today. It's like the issue with Christmas. Legalists.. Now what a key word in Christianity. Oh Legalists don't listen stay away.. bad oh so bad. You ever watch Church lady on SNL? I feel like church lady talking to Jimmy Swaggart. Did you ever see that episode? Oh Dana he is so good. Remember his favorite words or hers I guess? Convient how convient. just could not keep that little whipper snacker tucked away could we Jimmy? Oh how comedy speaks truth. Don't you agree? Oh sorry I got side tracked being a what was it again? Oh i was caught up being a Legalists. yea That's it Yea. Well I better get off this bunny trail and get back to purification. Yahshua went to be tempted as a Mother is seperated from her children for 40 days. Has anyone ever said this before that you know of? I wonder why? Then this seperation is spoken of after the Male Child has been circumcized. The 8th day. that brings be to all the things the Bible says that are done away and we should keep heathon customs instead. When did Yahshua die? When did he enter Jerusalem on a Donkey? And when did he present HIMSELF before the father because remember when Mary seen him he said he had not been Purified yet. remember that? Now here is a funny Bunny trail also. Matt 17:1-2 Now after six days Yahshua took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. NKJV After 6 days and what did Yahshua tell them about it? Matt 17:9 9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Yahshua commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead." NKJV Another funny Bunny Trail. After 7 days he said and what happens on the 8th Day? Now mary>> Luke 24:1-7 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. 3 Then they went in and did not find the body of Master Yahshua. 4 And it happened, as they were greatly perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in shining garments. 5 Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them, "Why do you seek the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen ! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, 7 saying, 'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.'" NKJV The sign of Jonah huh? remember that. The 1st day of the week equals what? The 8th day for a male child to be circumced. And do you Know Yahshua stood up and proclaimed on that Last great day of the Feast.. The 8th day.. Remember? John 7:37-39 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Yahshua stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Yahshua was not yet glorified. NKJV You can read about the 8th day or the Last Great Day of the Feast in Lev. 23. He had not been Glorified. I do not know about you but this 8th day circumcision is sounding Awfully important. A quick summary. 1 A animal is not to be sacraficed before the 8th day that has had a male child. 2 Do not boil a goat or sheep in it's mother's milk.. then the 10 commandments are given. 3 A mother is seperated after Circumsision of her male child who had been born. 4 Yahshua presented himself to the father on the 8th day of the week (1st). 5 Yahshua after the spirit lighted on him went away for 40 days. 6 Yahweh gave us as children to him. 7 We are told in the NT about being Abrahams seed who he was commanded to circumcize all the male children. Now How are are the People to prepare the lamb before Passover? Ex 12:1-6 Now Yahweh spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2 "This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. 3 Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: 'On the tenth of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb , according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. 4 And if the household is too small for the lamb , let him and his neighbor next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb . 5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. 6 Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight. NKJV The 10th day of the month you shall bring it into your household. according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. 4 And if the household is too small for the lamb , let him and his neighbor next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb . 5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. How does this relate to Yahshua?.. Matt 21:6-11 6 So the disciples went and did as Yahshua commanded them. 7 They brought the donkey and the colt, laid their clothes on them, and set Him on them. 8 And a very great multitude spread their clothes on the road; others cut down branches from the trees and spread them on the road. 9 Then the multitudes who went before and those who followed cried out, saying: "Hosanna to the Son of David! 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of Yahweh!' (who's name?) Hosanna in the highest!" 10 And when He had come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, "Who is this?" 11 So the multitudes said, "This is Yahshua, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee." NKJV Why the palm branches? Lev 23:39-43 39'Also on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep the feast of Yahweh for seven days; on the first day there shall be a sabbath-rest, and on the eighth day a sabbath-rest. 40 And you shall take for yourselves on . 41 You shall keep it as a feast to Yahweh for seven days in the year. It shall be a statute forever in your generations. You shall celebrate it in the seventh month. 42 You shall dwell in booths for seven days. All who are native Israelites shall dwell in booths, 43 that your generations may know that I made the children of Israel dwell in booths when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am Yahweh your Elohim.'" NKJV Again we see the 8th day. We also see we also see this is in the 7th month for 7 days. We see the first day the fruit of beautiful trees, branches of palm trees, the boughs of leafy trees, and willows of the brook; and you shall rejoice before Yahweh your Elohim for seven days. Palm branches just like that was spread on the Ground for Yahshua's DONKEY to walk on enter Jerusalem. What are we called? Tabernacles, we live in Booths. Our bodies. Why lay them on the ground? For a donkey to walk on? Why was it important Yahshua ride into Jerusalem? What did Yahshua tell the 70 about entering and leaving cities? Matt 10:11-15 11 "Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. 12 And when you go into a household, greet it. 13 If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. 15 Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city! NKJV Is Jerusalem Yahweh's City of Peace? Was Yahshua welcomed in? What did he do 1st thing after he got in thier on the 10th Day of the 1st month when a Lamb without Blemish is to enter your house to be with you untill you kill it 4 days later on the evening time of the 14th? Matt 21:9-16 Hosanna in the highest!" 10 And when He had come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, "Who is this?" 11 So the multitudes said, "This is Yahshua, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee." (Mark 11:15-19; Luke 19:45-48; John 2:13-22) Then Yahshua went into the temple of Elohim and drove out all those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 13 And He said to them, "It is written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer ,' but you have made it a 'den of thieves.'" 14 Then the blind and the lame came to Him in the temple, and He healed them. 15 But when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that He did, and the children crying out in the temple and saying, "Hosanna to the Son of David!" they were indignant 16 and said to Him, "Do You hear what these are saying?" And Yahshua said to them, "Yes. Have you never read, 'Out of the mouth of babes and nursing infants You have perfected praise'?" NKJV babes and nursing infants. My house shall be called a house of Prayer. Do you see yet that the law explains through Yahshua Mysteries? And yet it is done away for Heathon Customs. YAHWEH FORBID!!!!!!! To summerise as I know this is long and I could right a book about this. Prophecy is in all the things you claim are not important to observe.. That is how Yahweh teaches you. Through EXAMPLE!!! yahshua presented himself before the father with the sins of the world being the 8th day of the week being Circumcised in Heaven from his Death and was then Taken outside the city where the Dust of his feet was wiped off because they rejected him and his Peace did not on them' He prayed not for the world but for those who were his. His children just as a lamb for Passover is for the Household. You do a little homework and even I challenge you to prove what I have written is not the TRUTh of Yahweh's word. I challenge you to find anyone who understands what I just wrote anywhere on the web or any minister. Yahshua was Impaled on the 4th day of the week. The forth commandment because he gave us rest. man was not Made for the Sabbath but the sabbath for man. Yahshua HaMachYah.. HalleluYah For Yahweh's Holy Word. yahshua was impaled on a Wednsday. Put in the tomb at evening starting thursday. Counting Thursday, Friday saturaday at evening = 3 days the sign of Jonah. The only sign given he was who he is. That is why it matters. The world makes 3 days and 3 nights from friday evening to sunday and is the BIGGEST LIE SATAN HAS PUT ON YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE. Then he rose being a spotless babe circumcised into the Priesthood as Our High priest being the Judge who on The 8th day. The beginning of 8000 years that all the graves will be opened and he will judge them by what is written in the books by thier WORKS. No I am not born again I do not have the sprit us what alot say. I told you what I have on me and I will quote the scripture but it is not just me but all those who will stand up for the COMMANDMENTS OF YAHWEH Over the TRADITIONS of MEN. Luke 4:18-19 18 "The Spirit of Yahweh is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh. NKJV This is my Commission and I willingly accept it.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles |
