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I do not feel the need to prove my beliefs or my opinion. Heck, when it comes to funches I would be unable to prove that I'm not delusional, so what's the point in starting? 
"Invisible" that's the beauty of beliefs ...they need no proof ..you can believe in God the tooth fairy even the great pumpkin .."Happy Halloween" today everyone but once you start claiming belief to be fact and feel you need to provide no proof that it is.. then you are delusional You have a good point, but the part where you call someone "delusional" is only your opinion and you can't really prove that part Funches. You are only stating your opinion when you conclude they are delusional. It is not up to a delusional person to prove they are not delusional. They may think everyone else is. "JennieBean"...it's not up to anyone to prove someone is delusional or having delusions usually the delusional person does that themselves by claiming a fantasy or belief as a reality ..then to say they don't have to provide any proof is surely delusional the first rule of soceity is to consider that all it's citizens are insane and in need of protection from others and themselves ...so as long as you are not harming yourself or others the government allows a acceptable amount of delusion to take place.. you exist in life needing proof for practically whatever you do and then to claim that doesn't apply to something someone is claiming to be fact ...is delusional So you, funches, are in actual fact the most delusional of all, constantly asking for proof 
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You realize of course all of your above post is simply your opinion. You can have the opinion that anyone is delusional, and no on will stop you. Perhaps believing that you have proof of something is delusional since proof is a matter of belief. If you think you have proof, but no one believes you or your proof, then you are delusional to think you have proof. "JennieBean" I pretty sure you have identification to help prove who you are ... |
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So you, funches, are in actual fact the most delusional of all, constantly asking for proof
"Invisible" I'm pretty sure when you pay bills you want proof of how much you owe |
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So you, funches, are in actual fact the most delusional of all, constantly asking for proof
"Invisible" I'm pretty sure when you pay bills you want proof of how much you owe I have no bills with you to settle, neither you with me, so what are all these questions about prove this, that or the other? It doesn't work that way, you know? You take a little, you give a little, but you want to take all and give nothing. Why? Perhaps you have nothing to give? |
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So you, funches, are in actual fact the most delusional of all, constantly asking for proof
"Invisible" I'm pretty sure when you pay bills you want proof of how much you owe I have no bills with you to settle, neither you with me, so what are all these questions about prove this, that or the other? It doesn't work that way, you know? You take a little, you give a little, but you want to take all and give nothing. Why? Perhaps you have nothing to give? "Invisible" now you know you pay bills or go to the store and buy stuff and you want to have proof of what you owe or what something cost ...to say that you don't will only prove my point about you being delusional |
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So you, funches, are in actual fact the most delusional of all, constantly asking for proof
"Invisible" I'm pretty sure when you pay bills you want proof of how much you owe I have no bills with you to settle, neither you with me, so what are all these questions about prove this, that or the other? It doesn't work that way, you know? You take a little, you give a little, but you want to take all and give nothing. Why? Perhaps you have nothing to give? "Invisible" now you know you pay bills or go to the store and buy stuff and you want to have proof of what you owe or what something cost ...to say that you don't will only prove my point about you being delusional Why don't you prove then that you are not only here to patronize or put others down? That would be interesting for a change. |
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I realize that sometimes I annoy people with my statements of the nature of reality, perhaps because I state them as if they are facts. (I do this on purpose to annoy Tribo. )
For example: "This reality is a three dimensional reflection which is holographic in nature which is generated from a collective or "universal" mind." Of course I should have started that sentence with "I believe..blah blah blah.." or "..its my conclusion..or my opinion...blah blah blah... But usually I find that nobody cares what my opinions or conclusions are and I don't get enough attention when I do that. LOL So you will find me stating what I believe or what I am considering as truth as a fact more often than not. Then someone who disagrees wildly with me will ask for "proof," not because they intend to consider it, but because they want to discredit my bold and sometimes "ridiculous" statement. "The ruler of this galaxy is a draconian queen." I just want to say that I don't blame you for asking for proof. Not at all. I would do the very same. I am inclined to ask for proof when someone starts a sentence with: "God said....." Oh really? 
Or when people make unbelievable claims of miracles and give the credit to their God. Oh really? That's nice. (I just don't believe it.) Perhaps if I actually experienced a miracle myself I would believe it... but that is probably the only time I would. I may not disbelieve something but I may not believe it either. I might just remain neutral...and think, well I'm sure YOU believe it.. but I have my doubts. So ask for proof and keep asking. But keep an open mind. This is a very weird reality. JB well god told me [he likes to be called bucky]- that you were to provide me with "Proof" and if you didn't he would not believe in you. he says - "Show me where i created this holo-matrix you keep talking of or be condemned!!"  
