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Topic: why would a God have the "need" to create
funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 11/30/08 08:33 AM
funch: "Tribo" everyone supposely have an immortal spirit... humans, angels Nephilm etc. ...humans and Nephilms were killed in the flesh ...so how do you kill an angel that has no flesh ...you "unmake" them ...and that is what God did to the fallen ones that he kicked out of Heaven show me where he "unmade" the fallen angels? it say's he cast them out of heaven, jesus said he saw satan fall from heaven - so wheres the "unmaking" your speaking of? Why is satan called the "god" of "this world"? if they could be "unmade" why didn't god do or say so? you can't detroy matter - god knows that - therefore the most he could do is was not allow them in his presence anymore. - thus the "expulsion". The "nephelim" were the offspring of the fallen angels and humans - thet were flesh and blood, therefore killed in the flood supposedly. But not the angels themselves. "Tribo" once God kicked the angels out of Heaven they were no longer angels only spirits they were therefore "unmade" either way killed or unmade or whatever...the point is that they are no longer in Heaven and will need to be replaced for the war with Jesus

martymark Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 1105	Sun 11/30/08 08:35 AM
funch: "Tribo" everyone supposely have an immortal spirit... humans, angels Nephilm etc. ...humans and Nephilms were killed in the flesh ...so how do you kill an angel that has no flesh ...you "unmake" them ...and that is what God did to the fallen ones that he kicked out of Heaven show me where he "unmade" the fallen angels? it say's he cast them out of heaven, jesus said he saw satan fall from heaven - so wheres the "unmaking" your speaking of? Why is satan called the "god" of "this world"? if they could be "unmade" why didn't god do or say so? you can't detroy matter - god knows that - therefore the most he could do is was not allow them in his presence anymore. - thus the "expulsion". The "nephelim" were the offspring of the fallen angels and humans - thet were flesh and blood, therefore killed in the flood supposedly. But not the angels themselves. "Tribo" once God kicked the angels out of Heaven they were no longer angels only spirits they were therefore "unmade" either way killed or unmade or whatever...the point is that they are no longer in Heaven and will need to be replaced for the war with Jesus war with jesus? would you expound a little?

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sun 11/30/08 09:04 AM Edited by tribo on Sun 11/30/08 09:06 AM
funch: "Tribo" everyone supposely have an immortal spirit... humans, angels Nephilm etc. ...humans and Nephilms were killed in the flesh ...so how do you kill an angel that has no flesh ...you "unmake" them ...and that is what God did to the fallen ones that he kicked out of Heaven show me where he "unmade" the fallen angels? it say's he cast them out of heaven, jesus said he saw satan fall from heaven - so wheres the "unmaking" your speaking of? Why is satan called the "god" of "this world"? if they could be "unmade" why didn't god do or say so? you can't detroy matter - god knows that - therefore the most he could do is was not allow them in his presence anymore. - thus the "expulsion". The "nephilim" were the offspring of the fallen angels and humans - thet were flesh and blood, therefore killed in the flood supposedly. But not the angels themselves. "Tribo" once God kicked the angels out of Heaven they were no longer angels only spirits they were therefore "unmade" either way killed or unmade or whatever...the point is that they are no longer in Heaven and will need to be replaced for the war with Jesus the war already took place funch, - AD 70 - read Josephus's account - the sky was filled with angels and chariots and the war was being fought in heaven among the principalities and powers - there is no future war.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 11/30/08 09:22 AM
funch: "Tribo" everyone supposely have an immortal spirit... humans, angels Nephilm etc. ...humans and Nephilms were killed in the flesh ...so how do you kill an angel that has no flesh ...you "unmake" them ...and that is what God did to the fallen ones that he kicked out of Heaven show me where he "unmade" the fallen angels? it say's he cast them out of heaven, jesus said he saw satan fall from heaven - so wheres the "unmaking" your speaking of? Why is satan called the "god" of "this world"? if they could be "unmade" why didn't god do or say so? you can't detroy matter - god knows that - therefore the most he could do is was not allow them in his presence anymore. - thus the "expulsion". The "nephelim" were the offspring of the fallen angels and humans - thet were flesh and blood, therefore killed in the flood supposedly. But not the angels themselves. "Tribo" once God kicked the angels out of Heaven they were no longer angels only spirits they were therefore "unmade" either way killed or unmade or whatever...the point is that they are no longer in Heaven and will need to be replaced for the war with Jesus war with jesus? would you expound a little? "martymark"...the philosophy of God and Jesus is in total conflict and will result in War