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I think it might be "What would Jesus do" Yes, that is what it stands for. Eljah. The problem is chr-stianity preaches against what Yahshua did. So how can you claim to follow him when you say what he did was not our example? Shalom...Miles Christianity does not preach against what Jesus did... no matter how much you insist otherwise, Miles. Be Blessed Now.. For someone to be your example then you follow what they do or did. Do you keep the 7th day sabbath? Do you keep Passover and the 7 Feasts Yahweh commanded? Do you eat as Yahshua did? That is just a few. If your answer is they are not important now so you do not do them.. Then you insult the Spirit of Grace and the Holy Spirit will not live in an Unclean Temple. Yahshua was hated for what he said and taught because the people enjoyed the customs of man more than The Commandments of Yahweh? Shalom...Miles This post prompts me to ask you this Miles: Do you believe that the writings of Paul, Peter, and John are inspirational and representative of the commands of Jesus? What is your position on New Testament inspiration? Even then they spoke of Pauls writing how unlearned men twisted his writings to thier own destruction. They were hard to be understood. I do not contradict anything the Apostles said. They kept the law period. Paul being a chosen Vessel by Yahshua on the road to Damascus and then in Galatians we read that it refers back to then that he went into Arabia to learn. For 3 years. Then we see in Acts 21 4 men who had a Vowel on them. The disciples were worried when they saw Paul. Why because people everywhere were saying he did not keep and teach the Law of Moses. Why would they say such a thing. Get your bible out and read it. Then read Numbers 6 about the Nazorite Vow. and The Law of how you finished your Vow. many people had Taken the Nazarite Vowel even while Yahshua was alive. He did not take it but his cousin John was under it. This will just be a simple point because chr-stianity has not been taught what THE LAW THAT WAS AGAINST US was.. That Yahshua nailed to the tree. What Law was it? Do you know? Yahweh did not make laws that was against us. Did he? In Acts 21 these 4 men Paul and this was more than 10 years after Yahshua's death and Ressurrection because Peters Vision was around 10 years after. Paul went into the temple paid thier fees so to speak. They all shaved thier Heads and offered sacrafices. Read Numbers 6 again and see what these sacrafices were. See you are taught that the sacraficial system could not be done after Yahshua's Death. But apperently it was. Is this the Law? Is this done away at that time? No. Yahshua told the Jews that he would Destroy this temple and raise it in 3 days. By the way tell me what day of the week Yahshua died? Because his ONLY sign he was the chosen Messiah is the sign of Jonah. It is hard to believe your scholars and preachers are delibertly teaching lies but it is Prophecy. Thier is a very deep connection to all this no wonder they said Paul taught against the law. But he did not and he proved it to them. This is when they accussed him of taking Greeks into the Temple because they had seen him with gentiles before. Now he was performing the duties of a PRIEST. Paul was well known and knew what he was talking about. Why do you think Yahshua chose him. His Zeal for the word. We are the Living Temple and the Holy Spirit will reside thier if it is clean. But notice Yahshua Told the JEWS he was going to destroy THIER TEMPLE. It was. And never has been rebuilt and it never will. A Temple built without hands is much more Glorious. That does not negate the fact the Temple stood for 30 years or so after Yahshua's death. How do you explain that by what Yahshua said? Can You? You learn what I just said and you will of learned more than all the training you have had all your life and the scriptures will be LIVING SCRIPTURES and not twisted ones. I have on me the same as Yahshua did when he started his earthly ministry in Luke 4:18. Read it and see what I am saying.He just quoted Isa 61 1-4. By you not knowing what was against us, lets satan to continue doing that law, it is to be.. You claim you are free. Free from what? You have made your own Laws and Rules to follow. Your own times of worship. Who is prophesied to do this and make his ministers out to be Angels of Light? The Lawless one. Who is he and how is he Lawless? We do not keep the law right? So what is prophisied will happen and has? he will change laws and Times. What does this mean. You see it is not hard if you will pull out your pride and really want to learn instead of going back 2000 years and saying this is the way our fathers did it ,it has to be right. What did Yahshua have to say about that? If you really want to learn I will guide you through here. Then the Holy Spirit when Yahweh see's a changed heart will teach you the rest as is also Prophesied. The Holy Spirit says do not think before hand what you are going to say for in that hour I will give them to you. Do you really believe that? The 70 remember what they were to do when Yahshua sent them out by two's. Read that closely it has to do with this very instant. Then look at Lot and see why he was Righteous. Think for yourself. You read this and think it is haywire but it is for those who are suppose to know to know. Can you understand now? Blessings...Miles I was never in a position of not understanding. What I said I wasn't clear on - is whether or not you believed that the New Testament writers were inspiried, making those texts as sacred as the Law - which I can see you hold in high esteem. Jesus did not come to abolish the law, but to fullfill it. While I perhaps do not view the law in quite the same way that you do (I will not be stoning any unruly children in the near future - not to say I think you will either) It is my belief that one is not saved by keeping the Law, because one cannot keep the Law. However - willful disobedience to the Law, even today - is going to bring about consequences. Which is why Paul says that the Law is a schoolmaster. But the Law only prophecizes the coming of Jesus. It does not instruct those who lived with it - what to do once the ultimate sacrifice had been made. Thus - we have the New Testament. Not that the New Testament contradics the Law - but it fullfils it, and in doing so - some of the Law no longer "applies". Obviously - the ten commandments will never be abandoned - but by merely keeping the Golden Rule, one need not be concerned about this. Ceremonial sacrifies for sin are no longer necessary - because Jesus was the final sacrifice for sin. There are numerous examples of what is written in the Law that can be seen to have moved into something different (not contradictory) due to the coming of Christ. These are pointed out by Paul all through his writings. Circumcision being an example of this. What has been lost is the oral traditions. They are no longer needed, and are not necessary for salvation. Which is the entire purpose of the Law to begin with. It is for man to understand rightiousness - and hold dear to it, not for man to be legalistic about it and lord it over others. Exactly what the pharacies had become. Legalists. The spirit of the Law was lost over the legalism of it. That is why it matters not what day one determines the Sabbath to be - just that they determine there is one, and keep it. It is irrelivant what day of the week Jesus died. What matters very much is that he did, and arose again - and lives today. It's like the issue with Christmas. What does it matter if it was December 25th - or July 4th. It isn't important. What is important is that the birth of the Savior is celebrated, and revered by all believers. That is all that is asked of from us. The Holy spirit will lead all true believers to what truth is to be revealed to them. For some - they need the discipline of the Law in their lives, and making it formost in their conscience. To others, this is not an issue. It comes naturally. Even unbelievers can keep the Law. But the Law is not there for the sake of keeping people from doing things - but to demonstrate the rightiousness of God, and that there is a standard to live up to, which man is not capable of maintaining - therefore they are in need of a Savior to be that rightiousness for them, because it is only through the Law that man is woefully aware of just how unrightious he is. You are no different than at the Time Yahshua's was on earth. Mark 7:6-8 6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 7 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men .' 