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You realize of course all of your above post is simply your opinion. You can have the opinion that anyone is delusional, and no on will stop you. Perhaps believing that you have proof of something is delusional since proof is a matter of belief. If you think you have proof, but no one believes you or your proof, then you are delusional to think you have proof. "JennieBean" I pretty sure you have identification to help prove who you are ... I have identification that proves what my current legal name is in this life which is connected to my employment records and my credit records and my social security and tax records, etc etc.... And if that is who they believe I am and if they are satisfied that my proof is not a forgery, and if it all matches what they have on record, then they can call it "proof" of who I am to their personal satisfaction. But if my proof did not match up with their records and they did not believe my proof, I would be hard pressed to prove to them who I am to their satisfaction. In fact now days if your "proof" does not agree with their stupid computer records you are going to have a problem. Proof is a matter of belief. It always has been. |
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So you, funches, are in actual fact the most delusional of all, constantly asking for proof
"Invisible" I'm pretty sure when you pay bills you want proof of how much you owe I have no bills with you to settle, neither you with me, so what are all these questions about prove this, that or the other? It doesn't work that way, you know? You take a little, you give a little, but you want to take all and give nothing. Why? Perhaps you have nothing to give? "Invisible" now you know you pay bills or go to the store and buy stuff and you want to have proof of what you owe or what something cost ...to say that you don't will only prove my point about you being delusional Why don't you prove then that you are not only here to patronize or put others down? That would be interesting for a change. "Invisible" I merely asked you don't you ask for proof when you pay bills or buy something...your failure to answer shows you now understand the concept of asking for proof |
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You realize of course all of your above post is simply your opinion. You can have the opinion that anyone is delusional, and no on will stop you. Perhaps believing that you have proof of something is delusional since proof is a matter of belief. If you think you have proof, but no one believes you or your proof, then you are delusional to think you have proof. "JennieBean" I pretty sure you have identification to help prove who you are ... I have identification that proves what my current legal name is in this life which is connected to my employment records and my credit records and my social security and tax records, etc etc.... And if that is who they believe I am and if they are satisfied that my proof is not a forgery, and if it all matches what they have on record, then they can call it "proof" of who I am to their personal satisfaction. But if my proof did not match up with their records and they did not believe my proof, I would be hard pressed to prove to them who I am to their satisfaction. In fact now days if your "proof" does not agree with their stupid computer records you are going to have a problem. Proof is a matter of belief. It always has been. "JennieBean" the point is that when people have asked you for proof of who you are that you didn't give them a speech on how proof is a matter of belief ...you complied and gave them proof |
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You realize of course all of your above post is simply your opinion. You can have the opinion that anyone is delusional, and no on will stop you. Perhaps believing that you have proof of something is delusional since proof is a matter of belief. If you think you have proof, but no one believes you or your proof, then you are delusional to think you have proof. "JennieBean" I pretty sure you have identification to help prove who you are ... I have identification that proves what my current legal name is in this life which is connected to my employment records and my credit records and my social security and tax records, etc etc.... And if that is who they believe I am and if they are satisfied that my proof is not a forgery, and if it all matches what they have on record, then they can call it "proof" of who I am to their personal satisfaction. But if my proof did not match up with their records and they did not believe my proof, I would be hard pressed to prove to them who I am to their satisfaction. In fact now days if your "proof" does not agree with their stupid computer records you are going to have a problem. Proof is a matter of belief. It always has been. "JennieBean" the point is that when people have asked you for proof of who you are that you didn't give them a speech on how proof is a matter of belief ...you complied and gave them proof That is because they did not ask me for proof of who I am they simply asked me for my drivers license or birth certificate or social security card. My actual hospital birth certificate with my foot prints on it used to be enough to constitute "proof" for them, but it does not anymore. Now they require a copy of the record that is held by the state, recorded and notarized. Therefore what constitutes proof for them changed over the years. They no longer consider my hospital birth certificate to be proof enough for them. |
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Therefore what constitutes proof for them changed over the years. They no longer consider my hospital birth certificate to be proof enough for them. "JenniBean" the point is when they ask for proof you have no problem giving it to them |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 10/31/08 09:24 AM
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Therefore what constitutes proof for them changed over the years. They no longer consider my hospital birth certificate to be proof enough for them. "JenniBean" the point is when they ask for proof you have no problem giving it to them I have no problem giving them the documents they request. If they consider it "proof" and if they are satisfied that the documents are authentic then they are happy with it as proof. But if they will not accept the documents as valid, (as they did not accept my hospital birth certificate) then that is a problem with belief. They do not believe my hospital birth certificate is proof or valid enough. They require not proof of who I am or when and where I was born, they are really looking for proof that I am registered with THE STATE. |
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I agree with both Abracadabra (what is proof) and TelephoneMan (why do we desire proof).