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 11/30/08 09:30 AM
funch: "Tribo" everyone supposely have an immortal spirit... humans, angels Nephilm etc. ...humans and Nephilms were killed in the flesh ...so how do you kill an angel that has no flesh ...you "unmake" them ...and that is what God did to the fallen ones that he kicked out of Heaven show me where he "unmade" the fallen angels? it say's he cast them out of heaven, jesus said he saw satan fall from heaven - so wheres the "unmaking" your speaking of? Why is satan called the "god" of "this world"? if they could be "unmade" why didn't god do or say so? you can't detroy matter - god knows that - therefore the most he could do is was not allow them in his presence anymore. - thus the "expulsion". The "nephilim" were the offspring of the fallen angels and humans - thet were flesh and blood, therefore killed in the flood supposedly. But not the angels themselves. "Tribo" once God kicked the angels out of Heaven they were no longer angels only spirits they were therefore "unmade" either way killed or unmade or whatever...the point is that they are no longer in Heaven and will need to be replaced for the war with Jesus the war already took place funch, - AD 70 - read Josephus's account - the sky was filled with angels and chariots and the war was being fought in heaven among the principalities and powers - there is no future war. "Tribo" ..how would a human know there will be no more Wars in Heaven... is Josephus omniscient?

martymark Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 1105	Sun 11/30/08 09:38 AM
Funches, this whole idea of conflict is the problem with the entire human race. There are people at work, very diligently I might add, to try and keep he general population at odds with themselves. There is only one reason they would do this. They have something to profit from it! I have never heard of this theory that God and Jesus are somehow at odds with each other. I would like to research it it if knew even a little bit of a place to start. I have not ever heard of any literature or studys on this though.

martymark Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 1105	Sun 11/30/08 09:41 AM
funch: "Tribo" everyone supposely have an immortal spirit... humans, angels Nephilm etc. ...humans and Nephilms were killed in the flesh ...so how do you kill an angel that has no flesh ...you "unmake" them ...and that is what God did to the fallen ones that he kicked out of Heaven show me where he "unmade" the fallen angels? it say's he cast them out of heaven, jesus said he saw satan fall from heaven - so wheres the "unmaking" your speaking of? Why is satan called the "god" of "this world"? if they could be "unmade" why didn't god do or say so? you can't detroy matter - god knows that - therefore the most he could do is was not allow them in his presence anymore. - thus the "expulsion". The "nephilim" were the offspring of the fallen angels and humans - thet were flesh and blood, therefore killed in the flood supposedly. But not the angels themselves. "Tribo" once God kicked the angels out of Heaven they were no longer angels only spirits they were therefore "unmade" either way killed or unmade or whatever...the point is that they are no longer in Heaven and will need to be replaced for the war with Jesus the war already took place funch, - AD 70 - read Josephus's account - the sky was filled with angels and chariots and the war was being fought in heaven among the principalities and powers - there is no future war. Ohh,, I see,, you think the word they used several thousand years ago,,"chariots" was what was actually in the sky. Let mey see if I can come up with an example of something to describe this,,,hm,,,I just did!

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 11/30/08 09:53 AM Edited by funches on Sun 11/30/08 09:54 AM
Funches, this whole idea of conflict is the problem with the entire human race. There are people at work, very diligently I might add, to try and keep he general population at odds with themselves. There is only one reason they would do this. They have something to profit from it! I have never heard of this theory that God and Jesus are somehow at odds with each other. I would like to research it it if knew even a little bit of a place to start. I have not ever heard of any literature or studys on this though. "MartyMark" ..anytime there are two people with two different beliefs or one person with two different beliefs it has no choice but to result in conflict ...but as you say that there are those in the society that purposely bring discord ..then explain how they could have learned how to do so if not from the creator ....the responsibilty for this rest in God's hand ...it God created an Ant to be an Ant ...then why complain when the Ant acts like an Ant