8 For laying aside the commandment of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men — the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do." NKJV Now you said.. Quote... What has been lost is the oral traditions. They are no longer needed, and are not necessary for salvation. Which is the entire purpose of the Law to begin with. It is for man to understand rightiousness - and hold dear to it, not for man to be legalistic about it and lord it over others. Exactly what the pharacies had become. Legalists. The spirit of the Law was lost over the legalism of it. That is why it matters not what day one determines the Sabbath to be - just that they determine there is one, and keep it. It is irrelivant what day of the week Jesus died. What matters very much is that he did, and arose again - and lives today. It's like the issue with Christmas. What does it matter if it was December 25th - or July 4th. It isn't important. What is important is that the birth of the Savior is celebrated, and revered by all believers. That is all that is asked of from us. !st which commandments can we do and which do we not have to do? 2nd... It's like the issue with Christmas. What does it matter if it was December 25th - or July 4th. It isn't important. What is important is that the birth of the Savior is celebrated, and revered by all believers. Now what did Yahshua say and what does Scripture say your OT as you call it. Job 3:3 "May the day perish on which I was born , NKJV Job 8:8-9 8 "For inquire, please, of the former age, And consider the things discovered by their fathers; 9 For we were born yesterday, and know nothing, Because our days on earth are a shadow NKJV Jer 20:14-15 14 Cursed be the day in which I was born ! Let the day not be blessed in which my mother bore me! 15 Let the man be cursed Who brought news to my father, saying, "A male child has been born to you!" NKJV That's 2 saying let thier day be cursed. Lev 22:26-27 26 And Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying: 27 "When a bull or a sheep or a goat is born , it shall be seven days with its mother; and from the eighth day and thereafter it shall be accepted as an offering made by fire to Yahweh. NKJV That does not make since here .huh? Now here is a wierd thing that happened. The Law was given at mount Sinai. And they were commmanded to circumsize thier children. John 7:22-24 22 Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. 23 If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath? 24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." NKJV Now here Yahshua is upholding Circumcision of a new born babe. Why is it below none of the children below had been circumsized that entered the promice land? Did Yahweh tell Moses do not circumsize the children in the desert? Did he? Josh 5:5-6 5 For all the people who came out had been circumcised, but all the people born in the wilderness, on the way as they came out of Egypt, had not been circumcised. 6 For the children of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness, till all the people who were men of war, who came out of Egypt, were consumed, because they did not obey the voice of Yahweh — to whom Yahweh swore that He would not show them the land which Yahweh had sworn to their fathers that He would give us,"a land flowing with milk and honey." NKJV A promice. A heavenly land. Then here Joshua the son of Nun has everyone circumsized. Why did Moses and Yahweh allow this? Many people were put to death in the wilderness for disobedience. The Law.. The 7th and the 8th day. Why are they so important? Gen 17:9-14 10 This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised ; 11 and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised , every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant. 13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised , and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant." NKJV What? Everyone who is not circumcised in the flesh shall be cut off? What happened in the desert? Cut off have we heard those words before? Have we and are you a child of Abraham by Promice? What did they and we seek to enter? Is it not the Promiced land? Lev 12:3-4 3 And on the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised . 4 She shall then continue in the blood of her purification thirty-three days. She shall not touch any hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary until the days of her purification are fulfilled. NKJV Huh.. A woman gives birth and then she is basically told to stay away for 40 days? on the 8th day she circumcises her male child and then she is to be seperated. Sounds like a goat to me what do you say? Ex 34:26-28 26 "The first of the firstfruits of your land you shall bring to the house of Yahweh your Elohim. You shall not boil a young goat in its mother's milk." What a strange statement out of the Blue. Then what does Yahweh do? 27 Then Yahweh said to Moses, "Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel." 28 So he was there with Yahweh forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments. NKJV Wow and then thier is those 40 days again.. Strange stuff. But what is boiling a goat in it's mother's milk? And why wait? Lev 22:26-30 26 And Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying: 27 "When a bull or a sheep or a goat is born , it shall be seven days with its mother; and from the eighth day and thereafter it shall be accepted as an offering made by fire to Yahweh. 28 Whether it is a cow or ewe, do not kill both her and her young on the same day. 29 And when you offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving to Yahweh, offer it of your own free will. 30 On the same day it shall be eaten; you shall leave none of it until morning: I am Yahweh. NKJV Strange stuff.. What was Yahshua? John 1:35-36 Again, the next day, John stood with two of his disciples. 36 And looking at Yahshua as He walked, he said,"Behold the Lamb of Yahweh!" NKJV 1 Peter 1:17-21 17 And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; 18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you 21 who through Him believe in Elohim, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in Elohim. NKJV Thier is that Traditions of your fathers again. Yahshua a lamb with out Blimish. Now lets think about this again. What are we? Heb 2:10-18 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying: "I will declare Your name to My brethren; In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You." 13 And again: "I will put My trust in Him." And again: "Here am I and the children whom Yahweh has given Me." We are Yahshua's Children who Yahweh gave him. 14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to Yahweh, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted. NKJV Then again here is the Seed of Abraham mentioned. Are we not by seed, Children? Then those small few words. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted. What does this mean and why am I talking Crazy? Heb 8:7-12 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "Behold, the days are coming, says Yahweh, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah — 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says Yahweh. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their Elohim and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, 'Know Yahweh,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." NKJV Who was thier fault in? Now Abraham was mentioned above but Moses children are the rebellious ones who did not make it where? Where are we wanting to go. Now I understand that the world has been taught that the OT is just that old and we should not do it . We are under Grace. Yet things I am saying in which I am told over and over i do not have the Holy Spirit in me and try to justify myself by the law. I need to be born again. Born.. Yea that's it the celebration of birth. Huh. Did you see any celebration of birth in what I cut and pasted? Did you see any cursing about natural birth? Lets see what about Yahshua and the Law of Motherhood giving birth to a male child. Lev 12:3-4 3 And on the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised . 4 She shall then continue in the blood of her purification thirty-three days. She shall not touch any hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary until the days of her purification are fulfilled. NKJV Remember I spoke of 40 days of Purification from giving birth. 40 is a number many speculate about. A generation in the wilderness. ect ect. This Generation will not pass away. But what does Child Birth and circumcision have to do with us keeping the law today.. And mans traditions of thier father the DEVIL. He is the father of Lies right? Ok lets look at what Yahshua did when he was "born again" as i am not. Well at least that is what i am reminded of. What did he do? Matt 4:1-3 Then Yahshua was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, "If You are the Son of Yahweh, command that these stones become bread." NKJV Wait did we read earlier Yahshua was Tempted for our benefit and what did Yahweh give Yahshua? Was it not children? And if when he came up out of the Water and the Spirit Lighted on him did he not become a Parent to us? Wow then he went up for 40 days of Purification. Just as the LAW Described. Yet he is a male not a woman. Does not make no sence,huh? But we are his children. He went away for forty days. Now I asked you when was Yahshua killed. and you replied. Quote.. Legalists. The spirit of the Law was lost over the legalism of it. That is why it matters not what day one determines the Sabbath to be - just that they determine there is one, and keep it. It is irrelivant what day of the week Jesus died. What matters very much is that he did, and arose again - and lives today. It's like the issue with Christmas. Legalists.. Now what a key word in Christianity. Oh Legalists don't listen stay away.. bad oh so bad. You ever watch Church lady on SNL? I feel like church lady talking to Jimmy Swaggart. Did you ever see that episode? Oh Dana he is so good. Remember his favorite words or hers I guess? Convient how convient. just could not keep that little whipper snacker tucked away could we Jimmy? Oh how comedy speaks truth. Don't you agree? Oh sorry I got side tracked being a what was it again? Oh i was caught up being a Legalists. yea That's it Yea. Well I better get off this bunny trail and get back to purification. Yahshua went to be tempted as a Mother is seperated from her children for 40 days. Has anyone ever said this before that you know of? I wonder why? Then this seperation is spoken of after the Male Child has been circumcized. The 8th day. that brings be to all the things the Bible says that are done away and we should keep heathon customs instead. When did Yahshua die? When did he enter Jerusalem on a Donkey? And when did he present HIMSELF before the father because remember when Mary seen him he said he had not been Purified yet. remember that? Now here is a funny Bunny trail also. Matt 17:1-2 Now after six days Yahshua took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. NKJV After 6 days and what did Yahshua tell them about it? Matt 17:9 9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Yahshua commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead." NKJV Another funny Bunny Trail. After 7 days he said and what happens on the 8th Day? Now mary>> Luke 24:1-7 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. 