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I have no problem giving them the documents they request. If they consider it "proof" and if they are satisfied that the documents are authentic then they are happy with it as proof. But if they will not accept the documents as valid, (as they did not accept my hospital birth certificate) then that is a problem with belief. They do not believe my hospital birth certificate is proof or valid enough. They require not proof of who I am or when and where I was born, they are really looking for proof that I am registered with THE STATE. "JennieBean" ..well aren't you proving my point...when you supplied your birth certificate as proof they said that proof was not sufficient enough so you have to go get more proof they didn't go out trying to get proof that you was you ...you have to obtain it to convince them either way...you provided proof |
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I have no problem giving them the documents they request. If they consider it "proof" and if they are satisfied that the documents are authentic then they are happy with it as proof. But if they will not accept the documents as valid, (as they did not accept my hospital birth certificate) then that is a problem with belief. They do not believe my hospital birth certificate is proof or valid enough. They require not proof of who I am or when and where I was born, they are really looking for proof that I am registered with THE STATE. "JennieBean" ..well aren't you proving my point...when you supplied your birth certificate as proof they said that proof was not sufficient enough so you have to go get more proof they didn't go out trying to get proof that you was you ...you have to obtain it to convince them either way...you provided proof I provided documents that they accepted as proof. I had no control over what they would accept or not. That was up to them. They are the ones who decided that the documents were acceptable as "proof" not me. I thought that my hospital birth certificate was proof enough of my given name, my birth etc. but they did not accept that as proof that I was who I said I was. My point being is that Proof is a MATTER OF BELIEF. It is not the document itself. Now I think I made my point. |
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My point being is that Proof is a MATTER OF BELIEF. It is not the document itself. Now I think I made my point. "JennieBean"..if proof is a matter of belief then why did you provide any type of documents ..why couldn't you convince them and make them believe on your words alone.. you know that they required something more than just your say so and that is why you provided proof that was factual ..because just you saying you was you was not sufficient proof |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Fri 10/31/08 11:25 AM
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Proof is totally subjective. What you might consider proof, the next person would analyze and laugh in your face. "Proof" is the evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.
To me,"proof" indicates that someone has actually researched a premise and not just come up with what they personally perceive to be as credible evidence. If you believe in Draco bits, fine, more power to you. I will sit you down and give your ass a DNA test if you tell me you are an alien. Then we are on to something else. Proof is defined by the skeptic and that is what you are up against. Thats why we are important and keep the crap to a dull rumble. You need us and thats the job we perform |
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My point being is that Proof is a MATTER OF BELIEF. It is not the document itself. Now I think I made my point. "JennieBean"..if proof is a matter of belief then why did you provide any type of documents ..why couldn't you convince them and make them believe on your words alone.. you know that they required something more than just your say so and that is why you provided proof that was factual ..because just you saying you was you was not sufficient proof Because she has a different belief structure. they believe in their paper n puters. she believes in herself. they will never see her belief structure as a truth... No matter how many words are thrown at them... Just as you yourself will (or so it seems)never engagage in word based belief structures that are not based upon your own words. Or see there possible proofs... When one asks questions one must pause for a moment to receive the answere else one is not truely asking a question... Rather one is stating a position. |
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Because she has a different belief structure. they believe in their paper n puters. she believes in herself. they will never see her belief structure as a truth... No matter how many words are thrown at them... Just as you yourself will (or so it seems)never engagage in word based belief structures that are not based upon your own words. Or see there possible proofs... When one asks questions one must pause for a moment to receive the answere else one is not truely asking a question... Rather one is stating a position. "AdventureBegins" are you saying that "JennieBean" wouldn't ask for the same type of documents from someone else if she would place in the same situtation...to not do so is called negligence |
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