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 11/30/08 10:03 AM
I would like to research it it if knew even a little bit of a place to start. I have not ever heard of any literature or studys on this though. "MartyMark" I look for answers beyond the bible which is why I try to ask questions that can't be researched or found in biblical scriptures ..it encourage people to think for themselves and not rely on the "google cut and paste"

martymark Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 1105	Sun 11/30/08 10:06 AM
Funches, this whole idea of conflict is the problem with the entire human race. There are people at work, very diligently I might add, to try and keep he general population at odds with themselves. There is only one reason they would do this. They have something to profit from it! I have never heard of this theory that God and Jesus are somehow at odds with each other. I would like to research it it if knew even a little bit of a place to start. I have not ever heard of any literature or studys on this though. "MartyMark" ..anytime there are two people with two different beliefs or one person with two different beliefs it has no choice but to result in conflict ...but as you say that there are those in the society that purposely bring discord ..then explain how they could have learned how to do so if not from the creator ....the responsibilty for this rest in God's hand ...it God created an Ant to be an Ant ...then why complain when the Ant acts like an Ant They did not learn discord from God or the creator. It came in the form of decietfulness, a lesson taught by satan or evil while disguising itself as something pleasant, or by definition, a beast. it is extremely easy to willingly wear that mark, nowingly practice decitfulness to gain things of earthly value. money, food, sex, get the picture?

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sun 11/30/08 10:20 AM
funch: "Tribo" everyone supposely have an immortal spirit... humans, angels Nephilm etc. ...humans and Nephilms were killed in the flesh ...so how do you kill an angel that has no flesh ...you "unmake" them ...and that is what God did to the fallen ones that he kicked out of Heaven show me where he "unmade" the fallen angels? it say's he cast them out of heaven, jesus said he saw satan fall from heaven - so wheres the "unmaking" your speaking of? Why is satan called the "god" of "this world"? if they could be "unmade" why didn't god do or say so? you can't detroy matter - god knows that - therefore the most he could do is was not allow them in his presence anymore. - thus the "expulsion". The "nephilim" were the offspring of the fallen angels and humans - thet were flesh and blood, therefore killed in the flood supposedly. But not the angels themselves. "Tribo" once God kicked the angels out of Heaven they were no longer angels only spirits they were therefore "unmade" either way killed or unmade or whatever...the point is that they are no longer in Heaven and will need to be replaced for the war with Jesus the war already took place funch, - AD 70 - read Josephus's account - the sky was filled with angels and chariots and the war was being fought in heaven among the principalities and powers - there is no future war. "Tribo" ..how would a human know there will be no more Wars in Heaven... is Josephus omniscient? i didn't say there would be no more wars - i was talking of the war with jesus you mentioned, i assure you if i somehow were to end up there - there would be at least one more war!!

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 11/30/08 10:22 AM
They did not learn discord from God or the creator. It came in the form of decietfulness, a lesson taught by satan "MartyMark" so how did Satan learn this lesson of evil if not from his creator ...to commit evil is knowledge ..doesn't God controls all knowledge in the form of his "Divine Plan"

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 11/30/08 10:35 AM Edited by funches on Sun 11/30/08 10:36 AM
i didn't say there would be no more wars - i was talking of the war with jesus you mentioned, i assure you if i somehow were to end up there - there would be at least one more war!! "Tribo"...Josephus seeing fighting chariots in the sky probably explains why the roman empire fell ..surely the effects of drinking water from those Lead-lined aquaducts must have played a part either way his account/hallucination wouldn't ensure that there won't be another war with Jesus

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 11/30/08 10:40 AM Edited by funches on Sun 11/30/08 10:41 AM
i assure you if i somehow were to end up there - there would be at least one more war!! "Tribo" you mean a lobster war ...the kind they have at "Red Lobster"?

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sun 11/30/08 08:28 PM
i assure you if i somehow were to end up there - there would be at least one more war!! "Tribo" you mean a lobster war ...the kind they have at "Red Lobster"? ?? im not familiar with red lobster wars - what do they do take the claw bands off and let em duke it out? hahaha