3 Then they went in and did not find the body of Master Yahshua. 4 And it happened, as they were greatly perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in shining garments. 5 Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them, "Why do you seek the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen ! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, 7 saying, 'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.'" NKJV The sign of Jonah huh? remember that. The 1st day of the week equals what? The 8th day for a male child to be circumced. And do you Know Yahshua stood up and proclaimed on that Last great day of the Feast.. The 8th day.. Remember? John 7:37-39 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Yahshua stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Yahshua was not yet glorified. NKJV You can read about the 8th day or the Last Great Day of the Feast in Lev. 23. He had not been Glorified. I do not know about you but this 8th day circumcision is sounding Awfully important. A quick summary. 1 A animal is not to be sacraficed before the 8th day that has had a male child. 2 Do not boil a goat or sheep in it's mother's milk.. then the 10 commandments are given. 3 A mother is seperated after Circumsision of her male child who had been born. 4 Yahshua presented himself to the father on the 8th day of the week (1st). 5 Yahshua after the spirit lighted on him went away for 40 days. 6 Yahweh gave us as children to him. 7 We are told in the NT about being Abrahams seed who he was commanded to circumcize all the male children. Now How are are the People to prepare the lamb before Passover? Ex 12:1-6 Now Yahweh spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2 "This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. 3 Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: 'On the tenth of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb , according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. 4 And if the household is too small for the lamb , let him and his neighbor next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb . 5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. 6 Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight. NKJV The 10th day of the month you shall bring it into your household. according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. 4 And if the household is too small for the lamb , let him and his neighbor next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb . 5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. How does this relate to Yahshua?.. Matt 21:6-11 6 So the disciples went and did as Yahshua commanded them. 7 They brought the donkey and the colt, laid their clothes on them, and set Him on them. 8 And a very great multitude spread their clothes on the road; others cut down branches from the trees and spread them on the road. 9 Then the multitudes who went before and those who followed cried out, saying: "Hosanna to the Son of David! 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of Yahweh!' (who's name?) Hosanna in the highest!" 10 And when He had come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, "Who is this?" 11 So the multitudes said, "This is Yahshua, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee." NKJV Why the palm branches? Lev 23:39-43 39'Also on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep the feast of Yahweh for seven days; on the first day there shall be a sabbath-rest, and on the eighth day a sabbath-rest. 40 And you shall take for yourselves on . 41 You shall keep it as a feast to Yahweh for seven days in the year. It shall be a statute forever in your generations. You shall celebrate it in the seventh month. 42 You shall dwell in booths for seven days. All who are native Israelites shall dwell in booths, 43 that your generations may know that I made the children of Israel dwell in booths when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am Yahweh your Elohim.'" NKJV Again we see the 8th day. We also see we also see this is in the 7th month for 7 days. We see the first day the fruit of beautiful trees, branches of palm trees, the boughs of leafy trees, and willows of the brook; and you shall rejoice before Yahweh your Elohim for seven days. Palm branches just like that was spread on the Ground for Yahshua's DONKEY to walk on enter Jerusalem. What are we called? Tabernacles, we live in Booths. Our bodies. Why lay them on the ground? For a donkey to walk on? Why was it important Yahshua ride into Jerusalem? What did Yahshua tell the 70 about entering and leaving cities? Matt 10:11-15 11 "Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. 12 And when you go into a household, greet it. 13 If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. 15 Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city! NKJV Is Jerusalem Yahweh's City of Peace? Was Yahshua welcomed in? What did he do 1st thing after he got in thier on the 10th Day of the 1st month when a Lamb without Blemish is to enter your house to be with you untill you kill it 4 days later on the evening time of the 14th? Matt 21:9-16 Hosanna in the highest!" 10 And when He had come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, "Who is this?" 11 So the multitudes said, "This is Yahshua, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee." (Mark 11:15-19; Luke 19:45-48; John 2:13-22) Then Yahshua went into the temple of Elohim and drove out all those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 13 And He said to them, "It is written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer ,' but you have made it a 'den of thieves.'" 14 Then the blind and the lame came to Him in the temple, and He healed them. 15 But when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that He did, and the children crying out in the temple and saying, "Hosanna to the Son of David!" they were indignant 16 and said to Him, "Do You hear what these are saying?" And Yahshua said to them, "Yes. Have you never read, 'Out of the mouth of babes and nursing infants You have perfected praise'?" NKJV babes and nursing infants. My house shall be called a house of Prayer. Do you see yet that the law explains through Yahshua Mysteries? And yet it is done away for Heathon Customs. YAHWEH FORBID!!!!!!! To summerise as I know this is long and I could right a book about this. Prophecy is in all the things you claim are not important to observe.. That is how Yahweh teaches you. Through EXAMPLE!!! yahshua presented himself before the father with the sins of the world being the 8th day of the week being Circumcised in Heaven from his Death and was then Taken outside the city where the Dust of his feet was wiped off because they rejected him and his Peace did not on them' He prayed not for the world but for those who were his. His children just as a lamb for Passover is for the Household. You do a little homework and even I challenge you to prove what I have written is not the TRUTh of Yahweh's word. I challenge you to find anyone who understands what I just wrote anywhere on the web or any minister. Yahshua was Impaled on the 4th day of the week. The forth commandment because he gave us rest. man was not Made for the Sabbath but the sabbath for man. Yahshua HaMachYah.. HalleluYah For Yahweh's Holy Word. yahshua was impaled on a Wednsday. Put in the tomb at evening starting thursday. Counting Thursday, Friday saturaday at evening = 3 days the sign of Jonah. The only sign given he was who he is. That is why it matters. The world makes 3 days and 3 nights from friday evening to sunday and is the BIGGEST LIE SATAN HAS PUT ON YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE. Then he rose being a spotless babe circumcised into the Priesthood as Our High priest being the Judge who on The 8th day. The beginning of 8000 years that all the graves will be opened and he will judge them by what is written in the books by thier WORKS. No I am not born again I do not have the sprit us what alot say. I told you what I have on me and I will quote the scripture but it is not just me but all those who will stand up for the COMMANDMENTS OF YAHWEH Over the TRADITIONS of MEN. Luke 4:18-19 18 "The Spirit of Yahweh is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh. NKJV This is my Commission and I willingly accept it.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles Miles; You have a tendancy to quote scripture to support your pretext. I'm unable to make the stretch from you citing Jesus' birthday as Dec 25th to quoting Job. You can go on and on about what christians do about interpreting the Law - but that has nothing to do with the question I asked you. I've asked it twice now - this will be the last time. Do you believe the New Testament writers were divinely inspired? Let your yes mean yes and your no mean no. I need no further expounding. Once I've got an idea of your stance on that, I'll delve into the rest. |
