The point Im making Funch is that the power to create life has been the domain of the female since the beginning of time at least from the perspective of evolutionary biology. That is not just human females but all female mammals.

So on the surface at least, the concept of one male deity that can now give birth to creation is a bit absurd. A female Goddess image would have made more sense in that capacity and it in fact did which is part of the reason why the Pagans were not at all comfortable with the early spread of Christianity

The Catholic church was forced to emphasize Mary as the Goddess in order to get people on board with this.

The same thing occurred with the Goddess Brigid in Ireland. She had to be sainted.

This is not a question of human reproduction as much as what sits right with people and feels natural and what seems strange and agenda driven. The rest is history.

"Krisma" no matter what the belief of how life started whether God or evolution all points to life beginning asexually then evolving into male and female

God is described as being an Ameoba that created lesser life through asexual division

Evolution is described as bacteria spliting asexuality

that women are the cause of birth is just pagan dogma

Whether you choose to believe in the Christian male deity or biological evolution, birth still remains the domain of the female. Asexual division only gave rise to more complicated reproductive capabilities of mammals. The cells that result from the reproductive division of one cell during mitosis or meiosis are appropriately referred to as "daughter cells."

So the fact that female animals and humans give birth is "just Pagan dogma"

Why would a "god" need to create. If by the term god you mean a sentient being who is all powerful and exists forever... i would have to forever is a long time to spend and all likelyhood He/She/Them or It would probably get bored and need something laugh about....

"Krimsa" asexuality gave rise to the female reproductive organs and "asexual cloning" will make them obsolete

the female reproduction organs could have been use to rise women to power but this era will soon pass..religion evolution and technology has always remained in the way

Whatever that means?

"Maikuru" ..a God that gets bored can only get bored if the God is bored with itself

as you said women were giving birth and therefore had access to the children the majority of the time and could have rose to power through teachings ...but instead of teaching the children how to be "just" ..religion was teaching the children that women are subservant

When you become immortal, let me know how well that"one can only become bored with itself." concept works out. As a Taoist i try not lend myself to knowing what i do not yet understand. One must first ask, receieve the answer, meditate upon it and then achieve understanding in order to trully know anything. But then again what one knows passes with the breeze....

Well lets put that theory to the test shall we?

You state that:



In fact, women did play the dominant role in the earliest forms of religion and spirituality. I can start dragging up all of that evidence if its required but you do understand that Paganism existed before Christianity and the concept of Monotheism correct?

Evolutionary biology would indicate that the female of the species has always been the driving force behind the survival and continuance of that particular species based on her ability to give birth and nurture young.

Technology and modern medicine has revealed that all life in fact begins as female and it is only the introduction of the steroid hormone androgen that will in fact initiate the development of the male genitalia.

I wish I could find anywhere that it says God needed to create anything, The only reference I have ever found is one that eludes to the fact that God created for his own enjoyment!

Thats probably true. Who is arguing that theory exactly? I thought even the Christians were kind of inline with that or no?

"Maikuru" it was you that said that maybe God would eventually get bored and "need" a laugh

wouldn't it be impossible to be bored unless one has first become bored with oneself ..

"Krimsa" all beliefs are paganism, some beliefs failed and some beliefs bloomed but as you see today they all lead to Male Domination ..women had the power of birth and sexuality and Man used religion to control both



the Male went to hunt and would return with food and this behavior would imprint upon the children how the male was the dominate and the woman the subserveant



all life begins as female? ..I heard that Bacteria trade genes but I never heard that Bacteria was Male or Female ...which means that life started off as asexual

"martymark" ..the reference is simple logic ...you can't perform a willful action without the need to perform that action ..therefore it God willfully creates then God has a need to do so ....

All beliefs are not Pagan. Im not sure I understand your thought process there. What else is new. The term "Pagan" was actually attributed to anyone who refused to give up their older religious beliefs and accept Jesus Christ and Christianity. Pagans in fact probably never referred to themselves as Pagan at all.

Paganism and Nature or Goddess focal religions have bloomed exponentially to the point that Wicca is now the 5th largest organized religion in the US today. Christianity made its way to the modern day because it utilized violence as a means of conversion. It is very difficult to argue politics or religion when someone is threatening to run you through with a sword.

So no, not ALL religions or spiritual path lead to Monotheism or an implied concept of "Male Superiority." In fact, most dont.



In fact, the little bit of food that males brought back from long hunting expeditions would generally make up less than 20% of early hominid diets. The women supplying the bulk of the food stores through hunting and gathering practices. Males, more often than not, would leave for long periods of time to chase wild game and would very often be killed. If they were not killed, they might run across another tribe and join them.

Women in the mean time, were left at home to gather food for themselves and infants. They stayed together in close groups with babies tied to their backs. They would also begin to communicate amongst one another and this would lead to the development of human speech. What do people do when they hold babies traditionally? "Gaga goo goo"? Does that sound familiar? Women essentially would be the initiators of human speech. The males, not so much. Is a lot of chatter conducive to successful hunting?



All life does begin as female. For a male embryo, at around the sixth week, the SRY gene, on the Y chromosome promotes a protein called the H-Y antigen. The effect of this is to bind to the DNA molecule itself, in a number of specific places, causing it to bend, in turn affecting the action of a number of genes.They also have the ability to produce testosterone and other androgens, along with a hormone called Mullerian Inhibiting Factor. The latter, as its name implies inhibits the further development of the female sexual features, which degenerate.

all the questions of WHY there is good and bad are disolved, when anything beseech itself, and ask self how "IT" would create infinite wisdom and knowing within any immortal thing, called a child of a infinite all knowing all powerful god not of mortal time........

the images of all man does, as his true thoughts, as perfect, show the true image of a perfect god, within each human flesh.......

all spiritual beliefs are paganistic cults until the government of which the belief is practice say otherwise

also Wicca is a Pagan belief and just part of the new age movement and doesn't place women in power it's just an outlet for women that feel necessary to feel enpowered



it doesn't make a different the Male was still regarded as being the dominate one



"Krimsa" you have to go back farther than that ..life started with bacteria or one cell creatures or God which were neither male or female

don't you like to go back when things first started like you did with the founding fathers...so go back to the right time period ..when asexuality ruled the world

wow thats all wow thats wat this whole string is about he asked a question so y r u in it if u dont want an answer to that question or aren here to answer it ur here to argue an there is no point to that an no i dont use punctuation because i don WANT to

yea wouldnt u b that doesnt make it a need an the point i was getting at was not the needto eat it was the way in which u did it u can stay home an eat wat is already there or u can go buy something for variety God had jesus and the holy ghost but he still created us do u get wat im getting at an whatever her name is that was b!tchin jus because im educated does not mean that i believe it im jus sayin if u want the answers about god theyre there for u u jus have to read its not like im preaching to u i jus now the book hence educated