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sun 11/30/08 08:30 PM
funch: "Tribo" everyone supposely have an immortal spirit... humans, angels Nephilm etc. ...humans and Nephilms were killed in the flesh ...so how do you kill an angel that has no flesh ...you "unmake" them ...and that is what God did to the fallen ones that he kicked out of Heaven show me where he "unmade" the fallen angels? it say's he cast them out of heaven, jesus said he saw satan fall from heaven - so wheres the "unmaking" your speaking of? Why is satan called the "god" of "this world"? if they could be "unmade" why didn't god do or say so? you can't detroy matter - god knows that - therefore the most he could do is was not allow them in his presence anymore. - thus the "expulsion". The "nephelim" were the offspring of the fallen angels and humans - thet were flesh and blood, therefore killed in the flood supposedly. But not the angels themselves. "Tribo" once God kicked the angels out of Heaven they were no longer angels only spirits they were therefore "unmade" either way killed or unmade or whatever...the point is that they are no longer in Heaven and will need to be replaced for the war with Jesus angels were always spirit from day one, but ike jesus they could take on a body, thats how they mated with earth women. but they are spirit always.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sun 11/30/08 08:32 PM
i didn't say there would be no more wars - i was talking of the war with jesus you mentioned, i assure you if i somehow were to end up there - there would be at least one more war!! "Tribo"...Josephus seeing fighting chariots in the sky probably explains why the roman empire fell ..surely the effects of drinking water from those Lead-lined aquaducts must have played a part either way his account/hallucination wouldn't ensure that there won't be another war with Jesus it insures there won't be another war for jesus here on earth - only one is talked of not many. if there is others after earth your correct i you or josephus would not know nor do i care.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 12/01/08 04:08 AM
funch: "Tribo" everyone supposely have an immortal spirit... humans, angels Nephilm etc. ...humans and Nephilms were killed in the flesh ...so how do you kill an angel that has no flesh ...you "unmake" them ...and that is what God did to the fallen ones that he kicked out of Heaven show me where he "unmade" the fallen angels? it say's he cast them out of heaven, jesus said he saw satan fall from heaven - so wheres the "unmaking" your speaking of? Why is satan called the "god" of "this world"? if they could be "unmade" why didn't god do or say so? you can't detroy matter - god knows that - therefore the most he could do is was not allow them in his presence anymore. - thus the "expulsion". The "nephelim" were the offspring of the fallen angels and humans - thet were flesh and blood, therefore killed in the flood supposedly. But not the angels themselves. "Tribo" once God kicked the angels out of Heaven they were no longer angels only spirits they were therefore "unmade" either way killed or unmade or whatever...the point is that they are no longer in Heaven and will need to be replaced for the war with Jesus angels were always spirit from day one, but ike jesus they could take on a body, thats how they mated with earth women. but they are spirit always. 'Tribo" wasn't everyone supposely a spirit from day one? ...some spirits were human and some were angels ...when humans die/killed don't the spirit supposely lives on but they are no longer human they become just spirit? ...the same with angels.. when the angels were kicked out of Heaven they were killed or "unmade" and they no longer exist as angels but their spirit lives on

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 12/01/08 05:04 AM
it insures there won't be another war for jesus here on earth - only one is talked of not many. . "Tribo" either you are now contradicting yourself or you must have realized your mistake ... because either "Josephus" made an accurate prophecy or he didn't ..and since according to "Revelations" Jesus will be there at armageddon which is supposely a war that will take place here on Earth either proves "Josephus" prophecy as being inaccurate or that "Revelations" is inaccurate ...so ...er... which is it?

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Mon 12/01/08 07:25 AM
funch: "Tribo" everyone supposely have an immortal spirit... humans, angels Nephilm etc. ...humans and Nephilms were killed in the flesh ...so how do you kill an angel that has no flesh ...you "unmake" them ...and that is what God did to the fallen ones that he kicked out of Heaven show me where he "unmade" the fallen angels? it say's he cast them out of heaven, jesus said he saw satan fall from heaven - so wheres the "unmaking" your speaking of? Why is satan called the "god" of "this world"? if they could be "unmade" why didn't god do or say so? you can't detroy matter - god knows that - therefore the most he could do is was not allow them in his presence anymore. - thus the "expulsion". The "nephelim" were the offspring of the fallen angels and humans - thet were flesh and blood, therefore killed in the flood supposedly. But not the angels themselves. "Tribo" once God kicked the angels out of Heaven they were no longer angels only spirits they were therefore "unmade" either way killed or unmade or whatever...the point is that they are no longer in Heaven and will need to be replaced for the war with Jesus angels were always spirit from day one, but ike jesus they could take on a body, thats how they mated with earth women. but they are spirit always. 'Tribo" wasn't everyone supposely a spirit from day one? ...some spirits were human and some were angels ...when humans die/killed don't the spirit supposely lives on but they are no longer human they become just spirit? ...the same with angels.. when the angels were kicked out of Heaven they were killed or "unmade" and they no longer exist as angels but their spirit lives on ?? funch point me to where it states angels were killed???