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I think it might be "What would Jesus do" Yes, that is what it stands for. Eljah. The problem is chr-stianity preaches against what Yahshua did. So how can you claim to follow him when you say what he did was not our example? Shalom...Miles Christianity does not preach against what Jesus did... no matter how much you insist otherwise, Miles. Be Blessed Now.. For someone to be your example then you follow what they do or did. Do you keep the 7th day sabbath? Do you keep Passover and the 7 Feasts Yahweh commanded? Do you eat as Yahshua did? That is just a few. If your answer is they are not important now so you do not do them.. Then you insult the Spirit of Grace and the Holy Spirit will not live in an Unclean Temple. Yahshua was hated for what he said and taught because the people enjoyed the customs of man more than The Commandments of Yahweh? Shalom...Miles This post prompts me to ask you this Miles: Do you believe that the writings of Paul, Peter, and John are inspirational and representative of the commands of Jesus? What is your position on New Testament inspiration? Even then they spoke of Pauls writing how unlearned men twisted his writings to thier own destruction. They were hard to be understood. I do not contradict anything the Apostles said. They kept the law period. Paul being a chosen Vessel by Yahshua on the road to Damascus and then in Galatians we read that it refers back to then that he went into Arabia to learn. For 3 years. Then we see in Acts 21 4 men who had a Vowel on them. The disciples were worried when they saw Paul. Why because people everywhere were saying he did not keep and teach the Law of Moses. Why would they say such a thing. Get your bible out and read it. Then read Numbers 6 about the Nazorite Vow. and The Law of how you finished your Vow. many people had Taken the Nazarite Vowel even while Yahshua was alive. He did not take it but his cousin John was under it. This will just be a simple point because chr-stianity has not been taught what THE LAW THAT WAS AGAINST US was.. That Yahshua nailed to the tree. What Law was it? Do you know? Yahweh did not make laws that was against us. Did he? In Acts 21 these 4 men Paul and this was more than 10 years after Yahshua's death and Ressurrection because Peters Vision was around 10 years after. Paul went into the temple paid thier fees so to speak. They all shaved thier Heads and offered sacrafices. Read Numbers 6 again and see what these sacrafices were. See you are taught that the sacraficial system could not be done after Yahshua's Death. But apperently it was. Is this the Law? Is this done away at that time? No. Yahshua told the Jews that he would Destroy this temple and raise it in 3 days. By the way tell me what day of the week Yahshua died? Because his ONLY sign he was the chosen Messiah is the sign of Jonah. It is hard to believe your scholars and preachers are delibertly teaching lies but it is Prophecy. Thier is a very deep connection to all this no wonder they said Paul taught against the law. But he did not and he proved it to them. This is when they accussed him of taking Greeks into the Temple because they had seen him with gentiles before. Now he was performing the duties of a PRIEST. Paul was well known and knew what he was talking about. Why do you think Yahshua chose him. His Zeal for the word. We are the Living Temple and the Holy Spirit will reside thier if it is clean. But notice Yahshua Told the JEWS he was going to destroy THIER TEMPLE. It was. And never has been rebuilt and it never will. A Temple built without hands is much more Glorious. That does not negate the fact the Temple stood for 30 years or so after Yahshua's death. How do you explain that by what Yahshua said? Can You? You learn what I just said and you will of learned more than all the training you have had all your life and the scriptures will be LIVING SCRIPTURES and not twisted ones. I have on me the same as Yahshua did when he started his earthly ministry in Luke 4:18. Read it and see what I am saying.He just quoted Isa 61 1-4. By you not knowing what was against us, lets satan to continue doing that law, it is to be.. You claim you are free. Free from what? You have made your own Laws and Rules to follow. Your own times of worship. Who is prophesied to do this and make his ministers out to be Angels of Light? The Lawless one. Who is he and how is he Lawless? We do not keep the law right? So what is prophisied will happen and has? he will change laws and Times. What does this mean. You see it is not hard if you will pull out your pride and really want to learn instead of going back 2000 years and saying this is the way our fathers did it ,it has to be right. What did Yahshua have to say about that? If you really want to learn I will guide you through here. Then the Holy Spirit when Yahweh see's a changed heart will teach you the rest as is also Prophesied. The Holy Spirit says do not think before hand what you are going to say for in that hour I will give them to you. Do you really believe that? The 70 remember what they were to do when Yahshua sent them out by two's. Read that closely it has to do with this very instant. Then look at Lot and see why he was Righteous. Think for yourself. You read this and think it is haywire but it is for those who are suppose to know to know. Can you understand now? Blessings...Miles I was never in a position of not understanding. What I said I wasn't clear on - is whether or not you believed that the New Testament writers were inspiried, making those texts as sacred as the Law - which I can see you hold in high esteem. Jesus did not come to abolish the law, but to fullfill it. While I perhaps do not view the law in quite the same way that you do (I will not be stoning any unruly children in the near future - not to say I think you will either) It is my belief that one is not saved by keeping the Law, because one cannot keep the Law. However - willful disobedience to the Law, even today - is going to bring about consequences. Which is why Paul says that the Law is a schoolmaster. But the Law only prophecizes the coming of Jesus. It does not instruct those who lived with it - what to do once the ultimate sacrifice had been made. Thus - we have the New Testament. Not that the New Testament contradics the Law - but it fullfils it, and in doing so - some of the Law no longer "applies". Obviously - the ten commandments will never be abandoned - but by merely keeping the Golden Rule, one need not be concerned about this. Ceremonial sacrifies for sin are no longer necessary - because Jesus was the final sacrifice for sin. There are numerous examples of what is written in the Law that can be seen to have moved into something different (not contradictory) due to the coming of Christ. These are pointed out by Paul all through his writings. Circumcision being an example of this. What has been lost is the oral traditions. They are no longer needed, and are not necessary for salvation. Which is the entire purpose of the Law to begin with. It is for man to understand rightiousness - and hold dear to it, not for man to be legalistic about it and lord it over others. Exactly what the pharacies had become. Legalists. The spirit of the Law was lost over the legalism of it. That is why it matters not what day one determines the Sabbath to be - just that they determine there is one, and keep it. It is irrelivant what day of the week Jesus died. What matters very much is that he did, and arose again - and lives today. It's like the issue with Christmas. What does it matter if it was December 25th - or July 4th. It isn't important. What is important is that the birth of the Savior is celebrated, and revered by all believers. That is all that is asked of from us. The Holy spirit will lead all true believers to what truth is to be revealed to them. For some - they need the discipline of the Law in their lives, and making it formost in their conscience. To others, this is not an issue. It comes naturally. Even unbelievers can keep the Law. But the Law is not there for the sake of keeping people from doing things - but to demonstrate the rightiousness of God, and that there is a standard to live up to, which man is not capable of maintaining - therefore they are in need of a Savior to be that rightiousness for them, because it is only through the Law that man is woefully aware of just how unrightious he is. You are no different than at the Time Yahshua's was on earth. Mark 7:6-8 6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 7 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men .' 