Not even the same, try again and also try to understand the topic at hand.

no and it is currently not legal.


JB stop taking my questions and making them into statements, it is ridiculous in the extreme. Can I not ask a question and have it only be a question? Can I not pose an issue without being an advocate for that issue? Can I not present a topic without having an opinion on that topic?

Do not use me as your straw man. DO NOT PROJECT OPINIONS ON ME!

Yes.

No and yes.

The greed of the sellers.

Sky, should there be any checks in place to curbed the greed of the sellers, or to make it easier to know facts about products?

I think it is very similar. And if there is a claim that peanut oil is good for you, which is true in nearly all cases, it becomes almost exactly the same. And if there is a claim that peanut oil can help in detoxifying you, which is also true in nearly all cases, then it becomes exactly the same.

But it is. It is happening right now. There are many drugs that cure nothing, but which are prescribed by doctors and are approved by the FDA. Not only do they not cure anything, but the “diseases” they are used to address have never even been proven to exist.

If one is truly interested in righting an injustice based on greed, I would recommend going after the multi-billion dollar profits of the drug companies’ and their psychiapriest bedmates, instead of the infinitesimal market share of the “New Agers”.

Name me a single drug not in litigation that has absolutely no effect for anyone.

I can already tell you, you will not find such a drug (because the lawyers are looking hard for one, and they are better at finding it then you and me), because regardless of what you think of the FDA, at least what goes through the FDA has some science (even if its bad science, which the lawyers love to find) behind it which cannot be said about many other products.

I am not an advocate for the FDA as it works now, it is ineffective, the idea that is the FDA is a good one and needs help.

I am not going after new agers . . . I posted this as a funny haha. Make claims all day long, that gives me something to do, and if the claim is outlandish enough it will make my day . . that is all.

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Health food is not the same as drugs, or medications. You are very wrong in making that parallel in regards to THIS conversation. Both you and JB have that problem, staying on track with the given conversation.

I think the sellers should be allowed to be as greedy as they wish and I think they should be held accountable for their actions. But I also think the buyers should be allowed to be as ignorant as they wish and I think they should be held accountable for their actions.

And I think the second half of your question points the answer to the first half.

Making it easier to know facts about products addresses the ignorance of the buyers. By making the buyers more aware of the facts, the greed of the sellers is automatically curtailed. This is the most secure way to curb greed – don’t give them any money in the first place. But if you start regulating it via the government, nothing at all really gets fixed. It just get’s spread around. The sellers are just as greedy and the buyers are just as ignorant. All that really happens is the profit now goes to the lawyers and bureaucrats.

Oh, and anyone who just happened to actually be benefitting from the product through the placebo effect, now loses all that benefit.

This is a silly comparison, but still I would like an answer.

So would I be barred from selling draino as a miracle cure to all disease if I provided a small print label to make clear when your dead you have no disease to worry about?

Alright. I misunderstood something somewhere along the line then.

What exactly is the given conversation?

As far as I undersand current law, yes you would be barred from doing that.

I know that and stated as much above, I was asking you if you felt that would be acceptable, you seem to be presenting an argument that no govnt institution should watch out for the people in this regard.

As long as both the buyer and the seller were willing to take complete responsibility and be accountable for their actions and the effects thereof, then I don’t see any reason to prohibit the two of them from making the exchange, no.

I think it is the abdication of personal responsibility that has given rise to the government institutions in the first place. If everyone accepted responsibility for their own actions, there would not even be any issue and thus no need for a government institution.

If is is currently "not legal," then can you name a drug that actually cures a disease and has no side effects?

Impossible to do since even a placebo sometimes has some effect for someone.

Better yet, you name a drug that actually cures a disease that has no side effects.

This topic has been quite entertaining for me to read through...





I think that this is an extremely near-sighted ignorantly dangerous way of thinking. Evidently people with mental disabilities were not in the frame of thought, were they? Or sick and elderly? Orphans? People of very low intelligence capabilities, etc.

Whose sense of ought would you care to use? No matter how convincingly sound a proposition is proven to be true, it can never be proven why it ought to be.



I suspect if most people who complained about government lived in a society without a government which does as well as the U.S. government does for it's citizens on a whole, they would not last long. Only the strong survive.

Would you?


On responsibility...

In order to be able to accept responsibility, one must first be capable of knowing better.

The fact of the matter is this: All people are not created equal.

Civilization requires that people are treated as equally as possible, which is not in the same way. Like it or not Sky, everyone cannot be responsible for things that they do not recognize as being irresponsible. Therefore, if we, as rational and reasonable humans, are to place a government in a position to protect and serve all citizens as equally as possible within our means, we must recognize that being created equal means with respect to the pursuit of happiness. Equal civil rights.



Someone has to be responsible and recognize things like what has just been stated...

Neuroscience will rid mankind of the fallacy of a "free" will when determining responsibility, while ensuring a more accurate definition and description based upon actuality instead of the idea of a ghost in the machine making choices...

Responsibility???? Puh-leeeeze!!!

Billy your opinions are obvious by the questions you ask.

Having government regulation of everything is a double edge sword. Too much is not good, and not enough can be chaos.

So the kinds of questions you ask require a yes or no answer to a question that is not that simple. It make it appear that you are in favor of government regulation of herbs and natural remedies.

I don't think the government should try to regulate anything that is natural and harmless, (an yet they try) but I am sure each case has to be considered on its own merits.

You can't just say yes, they should regulate it or no they should not.

This all sorta reminds me of Kevin Trudeau...



That guy is one hell of a salesman....

Takes creativesoul's name tag off the wrapped copy of 'Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About' ...


....back to mall I go ...

Well, then we disagree. I happen to think that taking (or giving) away our right to choose for ourselves is the epitome of “near-sighted ignorantly dangerous”.


I think I should be able to use my own “sense of ought” where it concerns me.

Then we’re not talking about the same thing when we use the word responsibility. To me, responsibility has nothing to do with good, bad, better or worse. It has to do with being willing to accept the consequences for your actions.

Well I fervently hope that that day never comes and that all those who would support such a goal fail utterly and completely. I think that convincing a person that they have no free will is probably the single most evil thing that could be done to them.

I imagine there will come a time when government is no longer needed. It will be a time when people will understand self responsibility and they will understand the consequences of their actions.

Government is good for a lot of things right now, but it has a lot of bureaucratic bullsh*t and red tape and corruption in it and it is getting worse.

There must be a balance between the utter control of the authority of government and personal freedom to choose things like how you want to treat an illness.

Many people believe that the government will save them in times of crisis. This is the furthest thing from the truth. The government is only capable of putting a bandaid on the problems that arise in society right now. They could never handle a major crisis. They would utterly fail.

Even with Hurricane Katrina they utterly failed. FEMA went in and tried to take control and in act martial law. They wanted to be the only agency in power so they disabled the communication towers of local law enforcement agencies.

When local law enforcement agencies found their towers had been disabled they repaired them and had to place guards at them to keep FEMA from disabling them again. Other counties were warned and they actually placed guards at their county lines to keep FEMA out.

FEMA is pure evil. They took people to that stadium and they would not allow them to leave and they did not bring them food or water and they would not allow citizens to enter the area and bring them any food and water. People were held prisoner there.

They were practicing Martial law. They were going from house to house taking people's guns away from them.

Now imagine if a real disaster occurred, like a giant eruption of Yellowstone national park volcano that would take out most of the United States. They would NOT come to save you. It would be every man for himself.

People feel safe thinking the government is taking care of them and of things. They place their faith in an agency that will not be there for them when it really counts.

If you really think so then you have been fooled. Kevin Trudeau is full of bull.