8 For laying aside the commandment of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men — the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do." NKJV Now you said.. Quote... What has been lost is the oral traditions. They are no longer needed, and are not necessary for salvation. Which is the entire purpose of the Law to begin with. It is for man to understand rightiousness - and hold dear to it, not for man to be legalistic about it and lord it over others. Exactly what the pharacies had become. Legalists. The spirit of the Law was lost over the legalism of it. That is why it matters not what day one determines the Sabbath to be - just that they determine there is one, and keep it. It is irrelivant what day of the week Jesus died. What matters very much is that he did, and arose again - and lives today. It's like the issue with Christmas. What does it matter if it was December 25th - or July 4th. It isn't important. What is important is that the birth of the Savior is celebrated, and revered by all believers. That is all that is asked of from us. !st which commandments can we do and which do we not have to do? 2nd... It's like the issue with Christmas. What does it matter if it was December 25th - or July 4th. It isn't important. What is important is that the birth of the Savior is celebrated, and revered by all believers. Now what did Yahshua say and what does Scripture say your OT as you call it. Job 3:3 "May the day perish on which I was born , NKJV Job 8:8-9 8 "For inquire, please, of the former age, And consider the things discovered by their fathers; 9 For we were born yesterday, and know nothing, Because our days on earth are a shadow NKJV Jer 20:14-15 14 Cursed be the day in which I was born ! Let the day not be blessed in which my mother bore me! 15 Let the man be cursed Who brought news to my father, saying, "A male child has been born to you!" NKJV That's 2 saying let thier day be cursed. Lev 22:26-27 26 And Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying: 27 "When a bull or a sheep or a goat is born , it shall be seven days with its mother; and from the eighth day and thereafter it shall be accepted as an offering made by fire to Yahweh. NKJV That does not make since here .huh? Now here is a wierd thing that happened. The Law was given at mount Sinai. And they were commmanded to circumsize thier children. John 7:22-24 22 Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. 23 If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath? 24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." NKJV Now here Yahshua is upholding Circumcision of a new born babe. Why is it below none of the children below had been circumsized that entered the promice land? Did Yahweh tell Moses do not circumsize the children in the desert? Did he? Josh 5:5-6 5 For all the people who came out had been circumcised, but all the people born in the wilderness, on the way as they came out of Egypt, had not been circumcised. 6 For the children of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness, till all the people who were men of war, who came out of Egypt, were consumed, because they did not obey the voice of Yahweh — to whom Yahweh swore that He would not show them the land which Yahweh had sworn to their fathers that He would give us,"a land flowing with milk and honey." NKJV A promice. A heavenly land. Then here Joshua the son of Nun has everyone circumsized. Why did Moses and Yahweh allow this? Many people were put to death in the wilderness for disobedience. The Law.. The 7th and the 8th day. Why are they so important? Gen 17:9-14 10 This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised ; 11 and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised , every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant. 13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised , and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant." NKJV What? Everyone who is not circumcised in the flesh shall be cut off? What happened in the desert? Cut off have we heard those words before? Have we and are you a child of Abraham by Promice? What did they and we seek to enter? Is it not the Promiced land? Lev 12:3-4 3 And on the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised . 4 She shall then continue in the blood of her purification thirty-three days. She shall not touch any hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary until the days of her purification are fulfilled. NKJV Huh.. A woman gives birth and then she is basically told to stay away for 40 days? on the 8th day she circumcises her male child and then she is to be seperated. Sounds like a goat to me what do you say? Ex 34:26-28 26 "The first of the firstfruits of your land you shall bring to the house of Yahweh your Elohim. You shall not boil a young goat in its mother's milk." What a strange statement out of the Blue. Then what does Yahweh do? 27 Then Yahweh said to Moses, "Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel." 28 So he was there with Yahweh forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments. NKJV Wow and then thier is those 40 days again.. Strange stuff. But what is boiling a goat in it's mother's milk? And why wait? Lev 22:26-30 26 And Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying: 27 "When a bull or a sheep or a goat is born , it shall be seven days with its mother; and from the eighth day and thereafter it shall be accepted as an offering made by fire to Yahweh. 28 Whether it is a cow or ewe, do not kill both her and her young on the same day. 29 And when you offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving to Yahweh, offer it of your own free will. 30 On the same day it shall be eaten; you shall leave none of it until morning: I am Yahweh. NKJV Strange stuff.. What was Yahshua? John 1:35-36 Again, the next day, John stood with two of his disciples. 36 And looking at Yahshua as He walked, he said,"Behold the Lamb of Yahweh!" NKJV 1 Peter 1:17-21 17 And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; 18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you 21 who through Him believe in Elohim, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in Elohim. NKJV Thier is that Traditions of your fathers again. Yahshua a lamb with out Blimish. Now lets think about this again. What are we? Heb 2:10-18 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying: "I will declare Your name to My brethren; In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You." 13 And again: "I will put My trust in Him." And again: "Here am I and the children whom Yahweh has given Me." We are Yahshua's Children who Yahweh gave him. 14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to Yahweh, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted. NKJV Then again here is the Seed of Abraham mentioned. Are we not by seed, Children? Then those small few words. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted. What does this mean and why am I talking Crazy? Heb 8:7-12 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "Behold, the days are coming, says Yahweh, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah — 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says Yahweh. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their Elohim and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, 'Know Yahweh,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." NKJV Who was thier fault in? Now Abraham was mentioned above but Moses children are the rebellious ones who did not make it where? Where are we wanting to go. Now I understand that the world has been taught that the OT is just that old and we should not do it . We are under Grace. Yet things I am saying in which I am told over and over i do not have the Holy Spirit in me and try to justify myself by the law. I need to be born again. Born.. Yea that's it the celebration of birth. Huh. Did you see any celebration of birth in what I cut and pasted? Did you see any cursing about natural birth? Lets see what about Yahshua and the Law of Motherhood giving birth to a male child. Lev 12:3-4 3 And on the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised . 4 She shall then continue in the blood of her purification thirty-three days. She shall not touch any hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary until the days of her purification are fulfilled. NKJV Remember I spoke of 40 days of Purification from giving birth. 40 is a number many speculate about. A generation in the wilderness. ect ect. This Generation will not pass away. But what does Child Birth and circumcision have to do with us keeping the law today.. And mans traditions of thier father the DEVIL. He is the father of Lies right? Ok lets look at what Yahshua did when he was "born again" as i am not. Well at least that is what i am reminded of. What did he do? Matt 4:1-3 Then Yahshua was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, "If You are the Son of Yahweh, command that these stones become bread." NKJV Wait did we read earlier Yahshua was Tempted for our benefit and what did Yahweh give Yahshua? Was it not children? And if when he came up out of the Water and the Spirit Lighted on him did he not become a Parent to us? Wow then he went up for 40 days of Purification. Just as the LAW Described. Yet he is a male not a woman. Does not make no sence,huh? But we are his children. He went away for forty days. Now I asked you when was Yahshua killed. and you replied. Quote.. Legalists. The spirit of the Law was lost over the legalism of it. That is why it matters not what day one determines the Sabbath to be - just that they determine there is one, and keep it. It is irrelivant what day of the week Jesus died. What matters very much is that he did, and arose again - and lives today. It's like the issue with Christmas. Legalists.. Now what a key word in Christianity. Oh Legalists don't listen stay away.. bad oh so bad. You ever watch Church lady on SNL? I feel like church lady talking to Jimmy Swaggart. Did you ever see that episode? Oh Dana he is so good. Remember his favorite words or hers I guess? Convient how convient. just could not keep that little whipper snacker tucked away could we Jimmy? Oh how comedy speaks truth. Don't you agree? Oh sorry I got side tracked being a what was it again? Oh i was caught up being a Legalists. yea That's it Yea. Well I better get off this bunny trail and get back to purification. Yahshua went to be tempted as a Mother is seperated from her children for 40 days. Has anyone ever said this before that you know of? I wonder why? Then this seperation is spoken of after the Male Child has been circumcized. The 8th day. that brings be to all the things the Bible says that are done away and we should keep heathon customs instead. When did Yahshua die? When did he enter Jerusalem on a Donkey? And when did he present HIMSELF before the father because remember when Mary seen him he said he had not been Purified yet. remember that? Now here is a funny Bunny trail also. Matt 17:1-2 Now after six days Yahshua took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. NKJV After 6 days and what did Yahshua tell them about it? Matt 17:9 9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Yahshua commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead." NKJV Another funny Bunny Trail. After 7 days he said and what happens on the 8th Day? Now mary>> Luke 24:1-7 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. 3 Then they went in and did not find the body of Master Yahshua. 4 And it happened, as they were greatly perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in shining garments. 5 Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them, "Why do you seek the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen ! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, 7 saying, 'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.'" NKJV The sign of Jonah huh? remember that. The 1st day of the week equals what? The 8th day for a male child to be circumced. And do you Know Yahshua stood up and proclaimed on that Last great day of the Feast.. The 8th day.. Remember? John 7:37-39 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Yahshua stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Yahshua was not yet glorified. NKJV You can read about the 8th day or the Last Great Day of the Feast in Lev. 23. He had not been Glorified. I do not know about you but this 8th day circumcision is sounding Awfully important. A quick summary. 1 A animal is not to be sacraficed before the 8th day that has had a male child. 2 Do not boil a goat or sheep in it's mother's milk.. then the 10 commandments are given. 3 A mother is seperated after Circumsision of her male child who had been born. 4 Yahshua presented himself to the father on the 8th day of the week (1st). 5 Yahshua after the spirit lighted on him went away for 40 days. 6 Yahweh gave us as children to him. 7 We are told in the NT about being Abrahams seed who he was commanded to circumcize all the male children. Now How are are the People to prepare the lamb before Passover? Ex 12:1-6 Now Yahweh spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2 "This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. 3 Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: 'On the tenth of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb , according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. 4 And if the household is too small for the lamb , let him and his neighbor next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb . 5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. 6 Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight. NKJV The 10th day of the month you shall bring it into your household. according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. 4 And if the household is too small for the lamb , let him and his neighbor next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb . 5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. How does this relate to Yahshua?.. Matt 21:6-11 6 So the disciples went and did as Yahshua commanded them. 7 They brought the donkey and the colt, laid their clothes on them, and set Him on them. 8 And a very great multitude spread their clothes on the road; others cut down branches from the trees and spread them on the road. 9 Then the multitudes who went before and those who followed cried out, saying: "Hosanna to the Son of David! 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of Yahweh!' (who's name?) Hosanna in the highest!" 10 And when He had come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, "Who is this?" 11 So the multitudes said, "This is Yahshua, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee." NKJV Why the palm branches? Lev 23:39-43 39'Also on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep the feast of Yahweh for seven days; on the first day there shall be a sabbath-rest, and on the eighth day a sabbath-rest. 40 And you shall take for yourselves on . 41 You shall keep it as a feast to Yahweh for seven days in the year. It shall be a statute forever in your generations. You shall celebrate it in the seventh month. 42 You shall dwell in booths for seven days. All who are native Israelites shall dwell in booths, 43 that your generations may know that I made the children of Israel dwell in booths when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am Yahweh your Elohim.'" NKJV Again we see the 8th day. We also see we also see this is in the 7th month for 7 days. We see the first day the fruit of beautiful trees, branches of palm trees, the boughs of leafy trees, and willows of the brook; and you shall rejoice before Yahweh your Elohim for seven days. Palm branches just like that was spread on the Ground for Yahshua's DONKEY to walk on enter Jerusalem. What are we called? Tabernacles, we live in Booths. Our bodies. Why lay them on the ground? For a donkey to walk on? Why was it important Yahshua ride into Jerusalem? What did Yahshua tell the 70 about entering and leaving cities? Matt 10:11-15 11 "Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. 12 And when you go into a household, greet it. 13 If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. 15 Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city! NKJV Is Jerusalem Yahweh's City of Peace? Was Yahshua welcomed in? What did he do 1st thing after he got in thier on the 10th Day of the 1st month when a Lamb without Blemish is to enter your house to be with you untill you kill it 4 days later on the evening time of the 14th? Matt 21:9-16 Hosanna in the highest!" 10 And when He had come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, "Who is this?" 11 So the multitudes said, "This is Yahshua, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee." (Mark 11:15-19; Luke 19:45-48; John 2:13-22) Then Yahshua went into the temple of Elohim and drove out all those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 13 And He said to them, "It is written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer ,' but you have made it a 'den of thieves.'" 14 Then the blind and the lame came to Him in the temple, and He healed them. 15 But when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that He did, and the children crying out in the temple and saying, "Hosanna to the Son of David!" they were indignant 16 and said to Him, "Do You hear what these are saying?" And Yahshua said to them, "Yes. Have you never read, 'Out of the mouth of babes and nursing infants You have perfected praise'?" NKJV babes and nursing infants. My house shall be called a house of Prayer. Do you see yet that the law explains through Yahshua Mysteries? And yet it is done away for Heathon Customs. YAHWEH FORBID!!!!!!! To summerise as I know this is long and I could right a book about this. Prophecy is in all the things you claim are not important to observe.. That is how Yahweh teaches you. Through EXAMPLE!!! yahshua presented himself before the father with the sins of the world being the 8th day of the week being Circumcised in Heaven from his Death and was then Taken outside the city where the Dust of his feet was wiped off because they rejected him and his Peace did not on them' He prayed not for the world but for those who were his. His children just as a lamb for Passover is for the Household. You do a little homework and even I challenge you to prove what I have written is not the TRUTh of Yahweh's word. I challenge you to find anyone who understands what I just wrote anywhere on the web or any minister. Yahshua was Impaled on the 4th day of the week. The forth commandment because he gave us rest. man was not Made for the Sabbath but the sabbath for man. Yahshua HaMachYah.. HalleluYah For Yahweh's Holy Word. yahshua was impaled on a Wednsday. Put in the tomb at evening starting thursday. Counting Thursday, Friday saturaday at evening = 3 days the sign of Jonah. The only sign given he was who he is. That is why it matters. The world makes 3 days and 3 nights from friday evening to sunday and is the BIGGEST LIE SATAN HAS PUT ON YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE. Then he rose being a spotless babe circumcised into the Priesthood as Our High priest being the Judge who on The 8th day. The beginning of 8000 years that all the graves will be opened and he will judge them by what is written in the books by thier WORKS. No I am not born again I do not have the sprit us what alot say. I told you what I have on me and I will quote the scripture but it is not just me but all those who will stand up for the COMMANDMENTS OF YAHWEH Over the TRADITIONS of MEN. Luke 4:18-19 18 "The Spirit of Yahweh is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh. NKJV This is my Commission and I willingly accept it.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles Miles; You have a tendancy to quote scripture to support your pretext. I'm unable to make the stretch from you citing Jesus' birthday as Dec 25th to quoting Job. You can go on and on about what christians do about interpreting the Law - but that has nothing to do with the question I asked you. I've asked it twice now - this will be the last time. Do you believe the New Testament writers were divinely inspired? Let your yes mean yes and your no mean no. I need no further expounding. Once I've got an idea of your stance on that, I'll delve into the rest. YES YES YES How Blind can you be. I quote them.. Why would I quote them If I did Not Believe what they have had Written through the Holy Spirit. You can not see I understand that. many prophecies about these days. It is amazing to me yet confirms his words even more.. Shalom...Miles |
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Thanks Krisma.
I always did wonder how you all did that.. Now i know.  Blessings of Shalom...Miles
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This is but one reason why they suspect he wasnt born on December 25th,
The temperature in the area of Bethlehem in December averages around 44 degrees Fahrenheit (7 degrees Celsius) but can drop to well below freezing, especially at night. Describing the weather there, Sara Ruhin, chief of the Israeli weather service, noted in a 1990 press release that the area has three months of frost: December with 29 F. [minus 1.6 C.]; January with 30 F. [minus 1.1 C.] and February with 32 F. [0 C.]. |
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YES YES YES How Blind can you be. I quote them.. Why would I quote them If I did Not Believe what they have had Written through the Holy Spirit. You can not see I understand that. many prophecies about these days. It is amazing to me yet confirms his words even more.. Shalom...Miles Thanx Miles. I just needed to know your position on this. As I'm sure you are quite aware - Krimsa and Abra both quote scripture, but I make no assumptions about their believing the passages they quote are inspired. They actually quote them in an attempt to prove they are not. So it's not a matter of blindness. I just as soon not presume you believe they're inspired unless you tell me so. I'll adress your lengthy post later - I have to go right now. |
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This is but one reason why they suspect he wasnt born on December 25th, The temperature in the area of Bethlehem in December averages around 44 degrees Fahrenheit (7 degrees Celsius) but can drop to well below freezing, especially at night. Describing the weather there, Sara Ruhin, chief of the Israeli weather service, noted in a 1990 press release that the area has three months of frost: December with 29 F. [minus 1.6 C.]; January with 30 F. [minus 1.1 C.] and February with 32 F. [0 C.]. I believe most know.. They just do not care.. They are content and they are going to stay that away. The truth of the scriptures they could care less.. Putting on a show is whats important.. No where in the Bible do you find celebrating a birthday a good thing. Yahshua's cousin had his head chopped off for Herod's nieces b-day. A persons death is mourned but yet reflected on and appreciated and if you believe then you know that all that waits them is Utopia. Blessings...Miles |
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Well for the record, I dont believe any of it is inspired. That really should not shock anyone. I generally will cite a passage and ask a question pertaining to the reason why someone might assume it is inspired.
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Well for the record, I dont believe any of it is inspired. That really should not shock anyone. I generally will cite a passage and ask a question pertaining to the reason why someone might assume it is inspired. Thats fair enough. Krisma. I can relate to people who believe like you more. You are honest about how you feel. You just put it out thier for all to see.. A open book. We all should be that away.. Blessings...Miles |
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Miles..since Eljay is able to explain scripture so well...
do you mind allowing him to also address , this misled belief of yours, about your thinking Jesus is Satan to you. Miles? (Cause , what you are believing, does not line up with scripture atall) , Miles. Hoping Eljay can better help you to understand ,that you are truly mistaken , in who you think Jesus is. Also Miles...we christians don't believe in doing away with the law... but some laws have changed... for instance , circumcision of the flesh is no longer neccessary, cause now it is become "circumcision of the heart", after we recieve Jesus as saviour. Also...the old jewish laws said one could not eat a certain way... that too was changed after Christ. In other words, it is not a COMMAND to have to eat a certain way anymore. This is what I mean by saying , that christians are NOT under the letter of the law, Miles.... but we keep God's commandments out of love...not because the law is commanding us to..... see what I am saying here? Also... sacrifice, for instance, is also done away with... because Jesus became the perfect sacrifice... and therefore, sacrifice is no longer needed. n fact, sacrifices have COMPLETELy been done away with ,among the jewish people(and is no longer practiced, as it was in the old testament). Also stoning is not practiced anymore. Again....We are not under law..but grace..but we keep the law out of love, as I have said before. When we christians love God as we do now, we obey God out of our Great Love for God... but we are just not under the "letter" of the law anymore. And Miles...we ALL still have to be saved, in order to get back to God..and that is thru acepting Jessu (Yeshua as yuo cal him)...and not by keeping the Law. Nothing wrong with keeping the law.....it is that, that won't get yuo saved. God loves People of every religion ... but people of every religion, can't get to God thru their religion.......or by keeping laws.... but only thru accepting the SAviour Jesus..the One sent for the whole world. Be Blessed Now, Miles. 
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So what you are saying is Yahweh made law that were bad laws. That when it talks about the letter it is talking about Yahweh being unperfect.
I understand why some blast you for what you say because you say Elohim is not perfect. If so then thier is no faith or creator. I will be more than happy to talk about why Satan had tricked society into worshipping him through his ministers of light. It need saying.. Publicly onthe open Wich Charles stanley or Chuck whatever or Dobbs would have me on thier show. They are scared to death of talking with my brethern who have never been to any schooling. Why is that? Because we have told them and they are afraid of thier incomes.. Imagine that? Shalom..Miles |
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Miles..I realize once more,
you completely missed what I was trying to share. Christians don't do away with the law! In fact.... Jesus came to FULFILL the law....and the prophets.... therefore ,Jesus is NOT the lawless one ,Miles...as you seem to believe he is. Miles... It states in Romans 10:9.... "If we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus , and MEAN it in our hearts, we shall be Saved." (btw, that is the ONLY kind of christian there is...... someone who has accepted Jesus Christ , and is therefore now SAVED .) Also Miles......Jesus said, "NO man comes to the Father but by me." Meaning..just keeping the law,Miles my friend, is not pleasing to God. Or, gonna get you saved. Accepting Jesus, God's Only Begotten Son , Who was Sent for the whole wide word... is the ONLY way to be Saved, Miles. And , THAT is what is pleasing to God, Miles.
NOT that God isn't pleased with your trying to keep the law.. but God is trying to say..hey Miles..." "I Love you..but Miles, you also need to accept my Son ,Jesus!" Then Miles..... Once saved...one is once more brought back into fellowship with God. And not ONLY brought back into relationship with God, but also into right standing with God. BUT... man can ONLY be in right standing with God..... by accepting and beleiving on Jesus only. Or Yeshua(Yahshua)as you say in Hebrew. Same Saviour. Be Blessed Now, Miles.
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